Lyle

[Hufftwoseven]

The best part about having Lyle back is we really don't need him. He's at best 4th string and if he does indeed prove the hype was justified it's only a bonus.

Injuries happen. Best part in my opinion is that Fletcher is not selfish, he will be fine letting other RB’s get carries is we are winning. That will keep him rested for a playoff run.

 

[ShadowSpring]

@canesigep23 - Not saying you think this, but a lot of CIS posters still think Lyle can be RB1 at Miami. There's a pretty good sample size showing that's very unlikely.

It's not impossible. Lyle last year mostly got reps in games where our other RB's weren't doing much either. I still think his story is untold. His problem is Pringle who looks very impressive. Lyle has his work cut out for him to get any reps. For a smaller RB Pringe looked great running DUO right up the gut. Within a blink of an eye he manages to squeeze thru there and ends up with at least 5 yards.

 

[Combo]

It's not impossible. Lyle last year mostly got reps in games where our other RB's weren't doing much either. I still think his story is untold. His problem is Pringle who looks very impressive. Lyle has his work cut out for him to get any reps. For a smaller RB Pringe looked great running DUO right up the gut. Within a blink of an eye he manages to squeeze thru there and ends up with at least 5 yards.

Love Pringle's running style.

 

[ShadowSpring]

Love Pringle's running style.

for sure. I was watching the tape when he entered the portal and rep and rep is him just squeezing thru what looked like a pile

 

[bshaw28]

It's not impossible. Lyle last year mostly got reps in games where our other RB's weren't doing much either. I still think his story is untold. His problem is Pringle who looks very impressive. Lyle has his work cut out for him to get any reps. For a smaller RB Pringe looked great running DUO right up the gut. Within a blink of an eye he manages to squeeze thru there and ends up with at least 5 yards.

Not impossible - just very unlikely.

Lyle last year mostly got reps in games where our other RB's weren't doing much either.
Not true - Look at the 2 games Lyle started (ND & Syracuse) + SMU

Look at Lyle's 4 YPC Success Rate

Since Lyle is the 2nd Coming of Walton - I included Walton's stats.

Gonna be fun to see if Lyle can continue to pull of the same trick Walton did:

Be awful against any team with a pulse but STILL have people think you're good.

 

[Trav]

I think it goes without saying any hope/excitement about Lyle isn't really based on past results but potential. Clealry coaches see something there in that he got the first carries last season and despite a disappointing year coaches talked him into returning. I don't see how we can predict anyhting about how the rest of his career will unfold, but I'd love to see him contribute. By all accounts he has the raw ability and work ethic to be a stud.

 

[Combo]

I think it goes without saying any hope/excitement about Lyle isn't really based on past results but potential. Clealry coaches see something there in that he got the first carries last season and despite a disappointing year coaches talked him into returning. I don't see how we can predict anyhting about how the rest of his career will unfold, but I'd love to see him contribute. By all accounts he has the raw ability and work ethic to be a stud.

I think some of it is based on one recruiting site ranking him as the #1 back in the country (never mind that the others had him way lower - like in the 10-20 range).

Not saying that he can't be good, but from what I've seen in his first two years, he's the 4th best back on next year's team. That's not really a criticism. It's more that Fletch, Brown, and Pringle look really good.

 

[ShadowSpring]

Not impossible - just very unlikely.

Lyle last year mostly got reps in games where our other RB's weren't doing much either.
Not true - Look at the 2 games Lyle started (ND & Syracuse) + SMU

Look at Lyle's 4 YPC Success Rate

Since Lyle is the 2nd Coming of Walton - I included Walton's stats.

Gonna be fun to see if Lyle can continue to pull of the same trick Walton did:

Be awful against any team with a pulse but STILL have people think you're good.

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He got hurt on like his 2nd carry vs ND, and then played hurt. Also there was an enormous difference between the offense against Syracuse in the 1st half vs the 2nd half. Lyle played the 1st half and the offense was garbage. The Upshaw long screen pass happened right at the end of the 1st half that sparked the entire team into the playoffs. That was the key play of the entire season. Everything was different after that play. A couple plays later Beck got the trick TD pass, then on D the best player in CFB Keionte Scott with the pick6, and we were off. Pringle had a couple of good runs in the 2nd half and he rightly finished the game. I think Lyle had like 1 carry for 5 yards in the 2nd half. What I said was 100% correct. The running game when he played was pretty bad for all our RB's not just Lyle. Lyle is not nearly as bad as his stats seem. Like I said, his story has yet to be told. To me looks like he's got some talent, but he's very close now to being forgotten.

