Louisville vs Miami TALENT on paper

[OldManCane]

Well the difference is...

We're Miami, they're Louisville. Our school is in the richest talent pool in America. We should have a high number of draftees every season. You don't get credit for your "talent evaluations" when you send kids to the NFL from Miami. Just by default you should be sending a decent amount of kids every year.

What's obvious to me is...

Louisville are true talent evaluators. They're the type of school that comes to South Florida and takes kids that Golden doesn't want because they're "too small" or whatever. They recruit Miami's leftovers and are still sending just as many kids to the NFL. To me that sounds like great talent evaluation and development.

I don't think you're giving credit where credit is due. We have the THIRD MOST projected draft picks in the entire country. Nobody's arguing that Louisville were great talent evaluators. Whether that continues with a new coaching staff is anyone's guess.

But I think that to say Miami gets no credit for talent evaluations is unfair. No credit for Olsen Pierre? That kid was found by Golden while at Temple, and now looks to join Muhammed Wilkerson and Terrance Knighton as under-the-radar guys he and Jethro found who were drafted by the NFL.

What about Erek Flowers? He was committed to us long before he blew up nationally, I would call that a great evaluation.

Or Ladaruis Gunter? Here's a two star JUCO kid out of Alabama that that Nick Saban didn't offer, but now he's projected as a 4th rounder.

Or how about the development of Clive Walford? There's a kid who's a completely different football player from when he stepped on campus. Came in a 2 star, now he's a 5th rounder.

I think the staff gets plenty of credit for these kinds of kids. Not to say there haven't been misses (Earl Moore, Preston Dewey, Danny Dillard) but EVERY staff has misses, including Louisville. If Louisville have 9 NFL prospects, then they have probably 50 or so on their roster who aren't.

If you look at Miami's body of work, it ranks very very highly when compared to other colleges around the country.


You also say that Louisville recruit the kinds of kids from Miami that Golden doesn't want, but I don't think that's fair or accurate either. Look at the list of the kids they have that are expected to be drafted one more time:

Devante Parker (WR - 1st rnd): FROM OHIO
Lorenzo Mauldin (OLB - 2nd rnd): FROM GEORGIA
Charles Gaines (CB - 2nd rnd): FROM MIAMI
Dominique Brown (RB - 4/5 rnd): FROM OHIO
Michael Dyer (RB - 5th rnd): FROM ALABAMA (Auburn Transfer)
John Miller (OG - 4/5 rnd): FROM MIAMI
Jake Smith (OG - 5th rnd): FROM ALABAMA
Jamon Brown (OT - 6th rnd): FROM KENTUCKY
Gerald Christian (TE - 7th rnd): FROM PALM BEACH (UF TRANSFER)

From that list, only three of the nine were from South Florida. Two of those (Gaines and Miller) are from the class of 2011, which was during the coaching transition. The TE (Gerald Chrisitan) was a UF kid who transferred to Louisville, so that's not really a miss either.

 

[OldManCane]

[QUOTEMiami: Erek Flowers (OT - 1/2 rnd), Denzel Perryman (ILB - 2nd rnd), Duke Johnson (RB - 2nd rnd), Anthony Chickillo (DE - 4th rnd), Ladarius Gunter (CB - 4th rnd), Phillip Dorsett (WR - 4/5th rnd), Clive Walford (TE - 5th rnd), Olsen Pierre (DT - 6/7 rnd), Jon Feliciano (OG - 6/7 rnd)

No way Clive Walford gets drafted higher than Feliciano. Yes, Clive Walford put up some decent stats, in games that didn't count for much, but when he gets evaluated, he'll be lucky if he gets picked in the 6/7 round.

Feliciano on the other hand, is arguably in the Top 4 as the teams most reliable "gamers" on offense. (In the mix with Duke, Coley, Flowers, Feliciano)

Once Feliciano's film gets evaluated, his stock will shoot up the boards, and may sneak in the the 3/4th round; he's better than Brandon Linder in my opinion.

Exhibit A, #65 Linder's missed block (LOL), notice Feleciano has his guy on his knees:

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Could be. I think the world of Feliciano, and there's an example of great evaluation by the previous staff.

I hope Kehoe is as good as Stoutland was, time will tell.

