forums

Manny and his LSU lost to Troy in 2017 Pitch

No point in firing Enos with one game remaining unless there’s someone else on staff to promote to interim OC and call plays.

Fire Enos next Sunday over coffee, and make him pay for the coffee.
 
Advertisement
RedSquare said:
Ed O failed MISERABLY at Ole Miss. And that was with some pretty good cheating. Not as good as Alabama/LSU/Clemson, but still SEC respectable.

All of a sudden, he's at a school that is basically broke, but fortunately, has a win at all costs ethos when it comes to football and literally will spend themselves into bankruptcy, and cross any red line, just to protect the football program.

I guess that now magically has transformed him into a respected coach.

All right then.
Click to expand...
Has Ole Miss ever won anything? Perhaps Ed O learned his best role is as CEO and let the X/O guys call the game.
 
callme said:
I am highly skeptical of how Orgeron would be doing without the most expensive staff in CFB and I’ll leave it at that.

Keep in mind that at plenty of schools (not only Miami), the admin might force the head coach to keep underperforming assistants just because their buyouts are too expensive. Not all coaches have the option of being able to get their original hire wrong, and then correct it at mid season.

Plus LSU’s salaries prevent their good assistants from leaving for anything short of a Power 5 head coaching job. Orgeron isn’t at risk for losing his OC for, say, the head coaching job at Tulsa like Manny would be if he had hired a good OC.
Click to expand...
You could say the same for any coach with a great team and a very expensive staff.

Dabo struggled mightily before he started paying his assistants well also.
 
S.CarolinaCane said:
You could say the same for any coach with a great team and a very expensive staff.

Dabo struggled mightily before he started paying his assistants well also.
Click to expand...


Dabo’s staff isn’t paid anywhere in the same stratosphere as Orgeron’s staff is.
 
Cribby said:
I told a friend of mine after that game manny would use the LSU / Troy or Bama/ ULM example. He’s a politicians son.
Click to expand...


Bingo!! Dude is full of ****, it's all business. He's making some serious money right now, what do you think he's doing ..... milking it just like everyone else who doesn't give a fvck.

If this University was serious about winning, we wouldn't be in this mess right now, believe that. Just like the recruits, and they see it,
BUSINESS DECISIONS.
 
S.CarolinaCane said:
You sure about that
Click to expand...


LSU’s staff is the highest priced in CFB by a pretty wide margin.

Plus Clemson started paying their assistants big salaries as a result of Clemson winning. Same with Alabama and Saban. (Although Saban was highly paid from the beginning I don’t think his assistants were.)

LSU decided to give gargantuan staff salaries to a guy who was 3-21 in the SEC at a previous job.
 
Advertisement
callme said:
LSU’s staff is the highest priced in CFB by a pretty wide margin.

Plus Clemson started paying their assistants big salaries as a result of Clemson winning. Same with Alabama and Saban. (Although Saban was highly paid from the beginning I don’t think his assistants were.)

LSU decided to give gargantuan staff salaries to a guy who was 3-21 in the SEC at a previous job.
Click to expand...
look it up and then 'call me' lmao.
 
So what if LSU is paying a fortune for top assistants. Isn’t this what we wish Miami would do?
 
TemplarCane said:
Clemson DC Bret Venerables is the highest or second-highest paid DC in CFB.
Click to expand...

Aranda makes $2.5 million. Venables makes $2 million.

And I seriously doubt Venables was making $2 million (or even the equivalent adjusted for inflation) when Clemson hired him. The $2 million has been a reward for how well he has done at Clemson. On the other hand, Aranda was making $2.5 million when LSU hired him. Do you think Aranda would have chosen to work for a 3-21 SEC coach rather than a good but not great SEC coach like Richt if LSU hadn’t offered him $2.5 million?
 
callme said:
Aranda makes $2.5 million. Venables makes $2 million.

And I seriously doubt Venables was making $2 million (or even the equivalent adjusted for inflation) when Clemson hired him. The $2 million has been a reward for how well he has done at Clemson. On the other hand, Aranda was making $2.5 million when LSU hired him. Do you think Aranda would have chosen to work for a 3-21 SEC coach rather than a good but not great SEC coach like Richt if LSU hadn’t offered him $2.5 million?
Click to expand...
I’ve read $2.2M for Venables in 2018. I don’t know his salary when hired but he was a ‘splash hire’ from OU. In 2017 Venables was the second-highest paid assistant football coach in college football, receiving $1.7 million from Clemson. The only coach in this category receiving more money was Dave Aranda of LSU, who is paid $1.8 million.