Here it is 5.32 with the score 0-0

 

[Silentobserver]

People keep saying this, but on it's face it is absurd. Why would we offer someone signficantly more in NIL than he is likely to get in the NFL at a low value high supply position...

If that were true it'd be dumb as **** by our staff. No other way to put it.

How many carries do you think he will get this year? He aint gunna be a workhorse most of the season. So why would he be paid like it.

NFL value doesn't equal college football value.

Ken Dorsey had more value on the Hurricanes than the NFL had for him as a player.

Fletcher is worth north of a million at Miami because he's a difference maker at the college level as well as a locker room/culture guy for the program. The NFL doesn't value RBs and intangibles (what Fletch offers Miami) means next to nothing in an NFL locker room coming from a perceived disposable position and one played by a rookie.

What Miami is willing to pay (based off their perceived value of an asset or commodity) means nothing in relation to how others view and value that same asset and commodity.

Fletcher is worth more to the Hurricanes than Fletcher does to the Detroit Lions. That doesn't mean the Hurricanes are dumb for paying Fletcher what they believe he's worth even if another organization (Detroit Lions in this case) doesn't view him with the same value.

 

[bshaw28]

He got hurt on like his 2nd carry vs ND, and then played hurt. Also there was an enormous difference between the offense against Syracuse in the 1st half vs the 2nd half. Lyle played the 1st half and the offense was garbage. The Upshaw long screen pass happened right at the end of the 1st half that sparked the entire team into the playoffs. That was the key play of the entire season. Everything was different after that play. A couple plays later Beck got the trick TD pass, then on D the best player in CFB Keionte Scott with the pick6, and we were off. Pringle had a couple of good runs in the 2nd half and he rightly finished the game. I think Lyle had like 1 carry for 5 yards in the 2nd half. What I said was 100% correct. The running game when he played was pretty bad for all our RB's not just Lyle. Lyle is not nearly as bad as his stats seem. Like I said, his story has yet to be told. To me looks like he's got some talent, but he's very close now to being forgotten.

Here it is 5.32 with the score 0-0

As I keep saying - your first 2 points sound completely legit until you look closer.

1) If Lyle was playing hurt during the Syracuse game:

I think we'd agree - Lyle shouldn't have started vs Syracuse if he was hurt, right?

In other words.....coaches sometimes make mistakes & start a player they shouldn't.

2) If there was an enormous difference between our 1st & 2nd Half Offense:

Why was Brown much better than Lyle in the 1st Half?

Why was Lyle just as bad in the 2nd Half as he was in the 1st?

 

[ShadowSpring]

As I keep saying - your first 2 points sound completely legit until you look closer.

1) If Lyle was playing hurt during the Syracuse game:

I think we'd agree - Lyle shouldn't have started vs Syracuse if he was hurt, right?

In other words.....coaches sometimes make mistakes & start a player they shouldn't.

2) If there was an enormous difference between our 1st & 2nd Half Offense:

Why was Brown much better than Lyle in the 1st Half?

Why was Lyle just as bad in the 2nd Half as he was in the 1st?

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My point is correct and you know it. You are trying to prove this wrong based on 7 total carries in an entire season lol? What? 7 carries in a whole season say my point was wrong? That's just statistical noise especially when Brown popped one for 13, otherwise also struggled. That's all you can come up with to show Lyle did poorly in games other RB's played well? Nonsense. Secondly I'm not sure these stats are correct as I saw Lyle get at least 1 carry for 5 yards in the 2nd half highlights I posted.

We scored 7 points on offense in the 1st half. LOL pretty sure it's logical to say the 2nd half offense was dramatically better.

Pringle should have started the Syracuse game.

Lyles carries pretty much completely were in games in which our other RB's didn't do anything either. He played in the middle of the year when the offense couldn't run it at all. FSU, Louisville, Stanford, SMU, and partly Syracuse. This statement is correct. The blocking was poor in those games, as was the playcalling. All I am saying is there's perhaps more to see from him before writing him off. If he was averaging 3 YPC in games our other RB's were getting 100 yards and killing it, this would clearly say he's trash and should leave. This is not the case.

The part I agree with here is we should consider Lyle similar to Allen. Based on production that's correct. He's gotta put it together and perform in games not practice.