I'm also hoping Shane McDermott works his way in to the draft this year. He's a borderline kid at the moment. If the draft were today, he wouldn't be picked, but if he has a really good season, he could sneak in there in the late rounds.

 

[Coach Macho]

The problem with Feliciano is that he's a Guard, and OG's aren't really in high demand. Most teams will draft a stud Tackle and move him to Guard if he doesn't pan out before they use an early draft pick on a decent Guard. He's not really 6'5" either. I think he'll be a solid NFL player for many years but I think he gets picked late in the draft

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Well the difference is...

We're Miami, they're Louisville. Our school is in the richest talent pool in America. We should have a high number of draftees every season. You don't get credit for your "talent evaluations" when you send kids to the NFL from Miami. Just by default you should be sending a decent amount of kids every year.

What's obvious to me is...

Louisville are true talent evaluators. They're the type of school that comes to South Florida and takes kids that Golden doesn't want because they're "too small" or whatever. They recruit Miami's leftovers and are still sending just as many kids to the NFL. To me that sounds like great talent evaluation and development.

I don't think you're giving credit where credit is due. We have the THIRD MOST projected draft picks in the entire country. Nobody's arguing that Louisville were great talent evaluators. Whether that continues with a new coaching staff is anyone's guess.

But I think that to say Miami gets no credit for talent evaluations is unfair. No credit for Olsen Pierre? That kid was found by Golden while at Temple, and now looks to join Muhammed Wilkerson and Terrance Knighton as under-the-radar guys he and Jethro found who were drafted by the NFL.

What about Erek Flowers? He was committed to us long before he blew up nationally, I would call that a great evaluation.

Or Ladaruis Gunter? Here's a two star JUCO kid out of Alabama that that Nick Saban didn't offer, but now he's projected as a 4th rounder.

Or how about the development of Clive Walford? There's a kid who's a completely different football player from when he stepped on campus. Came in a 2 star, now he's a 5th rounder.

I think the staff gets plenty of credit for these kinds of kids. Not to say there haven't been misses (Earl Moore, Preston Dewey, Danny Dillard) but EVERY staff has misses, including Louisville. If Louisville have 9 NFL prospects, then they have probably 50 or so on their roster who aren't.

If you look at Miami's body of work, it ranks very very highly when compared to other colleges around the country.


You also say that Louisville recruit the kinds of kids from Miami that Golden doesn't want, but I don't think that's fair or accurate either. Look at the list of the kids they have that are expected to be drafted one more time:

Devante Parker (WR - 1st rnd): FROM OHIO
Lorenzo Mauldin (OLB - 2nd rnd): FROM GEORGIA
Charles Gaines (CB - 2nd rnd): FROM MIAMI
Dominique Brown (RB - 4/5 rnd): FROM OHIO
Michael Dyer (RB - 5th rnd): FROM ALABAMA (Auburn Transfer)
John Miller (OG - 4/5 rnd): FROM MIAMI
Jake Smith (OG - 5th rnd): FROM ALABAMA
Jamon Brown (OT - 6th rnd): FROM KENTUCKY
Gerald Christian (TE - 7th rnd): FROM PALM BEACH (UF TRANSFER)

From that list, only three of the nine were from South Florida. Two of those (Gaines and Miller) are from the class of 2011, which was during the coaching transition. The TE (Gerald Chrisitan) was a UF kid who transferred to Louisville, so that's not really a miss either.

Close thread.. Well done sir

 

[Coach Macho]

Well the difference is...

We're Miami, they're Louisville. Our school is in the richest talent pool in America. We should have a high number of draftees every season. You don't get credit for your "talent evaluations" when you send kids to the NFL from Miami. Just by default you should be sending a decent amount of kids every year.

What's obvious to me is...

Louisville are true talent evaluators. They're the type of school that comes to South Florida and takes kids that Golden doesn't want because they're "too small" or whatever. They recruit Miami's leftovers and are still sending just as many kids to the NFL. To me that sounds like great talent evaluation and development.

I don't think you're giving credit where credit is due. We have the THIRD MOST projected draft picks in the entire country. Nobody's arguing that Louisville were great talent evaluators. Whether that continues with a new coaching staff is anyone's guess.

