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ShadowSpring said:
Avoid what collision? Lacy had time to pass the truck, get into the proper lane, and then come to a complete stop all before he got to the accident. He broke traffic laws way before getting to the scene. 2 full seconds.
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That doesn’t mean his reckless driving wasn’t the catalyst of the accident.
 
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ShadowSpring said:
Avoid what collision? Lacy had time to pass the truck, get into the proper lane, and then come to a complete stop all before he got to the accident. He broke traffic laws way before getting to the scene. 2 full seconds.
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The law felt different and now 2 people are dead. Ain't worth it.
 
Suhrthing said:
Lacy offing himself is a culmination of unfortunate events, not just the auto accident. F those cops IF they were trying to fabricate testimony or paint false narratives.
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Didn't want to sound insensitive but the bold is bottom line. Hayes situation is a lot worse & he's facing the music. The video posted cop seemed to be doing his job. Truck driver was singing like he was cutting a deal for less time.
 
L A M P said:
Semantics. Point is two deaths were avoidable.
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Also we already knew all of this last week. We knew he broke traffic laws passing a truck before he got to the scene. there is nothing new here except the blue brotherhood trying to protect itself.
 
Ory also showed police body camera footage of a post-crash interview between an officer and one of the drivers involved in the crash. In it, the officer can be heard asking the witness to include in his written report how hard he had to brake to avoid Lacy's Charger.


Ory said the details the officer was asking the driver to include in the report, specifically that the driver had to use the emergency brake to avoid Lacy's Charger, were not consistent with how the witness described the crash to the officer earlier, based on body camera footage.

The witness did not sign the post-crash statement mentioning emergency braking, Ory said.

Blue Brotherhood are not here to help you.
 
ShadowSpring said:
The green charger was not involved in the accident, nor did he cause the accident. His reckless driving was prior and behind the accident. Usually that means you are free to leave. Go watch the video of the cops telling witnesses to frame Lacy. That's educational and usually how this goes. Cops are trash, they sometimes start as good intentioned folks, but their training corrupts them quickly. Cops are less trained than hairdressers, and it shows.
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How are the cops telling the witnesses to frame Lacy. Soon as the cop gets out of the car the black dude is yelling about the green charger. Did the cop telepathically tell him and the others to say it was the green charger? What am I missing?
 
ShadowSpring said:
Ory also showed police body camera footage of a post-crash interview between an officer and one of the drivers involved in the crash. In it, the officer can be heard asking the witness to include in his written report how hard he had to brake to avoid Lacy's Charger.


Ory said the details the officer was asking the driver to include in the report, specifically that the driver had to use the emergency brake to avoid Lacy's Charger, were not consistent with how the witness described the crash to the officer earlier, based on body camera footage.

The witness did not sign the post-crash statement mentioning emergency braking, Ory said.

Blue Brotherhood are not here to help you.
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I find it really rich that you are so staunchly against the police but think that a lawyer is the standard of truth-telling lol.
 
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pyhooya said:
How are the cops telling the witnesses to frame Lacy. Soon as the cop gets out of the car the black dude is yelling about the green charger. Did the cop telepathically tell him and the others to say it was the green charger? What am I missing?
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he's not the only witness
 
Gold truck swerved right and slammed on the brakes to avoid the green charger. White Kia swerves left in to oncoming traffic to avoid gold truck and hits head on with another Kia. Green charger leaves without being in the accident. Gold truck left the scene of the accident. Seems to me just an unfortunate chain of events that 2 people lost their life over.
 
I will leave this here for those of you interested. But Kyrens lawyer gives a pretty good breakdown of the situation, with eveidence from the state. It is very compelling and if you use logic and facts there is now way he caused that accident. Did he break the law by passing and speeding, yes, but at not point was he ever involved in the accident. that took that man life. Unless the things he did, a football feild behind the accident, somehow caused the tailgating vehicle to swerve into oncoming traffic.


 
Without knowing anything about this situation but briefly watching the video, whether he was responsible for the sequence of events or not, my guess would be he wouldn't think he was. Watching the video, he's pretty far away from all this when it happens. Again, ignoring whether or not he actually caused the reactions down stream, I would bet he thought an accident had occurred in front of him unrelated to his actions.

The second thing is, if I'm understanding the situation, the car that noticed him went on his brakes and it was the car behind that car that swerved into the head on collision because they were driving too close? If that's the case then the tailgater has just as much guilt as Lacy in this situation. There's a reason tailgating is so dangerous and this is one of them.

Honestly, the entire thing seems like an unfortunate series of events where multiple people were driving poorly. I just don't think anyone's punishment should be severe in situations like this.

If the person is not tailgating the truck then Lacy's actions alone do not cause the death of this person. It's the illegal actions of both Lacy and the tailgater together that cause the situation.
 
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ShadowSpring said:
The green charger was not involved in the accident, nor did he cause the accident. His reckless driving was prior and behind the accident. Usually that means you are free to leave. Go watch the video of the cops telling witnesses to frame Lacy. That's educational and usually how this goes. Cops are trash, they sometimes start as good intentioned folks, but their training corrupts them quickly. Cops are less trained than hairdressers, and it shows.
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👆You might want to edit your porst.

Isn't the allegation the green charger, clearly driving in on coming traffic, forced the other vehicles in their proper lane of travel to swerve and cause an overall accident?

The video statement by the truck driver seems damning.

Now, this doesn't absolve the police of misdeeds for sure, but the driver of the green charger has some explaining to do.
 
I'm moving this thread over to Off-Topic for obvious reasons, but leaving it open...for now. Y'all have been behaving yourselves so far, but if the discourse starts to get out of hand, I will not hesitate to lock it and give any and all offending parties a warning point.

Govern yourselves accordingly.
 
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caneingville said:
I'm moving this thread over to Off-Topic for obvious reasons, but leaving it open...for now. Y'all have been behaving yourselves so far, but if the discourse starts to get out of hand, I will not hesitate to lock it and give any and all offending parties a warning point.

Govern yourselves accordingly.
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ShadowSpring said:
Ory also showed police body camera footage of a post-crash interview between an officer and one of the drivers involved in the crash. In it, the officer can be heard asking the witness to include in his written report how hard he had to brake to avoid Lacy's Charger.


Ory said the details the officer was asking the driver to include in the report, specifically that the driver had to use the emergency brake to avoid Lacy's Charger, were not consistent with how the witness described the crash to the officer earlier, based on body camera footage.

The witness did not sign the post-crash statement mentioning emergency braking, Ory said.

Blue Brotherhood are not here to help you.
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I felt compelled to reply simply to ask that you try to not include ALL cops in your sentiments. I don't know you; you don't know me. I'm not trying to change your opinion and I'm certainly not trying to argue with you. I simply ask that you try to be open minded to the idea that some cops are actually decent people. I have some family members who are cops - and we break their eggs about it - but they're decent people who are trying to make a living and help society as a whole. They are not perfect. They are also not racist pigs looking to lock up anyone who is not white. Again, the other side of the chat regarding the Blue Brotherhood is legitimate and I recognize that. Simply asking politely and respectfuly that you try to keep that open mind that some cops might be ok people just doing a job.

We need to be respectful, but also need to remember they are not our friends.

If my message made you mad, that wasn't my point. If you feel the need to hurl an insult at me in return since I poked my nose in on this, please at least make it funny. I could use a laugh, even if it's at my expense.
 
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