But so what. Dabo wasn’t promoted from WR coach and given a salary increase to $9M. He earned it. Clemson also pays their co-OCs $1M each.

Clemson’s 2019 assistants salary is $7.4M
 
Lol That LSU team won 9 games playing in the toughest division in America. We are sitting at 6 in the worst division in America. They also drop bags and made the necessary changes. We all know Miami wont.

Also we've seen how far behind we are from LSU just last year. The gap has gotten even bigger since.
 
ThomasM said:
Until Manny realizes he is the real problem, nothing will change. Well, there are problems above him as well, but on the sidelines, he is the issue. Yes, he needs a better OC. No, getting a better OC will not fix the culture. That comes from the top. Ed O is respected and feared. Diaz is not. Ed O can go get a man to do his job, and the young men respond, because they buy in to what the head coach is doing. Our players are lacking discipline, and an OC, any OC, will have a hard time making chicken salad out of this chicken crap.
Click to expand...

Manny is a smart dude, short of him leaving (which i doubt he is willing to do at this juncture in his career, he will at least need to make changes to his assistants. Even getting experienced veterans as assistants may help. Getting Enos and Stroud on board were steps in that direction. Unfortunately he is learning the ropes and the AD is the one who f'd this up. He definitely needs to go.
 
Advertisement
Cane6 said:
Maybe Manny surprises us and fires Enos

But you are correct, the lack of accountability and scrutiny on Enos, whose offense is underperforming at every level, along with players transferring, is extremely alarming
Click to expand...


Again, let's see how it all shakes out.

This fan base goes up and down like a goddamned yo-yo and reacts in the moment like children.

A month ago at 3-4, everyone was freaking the f**k out. Three weeks later, after wins over Pittsburgh, Florida State and Louisville—an attitude that Miami had turned a corner, while sitting around weekly doing moron math about still winning the Coastal and wanting a piece of Alabama in the Orange Bowl at 8-4, if not getting a crack at Clemson. Now a loss to FIU and it's the program's lowest point in almost 100 years of football and everyone should've been fired this morning. Get a grip.

Enos is a bad fit and has to go. If Manny wisely pulls the trigger on that—great. Next step; finding quality replacement. Barry should go, as well—Enos' CMU buddy who only got the job for that reason—while Baker and the defensive crew will probably get spared, as Diaz can work with that side of the ball, attempting to bring them better up to speed.

If Diaz doesn't fired Enos / Barry—he's ultimately sealing his own fate.

Regardless, zero reason to scream about that every minute from November 23rd until weeks from now after bowl season when the dust would all settle.
 
ThomasM said:
You don't go into Alabama and whoop them unless your coach is respected by the players.
Click to expand...
Ed, while lots of colorful event in his history, has fantastic coaching bloodlines. Coachs with JJ and Dennis at Miami for two NCs and bunch of super 1st round draft picks. Then for Pete Carroll for another pair at USC. No reason to not respect him. Had we hired him away from LSU when we could have, we would probably be in much better shape than we are now. We wouldn't pay those huge salaries but Ed is not some smuck in the swamp. He has much better coaching stable associates than Manny or Mark.
 
moshated305 said:
Lol That LSU team won 9 games playing in the toughest division in America. We are sitting at 6 in the worst division in America. They also drop bags and made the necessary changes. We all know Miami wont.

Also we've seen how far behind we are from LSU just last year. The gap has gotten even bigger since.
Click to expand...

They "drop bags" because they have a loyal alumni base that pours an ***-load of money into that program on an annual basis.

Most Miami fans aren't alum and don't invest in the program any more than season tickets and a new polo every fall, if that. When the tough get going, these fans start shifting their focus to the HEAT or other local distractions.

The day Miami sees LSU alum type money pouring into this program, that's the day you see a second-rate program start to get run like a first-rate organization—not before.
 
ThomasM said:
You don't go into Alabama and whoop them unless your coach is respected by the players.
Click to expand...

Orgeron has admitted he coached all position at Ole Miss like a rah rah defensive line coach (which subsequently didn't work). He also admitted to those mistakes and learning a lot from it.

LSU may have more money than Ole Miss, but he has been pretty impressive in at least evaluating quickly with mistakes, keeping key coaching pieces, or identifying a bad *** up and comer like Brady to keep progressing the offense. He can't be a total idiot based on all these changes at LSU and based on the success they had last year and this year (and likely will continue to have).
 
Back
Top