But I think that to say Miami gets no credit for talent evaluations is unfair. No credit for Olsen Pierre? That kid was found by Golden while at Temple, and now looks to join Muhammed Wilkerson and Terrance Knighton as under-the-radar guys he and Jethro found who were drafted by the NFL.

What about Erek Flowers? He was committed to us long before he blew up nationally, I would call that a great evaluation.

Or Ladaruis Gunter? Here's a two star JUCO kid out of Alabama that that Nick Saban didn't offer, but now he's projected as a 4th rounder.

Or how about the development of Clive Walford? There's a kid who's a completely different football player from when he stepped on campus. Came in a 2 star, now he's a 5th rounder.

I think the staff gets plenty of credit for these kinds of kids. Not to say there haven't been misses (Earl Moore, Preston Dewey, Danny Dillard) but EVERY staff has misses, including Louisville. If Louisville have 9 NFL prospects, then they have probably 50 or so on their roster who aren't.

If you look at Miami's body of work, it ranks very very highly when compared to other colleges around the country.


You also say that Louisville recruit the kinds of kids from Miami that Golden doesn't want, but I don't think that's fair or accurate either. Look at the list of the kids they have that are expected to be drafted one more time:

Devante Parker (WR - 1st rnd): FROM OHIO
Lorenzo Mauldin (OLB - 2nd rnd): FROM GEORGIA
Charles Gaines (CB - 2nd rnd): FROM MIAMI
Dominique Brown (RB - 4/5 rnd): FROM OHIO
Michael Dyer (RB - 5th rnd): FROM ALABAMA (Auburn Transfer)
John Miller (OG - 4/5 rnd): FROM MIAMI
Jake Smith (OG - 5th rnd): FROM ALABAMA
Jamon Brown (OT - 6th rnd): FROM KENTUCKY
Gerald Christian (TE - 7th rnd): FROM PALM BEACH (UF TRANSFER)

From that list, only three of the nine were from South Florida. Two of those (Gaines and Miller) are from the class of 2011, which was during the coaching transition. The TE (Gerald Chrisitan) was a UF kid who transferred to Louisville, so that's not really a miss either.

Let me know when Olsen Pierre and/or Clive Walford get drafted.

As far as them sending kids to the NFL, that's not impressive to me. You're Miami. Your school lies in an NFL breeding ground.

You get zero credit for signing no-brainers. Ereck Flowers is a no-brainer. He was the best OL in Miami, at a talent-rich high school. How hard is it to evaluate THAT kid? LOL

And you can't bring up Ladarius Gunter without talking about the 2 scrub CB's and scrub RB that they signed in that class that ended up transferring. (when they could've signed a kid who went to high school about 30 minutes up the road and is now UCLA's best DB)

When a kid from South Florida goes to another college and balls out, YOU FAILED. You didn't evaluate him properly. Basically a college from out of state performed a better evaluation ON A KID FROM YOUR BACKYARD than YOU did.

You don't get credit for evaluating/signing kids from STA, Central, Booker T Washington, Miami Northwestern, American Heritage, etc. You get credit for evaluations when you sign (or find) a stud player at Piper, Coral Springs, Western, wherever. THAT is when you've done your due diligence.

 

[bbcane]

Well the difference is...

We're Miami, they're Louisville. Our school is in the richest talent pool in America. We should have a high number of draftees every season. You don't get credit for your "talent evaluations" when you send kids to the NFL from Miami. Just by default you should be sending a decent amount of kids every year.

What's obvious to me is...

Louisville are true talent evaluators. They're the type of school that comes to South Florida and takes kids that Golden doesn't want because they're "too small" or whatever. They recruit Miami's leftovers and are still sending just as many kids to the NFL. To me that sounds like great talent evaluation and development.

I don't think you're giving credit where credit is due. We have the THIRD MOST projected draft picks in the entire country. Nobody's arguing that Louisville were great talent evaluators. Whether that continues with a new coaching staff is anyone's guess.

But I think that to say Miami gets no credit for talent evaluations is unfair. No credit for Olsen Pierre? That kid was found by Golden while at Temple, and now looks to join Muhammed Wilkerson and Terrance Knighton as under-the-radar guys he and Jethro found who were drafted by the NFL.

