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Make Your Argument: Ray Lewis as DC

Jaromir Jagr said:
Wanting Ray Lewis and Ken Dorsey to come back and coach the team isn't "thinking outside the box". Quite the contrary. More accurately, it's lazy fan talk.
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No one made the argument for every great or former player. That’s called over exaggerating what you are doing. No one said anything about Dorsey in this post, Peyton Manning was used as an offensive example lol. Him and Dorsey not the same. I’m sure poeple will argue that he didn’t call his own plays a lot of times as well despite players and teammates saying he did.
 
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cleverjdub said:
No one made the argument for every great or former player. That’s called over exaggerating what you are doing. No one said anything about Dorsey in this post, Peyton Manning was used as an offensive example lol. Him and Dorsey not the same. I’m sure poeple will argue that he didn’t call his own plays a lot of times as well despite players and teammates saying he did.
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Dorsey, Winston, Lewis.......they're all mentioned here non-stop. It's some weird phenomenon among Miami fans that we think former players.....with zero experience for the open position......would automatically kill it here.
 
htownkidd said:
Fair point.
This could be argued both ways all day honestly.

At the end of the day, I just think we should atleast see Ray get his feet wet and know for 100% certainty that he would be good at this before we hire him simply based off of what we THINK he would be good at. We aren't in any position to hire people and have them learn as they go right now. Yes it would give us a huge boost in recruiting, but we need coaches. This is all moot because I doubt Ray would want to leave the life he is living now to be a college football coach anyway, but fun to speculate.
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Just for the record I would approach Ed Reed 1st because he has shown interest in coaching. He is my splash hire in the dark. Ray is a pipe dream.
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
Dorsey, Winston, Lewis.......they're all mentioned here non-stop. It's some weird phenomenon among Miami fans that we think former players.....with zero experience for the open position......would automatically kill it here.
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Yeah people say all them names without giving any real thought to the big picture. You only do that kind of move of hiring a guy without experience for a legend who has cache and a real brand name. Like Ed or Ray who are all so cerebral enough for it to work from an X and O’s stand point.

Not saying Dorsey or etc wouldn’t work but from a national exposure level for recruiting and media Everyone recognizes Ed Reed and Ray Lewis, not so certain about Ken.

If you going to make a splash hire make a splash not a dip.
 
MainLineCane said:
What's to argue??

Ray as DC

It Makes no sense at all..

now is NOT the time for taking wild chances
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Or is it though? I’ve never been a proponent of gifting former players jobs bc they were great here, but the more I think about it, it could be the perfect time. If Richt won’t hire an OC he’ll be gone next year, two years tops and we won’t win anything anyway. So f*** it, why not experiment with it. See how recruits respond and see what they’ve got as X’s and O’s guys. At worst it’s a complete failure to match the offense and Richt is gone sooner
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
Or is it though? I’ve never been a proponent of gifting former players jobs bc they were great here, but the more I think about it, it could be the perfect time. If Richt won’t hire an OC he’ll be gone next year, two years tops and we won’t win anything anyway. So f*** it, why not experiment with it. See how recruits respond and see what they’ve got as X’s and O’s guys. At worst it’s a complete failure to match the offense and Richt is gone sooner
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It's a good move only if you don't want us to succeed. Because odds are without any experience it will be an epic failure.

But nothing is impossible just saying the odds of success with an inexperienced DC in a P5 conference are very low. That's why you don't see other schools taking wild chances
 
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Empirical Cane said:
My points being...

- "Experience" is often given far too much weight in terms of "good hire"
-- How many people have you come across in life that have said, "I've been doing this 20 years" only to leave you stunned at how bad they truly are?
-- All professions are littered with "experienced" gets who shortly turned into big job failures--they were welcomed into town with a parade only to be chased out of town by a mob a few years later
- Lewis would certain bring an instant cachet to not only the defense, but entire Miami program
- Not saying he should be THE HIRE, but if I were Richt, I wouldn't dismiss it...then again, I do believe a Lewis personality is too.big next to Richt
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The whole good player =/= good coach angle has already been covered but to blindly choose some guy with no experience simply because you feel experienced workers are somehow less capable is one of the dumbest things I've seen here. And a lot of stupid stuff gets posted here.

Consider a football team like a business. Your head coach is your owner/CEO. His coordinators are literally the second tier of command, so maybe call them "vice presidents". No business hires a vice president with zero experience. Well, at least no business that's successful. Inexperienced people start at the bottom. In this case, either a graduate assistant or at best, position coach. Is every experienced candidate a guarantee home run hire? Of course not but to say "experience is given far too much weight" is just nonsense.

There is literally ZERO reason to hire Ray Lewis to coach anyone at this level. He hasn't even coached a high school team.
 
Religious zealot ...would fit in with Richt

If any of the kids killed someone he could teach them how to turn witness and avoid serious jail time
 
Empirical Cane said:
Ray Lewis as DC:
Pros--
- One of greatest defensive on-the-field play callers in NFL history (far more important than being a great player)
- Tremendous motivational energy (like a JJ)
- Charismatic and relatable to players--appeared to be huge asset as player-coach on Ravens
- Translatable passion for Miami program
- Stated desire to have positive impact on young people (his own son's troubles notwithstanding)

Cons--
- Might have "too much" alpha behavior in him for Richt's liking
- Has never been DC (first time for everything...experience can be WAY overrated sometimes)
- Does he have drive to truly be a long term answer?
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Terrible.
 
former players could be good position coaches and names like Ray Lewis and ed reed would recruit the best defensive players in the country, however bringing someone in as a first time coach and letting them be the coordinator is not a good idea. Linebackers coach yes dc no.
 
Anyone want to make a compelling argument against a Ray Lewis hire?

I mean, with actual points and well thought discussion.

"Put down the crack pipe", "dumb", "it would be bad just cuz", although invaluable inputs, might not fully flesh out what you are trying to communicate.

Here's a thought, since we are all football junkies, someone start a thread makimg the case for [insert name here]
 
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And remember, a player like Ray Lewis was essentially the on-the-field Defensive Coordinator.

Again, that doesn't make him the hire Miami needs, but he has far more DC experience than some are giving credit.

As to Ed Reed, awesome player, not sure about his ability to communicate the points he needs.

Isn't he on the Bills staff now?
 
MainLineCane said:
It's a good move only if you don't want us to succeed. Because odds are without any experience it will be an epic failure.

But nothing is impossible just saying the odds of success with an inexperienced DC in a P5 conference are very low. That's why you don't see other schools taking wild chances
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I agree. I hate the idea. I was just saying there’s no better time than now to give it a shot. Worst case it fails miserably and we have a whole new staff in 2020, plus it shuts down the notion that it can work. Best case, it works and kids flock to play here.
 
cleverjdub said:
Yeah people say all them names without giving any real thought to the big picture. You only do that kind of move of hiring a guy without experience for a legend who has cache and a real brand name. Like Ed or Ray who are all so cerebral enough for it to work from an X and O’s stand point.

Not saying Dorsey or etc wouldn’t work but from a national exposure level for recruiting and media Everyone recognizes Ed Reed and Ray Lewis, not so certain about Ken.

If you going to make a splash hire make a splash not a dip.
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So you don't care if they can coach. You just want to make a splash.
 
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