 

[bshaw28]

My point is correct and you know it. You are trying to prove this wrong based on 7 total carries in an entire season lol? What? 7 carries in a whole season say my point was wrong? That's just statistical noise especially when Brown popped one for 13, otherwise also struggled. That's all you can come up with to show Lyle did poorly in games other RB's played well? Nonsense. Secondly I'm not sure these stats are correct as I saw Lyle get at least 1 carry for 5 yards in the 2nd half highlights I posted.

2025 Syracuse: You say I'm wrong, but maybe you're remembering differently:

You say Lyle had a 5 yd 2nd Half carry. Show me where & I'll agree I'm wrong.

The Box Score & Play-by-Play (and re-watching the game) show:

Lyle - longest run was 4 yds (his 1st run)
Lyle 2nd Half - 2 carries for 2 yds

Brown 1st Half - 8 & 13 yd runs
Pringle 3rd Quarter - 11 yd & 19 TD

We were better in the 2nd Half because Pringle played instead of Lyle

 

[bshaw28]

My point is correct and you know it. You are trying to prove this wrong based on 7 total carries in an entire season lol? What?

That's all you can come up with to show Lyle did poorly in games other RB's played well?

Lyles carries pretty much completely were in games in which our other RB's didn't do anything either. FSU, Louisville, Stanford, SMU, and partly Syracuse. This statement is correct.

Where I Agree with you:

2025 FSU & Louisville - all RB's looked bad
It's definitely possible I could be wrong about Lyle. I could be writing him off too early

Where I Disagree - I'm looking at all 12 games where Lyle got a 1st Half carry (not just Syracuse):

Lyle had a MONSTER game vs WF + a nice late run vs Stanford

10 of 12 games - Lyle avg under 4 ypc
8 of 12 games - Lyle avg 3.0 or less

Look at the Box Scores again. If you don't think other RB's were noticeably better than Lyle in at least 6 out of 12 games (IMO it's 8 or 9) let's continue debating. But seriously - look at the box scores first.

 

[San Amaro Dr]

Saw him working out with receivers in CJ Daniels' vlog. Speaks to his work ethic. Hopefully the new voice in the RB room helps him with his vision. On paper he's the most explosive guy in the room.

 

[ShadowSpring]

Where I Agree with you:

2025 FSU & Louisville - all RB's looked bad
It's definitely possible I could be wrong about Lyle. I could be writing him off too early

Where I Disagree - I'm looking at all 12 games where Lyle got a 1st Half carry (not just Syracuse):

Lyle had a MONSTER game vs WF + a nice late run vs Stanford

10 of 12 games - Lyle avg under 4 ypc
8 of 12 games - Lyle avg 3.0 or less

Look at the Box Scores again. If you don't think other RB's were noticeably better than Lyle in at least 6 out of 12 games (IMO it's 8 or 9) let's continue debating. But seriously - look at the box scores first.

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To me Fletcher was the one getting more yards even when the rest were pretty bad. Kinda makes sense as he's falling forward an extra yard or 2 most times.

Look I agree if you say Lyle isn't good. I was excited about him, but there's just simply not much in his production. You'd think that in 2 years we'd have already seen something if he were a starting caliber RB at Miami. So i guess we shall see if he gets any carries being basically 4th string.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Lyle better do something when he gets touches, I feel like he falls to easily. Even when he was working out with Toney and CJ he was almost falling and thats how he looks in games. His balance was elite in HS but in college it has became a weakness so far. To me he transfers after this season especially if we bringing in that elite 230lbs back. There may be multiple transfers from this group imo. Hope he proves me wrong

 

[Trav]

To me Fletcher was the one getting more yards even when the rest were pretty bad. Kinda makes sense as he's falling forward an extra yard or 2 most times.

Look I agree if you say Lyle isn't good. I was excited about him, but there's just simply not much in his production. You'd think that in 2 years we'd have already seen something if he were a starting caliber RB at Miami. So i guess we shall see if he gets any carries being basically 4th string.

I'll give him a mulligan since he was almost never healthy both years. Some guys can breakout if they get over the inmjury hump. But it's already a crowded room so it's do or die right now.

 

[Angry Ibis]

I'll give him a mulligan since he was almost never healthy both years. Some guys can breakout if they get over the inmjury hump. But it's already a crowded room so it's do or die right now.

Need less doghouse, more endzone. Been hearing he's the next thing for 3 offseasons. Time to show it.