What about Erek Flowers? He was committed to us long before he blew up nationally, I would call that a great evaluation.

Or Ladaruis Gunter? Here's a two star JUCO kid out of Alabama that that Nick Saban didn't offer, but now he's projected as a 4th rounder.

Or how about the development of Clive Walford? There's a kid who's a completely different football player from when he stepped on campus. Came in a 2 star, now he's a 5th rounder.

I think the staff gets plenty of credit for these kinds of kids. Not to say there haven't been misses (Earl Moore, Preston Dewey, Danny Dillard) but EVERY staff has misses, including Louisville. If Louisville have 9 NFL prospects, then they have probably 50 or so on their roster who aren't.

If you look at Miami's body of work, it ranks very very highly when compared to other colleges around the country.


You also say that Louisville recruit the kinds of kids from Miami that Golden doesn't want, but I don't think that's fair or accurate either. Look at the list of the kids they have that are expected to be drafted one more time:

Devante Parker (WR - 1st rnd): FROM OHIO
Lorenzo Mauldin (OLB - 2nd rnd): FROM GEORGIA
Charles Gaines (CB - 2nd rnd): FROM MIAMI
Dominique Brown (RB - 4/5 rnd): FROM OHIO
Michael Dyer (RB - 5th rnd): FROM ALABAMA (Auburn Transfer)
John Miller (OG - 4/5 rnd): FROM MIAMI
Jake Smith (OG - 5th rnd): FROM ALABAMA
Jamon Brown (OT - 6th rnd): FROM KENTUCKY
Gerald Christian (TE - 7th rnd): FROM PALM BEACH (UF TRANSFER)

From that list, only three of the nine were from South Florida. Two of those (Gaines and Miller) are from the class of 2011, which was during the coaching transition. The TE (Gerald Chrisitan) was a UF kid who transferred to Louisville, so that's not really a miss either.

Let me know when Olsen Pierre and/or Clive Walford get drafted.

As far as them sending kids to the NFL, that's not impressive to me. You're Miami. Your school lies in an NFL breeding ground.

You get zero credit for signing no-brainers. Ereck Flowers is a no-brainer. He was the best OL in Miami, at a talent-rich high school. How hard is it to evaluate THAT kid? LOL

And you can't bring up Ladarius Gunter without talking about the 2 scrub CB's and scrub RB that they signed in that class that ended up transferring. (when they could've signed a kid who went to high school about 30 minutes up the road and is now UCLA's best DB)

When a kid from South Florida goes to another college and balls out, YOU FAILED. You didn't evaluate him properly. Basically a college from out of state performed a better evaluation ON A KID FROM YOUR BACKYARD than YOU did.

I feel you but if we are talking about louiville. They got their players when we were under a coaching change. This coaching regime will have a lot of players drafted the next 4 yrs. as you can see with our 15/16 class things are changing.
yea I get it look at the draft this yr a lot of fla talent and not many went to the big 3.

Skaii Moore does not start on a bad usce defense

 

[OldManCane]

Well the difference is...

We're Miami, they're Louisville. Our school is in the richest talent pool in America. We should have a high number of draftees every season. You don't get credit for your "talent evaluations" when you send kids to the NFL from Miami. Just by default you should be sending a decent amount of kids every year.

What's obvious to me is...

Louisville are true talent evaluators. They're the type of school that comes to South Florida and takes kids that Golden doesn't want because they're "too small" or whatever. They recruit Miami's leftovers and are still sending just as many kids to the NFL. To me that sounds like great talent evaluation and development.

I don't think you're giving credit where credit is due. We have the THIRD MOST projected draft picks in the entire country. Nobody's arguing that Louisville were great talent evaluators. Whether that continues with a new coaching staff is anyone's guess.

But I think that to say Miami gets no credit for talent evaluations is unfair. No credit for Olsen Pierre? That kid was found by Golden while at Temple, and now looks to join Muhammed Wilkerson and Terrance Knighton as under-the-radar guys he and Jethro found who were drafted by the NFL.

What about Erek Flowers? He was committed to us long before he blew up nationally, I would call that a great evaluation.

Or Ladaruis Gunter? Here's a two star JUCO kid out of Alabama that that Nick Saban didn't offer, but now he's projected as a 4th rounder.

Or how about the development of Clive Walford? There's a kid who's a completely different football player from when he stepped on campus. Came in a 2 star, now he's a 5th rounder.

I think the staff gets plenty of credit for these kinds of kids. Not to say there haven't been misses (Earl Moore, Preston Dewey, Danny Dillard) but EVERY staff has misses, including Louisville. If Louisville have 9 NFL prospects, then they have probably 50 or so on their roster who aren't.

If you look at Miami's body of work, it ranks very very highly when compared to other colleges around the country.


You also say that Louisville recruit the kinds of kids from Miami that Golden doesn't want, but I don't think that's fair or accurate either. Look at the list of the kids they have that are expected to be drafted one more time:

Devante Parker (WR - 1st rnd): FROM OHIO
Lorenzo Mauldin (OLB - 2nd rnd): FROM GEORGIA
Charles Gaines (CB - 2nd rnd): FROM MIAMI
Dominique Brown (RB - 4/5 rnd): FROM OHIO
Michael Dyer (RB - 5th rnd): FROM ALABAMA (Auburn Transfer)
John Miller (OG - 4/5 rnd): FROM MIAMI
Jake Smith (OG - 5th rnd): FROM ALABAMA
Jamon Brown (OT - 6th rnd): FROM KENTUCKY
Gerald Christian (TE - 7th rnd): FROM PALM BEACH (UF TRANSFER)

From that list, only three of the nine were from South Florida. Two of those (Gaines and Miller) are from the class of 2011, which was during the coaching transition. The TE (Gerald Chrisitan) was a UF kid who transferred to Louisville, so that's not really a miss either.

Let me know when Olsen Pierre and/or Clive Walford get drafted.

As far as them sending kids to the NFL, that's not impressive to me. You're Miami. Your school lies in an NFL breeding ground.

You get zero credit for signing no-brainers. Ereck Flowers is a no-brainer. He was the best OL in Miami, at a talent-rich high school. How hard is it to evaluate THAT kid? LOL

And you can't bring up Ladarius Gunter without talking about the 2 scrub CB's and scrub RB that they signed in that class that ended up transferring. (when they could've signed a kid who went to high school about 30 minutes up the road and is now UCLA's best DB)

When a kid from South Florida goes to another college and balls out, YOU FAILED. You didn't evaluate him properly. Basically a college from out of state performed a better evaluation ON A KID FROM YOUR BACKYARD than YOU did.

You don't get credit for evaluating/signing kids from STA, Central, Booker T Washington, Miami Northwestern, American Heritage, etc. You get credit for evaluations when you sign (or find) a stud player at Piper, Coral Springs, Western, wherever. THAT is when you've done your due diligence.

You're all sorts of hung up on this kid from UCLA. I'm not saying that it wasn't a miss, but I think you're nitpicking quite a bit.

Our top four cornerbacks are all NFL guys - Gunter, Howard, Burns, and Elder. Crawford is no slouch either. We have as much depth and talent at that position as anyone in the country. So it's hard to nitpick our cornerback recruiting when we have that position pretty solid.

 

[Coach Macho]

Well the difference is...

We're Miami, they're Louisville. Our school is in the richest talent pool in America. We should have a high number of draftees every season. You don't get credit for your "talent evaluations" when you send kids to the NFL from Miami. Just by default you should be sending a decent amount of kids every year.

What's obvious to me is...

Louisville are true talent evaluators. They're the type of school that comes to South Florida and takes kids that Golden doesn't want because they're "too small" or whatever. They recruit Miami's leftovers and are still sending just as many kids to the NFL. To me that sounds like great talent evaluation and development.

I don't think you're giving credit where credit is due. We have the THIRD MOST projected draft picks in the entire country. Nobody's arguing that Louisville were great talent evaluators. Whether that continues with a new coaching staff is anyone's guess.

But I think that to say Miami gets no credit for talent evaluations is unfair. No credit for Olsen Pierre? That kid was found by Golden while at Temple, and now looks to join Muhammed Wilkerson and Terrance Knighton as under-the-radar guys he and Jethro found who were drafted by the NFL.

What about Erek Flowers? He was committed to us long before he blew up nationally, I would call that a great evaluation.

Or Ladaruis Gunter? Here's a two star JUCO kid out of Alabama that that Nick Saban didn't offer, but now he's projected as a 4th rounder.

Or how about the development of Clive Walford? There's a kid who's a completely different football player from when he stepped on campus. Came in a 2 star, now he's a 5th rounder.

I think the staff gets plenty of credit for these kinds of kids. Not to say there haven't been misses (Earl Moore, Preston Dewey, Danny Dillard) but EVERY staff has misses, including Louisville. If Louisville have 9 NFL prospects, then they have probably 50 or so on their roster who aren't.

If you look at Miami's body of work, it ranks very very highly when compared to other colleges around the country.


You also say that Louisville recruit the kinds of kids from Miami that Golden doesn't want, but I don't think that's fair or accurate either. Look at the list of the kids they have that are expected to be drafted one more time:

Devante Parker (WR - 1st rnd): FROM OHIO
Lorenzo Mauldin (OLB - 2nd rnd): FROM GEORGIA
Charles Gaines (CB - 2nd rnd): FROM MIAMI
Dominique Brown (RB - 4/5 rnd): FROM OHIO
Michael Dyer (RB - 5th rnd): FROM ALABAMA (Auburn Transfer)
John Miller (OG - 4/5 rnd): FROM MIAMI
Jake Smith (OG - 5th rnd): FROM ALABAMA
Jamon Brown (OT - 6th rnd): FROM KENTUCKY
Gerald Christian (TE - 7th rnd): FROM PALM BEACH (UF TRANSFER)

From that list, only three of the nine were from South Florida. Two of those (Gaines and Miller) are from the class of 2011, which was during the coaching transition. The TE (Gerald Chrisitan) was a UF kid who transferred to Louisville, so that's not really a miss either.

Let me know when Olsen Pierre and/or Clive Walford get drafted.

As far as them sending kids to the NFL, that's not impressive to me. You're Miami. Your school lies in an NFL breeding ground.

You get zero credit for signing no-brainers. Ereck Flowers is a no-brainer. He was the best OL in Miami, at a talent-rich high school. How hard is it to evaluate THAT kid? LOL

And you can't bring up Ladarius Gunter without talking about the 2 scrub CB's and scrub RB that they signed in that class that ended up transferring. (when they could've signed a kid who went to high school about 30 minutes up the road and is now UCLA's best DB)

When a kid from South Florida goes to another college and balls out, YOU FAILED. You didn't evaluate him properly. Basically a college from out of state performed a better evaluation ON A KID FROM YOUR BACKYARD than YOU did.

You don't get credit for evaluating/signing kids from STA, Central, Booker T Washington, Miami Northwestern, American Heritage, etc. You get credit for evaluations when you sign (or find) a stud player at Piper, Coral Springs, Western, wherever. THAT is when you've done your due diligence.

You're all sorts of hung up on this kid from UCLA. I'm not saying that it wasn't a miss, but I think you're nitpicking quite a bit.

Our top four cornerbacks are all NFL guys - Gunter, Howard, Burns, and Elder. Crawford is no slouch either. We have as much depth and talent at that position as anyone in the country. So it's hard to nitpick our cornerback recruiting when we have that position pretty solid.

See...

I can't have this debate with someone who's gonna just hand out the "NFL guys" title to a bunch of players who haven't even done **** yet. Crawford is way too slow. Elder hasn't done anything yet. Gunter is so-so. Howard doesn't run well enough to go high in the draft. Burns hasn't done anything yet either.

You focus on who we have. I focus on who we lost. (and who we signed instead) The kid at UCLA would be starting at Miami right now opposite of Howard. Instead we recruited Larry freakin' Hope and Nate Dortch. Those kids were our "evaluations".

But let's drop that, cause I bring him up enough. He's not the only miss. We don't even recruit the best players in Dade and Broward. We recruit the no-brainers, but we'll pass up a certified gamer because he's an inch too short or 12 pounds too light in favor of some kid we saw run around at camp.

 

[bbcane]

Well the difference is...

We're Miami, they're Louisville. Our school is in the richest talent pool in America. We should have a high number of draftees every season. You don't get credit for your "talent evaluations" when you send kids to the NFL from Miami. Just by default you should be sending a decent amount of kids every year.

What's obvious to me is...

Louisville are true talent evaluators. They're the type of school that comes to South Florida and takes kids that Golden doesn't want because they're "too small" or whatever. They recruit Miami's leftovers and are still sending just as many kids to the NFL. To me that sounds like great talent evaluation and development.

I don't think you're giving credit where credit is due. We have the THIRD MOST projected draft picks in the entire country. Nobody's arguing that Louisville were great talent evaluators. Whether that continues with a new coaching staff is anyone's guess.

But I think that to say Miami gets no credit for talent evaluations is unfair. No credit for Olsen Pierre? That kid was found by Golden while at Temple, and now looks to join Muhammed Wilkerson and Terrance Knighton as under-the-radar guys he and Jethro found who were drafted by the NFL.

What about Erek Flowers? He was committed to us long before he blew up nationally, I would call that a great evaluation.

Or Ladaruis Gunter? Here's a two star JUCO kid out of Alabama that that Nick Saban didn't offer, but now he's projected as a 4th rounder.

Or how about the development of Clive Walford? There's a kid who's a completely different football player from when he stepped on campus. Came in a 2 star, now he's a 5th rounder.

I think the staff gets plenty of credit for these kinds of kids. Not to say there haven't been misses (Earl Moore, Preston Dewey, Danny Dillard) but EVERY staff has misses, including Louisville. If Louisville have 9 NFL prospects, then they have probably 50 or so on their roster who aren't.

If you look at Miami's body of work, it ranks very very highly when compared to other colleges around the country.


You also say that Louisville recruit the kinds of kids from Miami that Golden doesn't want, but I don't think that's fair or accurate either. Look at the list of the kids they have that are expected to be drafted one more time:

Devante Parker (WR - 1st rnd): FROM OHIO
Lorenzo Mauldin (OLB - 2nd rnd): FROM GEORGIA
Charles Gaines (CB - 2nd rnd): FROM MIAMI
Dominique Brown (RB - 4/5 rnd): FROM OHIO
Michael Dyer (RB - 5th rnd): FROM ALABAMA (Auburn Transfer)
John Miller (OG - 4/5 rnd): FROM MIAMI
Jake Smith (OG - 5th rnd): FROM ALABAMA
Jamon Brown (OT - 6th rnd): FROM KENTUCKY
Gerald Christian (TE - 7th rnd): FROM PALM BEACH (UF TRANSFER)

From that list, only three of the nine were from South Florida. Two of those (Gaines and Miller) are from the class of 2011, which was during the coaching transition. The TE (Gerald Chrisitan) was a UF kid who transferred to Louisville, so that's not really a miss either.

Let me know when Olsen Pierre and/or Clive Walford get drafted.

As far as them sending kids to the NFL, that's not impressive to me. You're Miami. Your school lies in an NFL breeding ground.

You get zero credit for signing no-brainers. Ereck Flowers is a no-brainer. He was the best OL in Miami, at a talent-rich high school. How hard is it to evaluate THAT kid? LOL

And you can't bring up Ladarius Gunter without talking about the 2 scrub CB's and scrub RB that they signed in that class that ended up transferring. (when they could've signed a kid who went to high school about 30 minutes up the road and is now UCLA's best DB)

When a kid from South Florida goes to another college and balls out, YOU FAILED. You didn't evaluate him properly. Basically a college from out of state performed a better evaluation ON A KID FROM YOUR BACKYARD than YOU did.

You don't get credit for evaluating/signing kids from STA, Central, Booker T Washington, Miami Northwestern, American Heritage, etc. You get credit for evaluations when you sign (or find) a stud player at Piper, Coral Springs, Western, wherever. THAT is when you've done your due diligence.

You're all sorts of hung up on this kid from UCLA. I'm not saying that it wasn't a miss, but I think you're nitpicking quite a bit.

Our top four cornerbacks are all NFL guys - Gunter, Howard, Burns, and Elder. Crawford is no slouch either. We have as much depth and talent at that position as anyone in the country. So it's hard to nitpick our cornerback recruiting when we have that position pretty solid.

See...

I can't have this debate with someone who's gonna just hand out the "NFL guys" title to a bunch of players who haven't even done **** yet. Crawford is way too slow. Elder hasn't done anything yet. Gunter is so-so. Howard doesn't run well enough to go high in the draft. Burns hasn't done anything yet either.

You focus on who we have. I focus on who we lost. (and who we signed instead) The kid at UCLA would be starting at Miami right now opposite of Howard. Instead we recruited Larry freakin' Hope and Nate Dortch. Those kids were our "evaluations".

But let's drop that, cause I bring him up enough. He's not the only miss. We don't even recruit the best players in Dade and Broward. We recruit the no-brainers, but we'll pass up a certified gamer because he's an inch too short or 12 pounds too light in favor of some kid we saw run around at camp.

Kind of agree. Do you think this is changing for miami now?

 

[OldManCane]

Well the difference is...

We're Miami, they're Louisville. Our school is in the richest talent pool in America. We should have a high number of draftees every season. You don't get credit for your "talent evaluations" when you send kids to the NFL from Miami. Just by default you should be sending a decent amount of kids every year.

What's obvious to me is...

Louisville are true talent evaluators. They're the type of school that comes to South Florida and takes kids that Golden doesn't want because they're "too small" or whatever. They recruit Miami's leftovers and are still sending just as many kids to the NFL. To me that sounds like great talent evaluation and development.

I don't think you're giving credit where credit is due. We have the THIRD MOST projected draft picks in the entire country. Nobody's arguing that Louisville were great talent evaluators. Whether that continues with a new coaching staff is anyone's guess.

But I think that to say Miami gets no credit for talent evaluations is unfair. No credit for Olsen Pierre? That kid was found by Golden while at Temple, and now looks to join Muhammed Wilkerson and Terrance Knighton as under-the-radar guys he and Jethro found who were drafted by the NFL.

What about Erek Flowers? He was committed to us long before he blew up nationally, I would call that a great evaluation.

Or Ladaruis Gunter? Here's a two star JUCO kid out of Alabama that that Nick Saban didn't offer, but now he's projected as a 4th rounder.

Or how about the development of Clive Walford? There's a kid who's a completely different football player from when he stepped on campus. Came in a 2 star, now he's a 5th rounder.

I think the staff gets plenty of credit for these kinds of kids. Not to say there haven't been misses (Earl Moore, Preston Dewey, Danny Dillard) but EVERY staff has misses, including Louisville. If Louisville have 9 NFL prospects, then they have probably 50 or so on their roster who aren't.

If you look at Miami's body of work, it ranks very very highly when compared to other colleges around the country.


You also say that Louisville recruit the kinds of kids from Miami that Golden doesn't want, but I don't think that's fair or accurate either. Look at the list of the kids they have that are expected to be drafted one more time:

Devante Parker (WR - 1st rnd): FROM OHIO
Lorenzo Mauldin (OLB - 2nd rnd): FROM GEORGIA
Charles Gaines (CB - 2nd rnd): FROM MIAMI
Dominique Brown (RB - 4/5 rnd): FROM OHIO
Michael Dyer (RB - 5th rnd): FROM ALABAMA (Auburn Transfer)
John Miller (OG - 4/5 rnd): FROM MIAMI
Jake Smith (OG - 5th rnd): FROM ALABAMA
Jamon Brown (OT - 6th rnd): FROM KENTUCKY
Gerald Christian (TE - 7th rnd): FROM PALM BEACH (UF TRANSFER)

From that list, only three of the nine were from South Florida. Two of those (Gaines and Miller) are from the class of 2011, which was during the coaching transition. The TE (Gerald Chrisitan) was a UF kid who transferred to Louisville, so that's not really a miss either.

Let me know when Olsen Pierre and/or Clive Walford get drafted.

As far as them sending kids to the NFL, that's not impressive to me. You're Miami. Your school lies in an NFL breeding ground.

You get zero credit for signing no-brainers. Ereck Flowers is a no-brainer. He was the best OL in Miami, at a talent-rich high school. How hard is it to evaluate THAT kid? LOL

And you can't bring up Ladarius Gunter without talking about the 2 scrub CB's and scrub RB that they signed in that class that ended up transferring. (when they could've signed a kid who went to high school about 30 minutes up the road and is now UCLA's best DB)

When a kid from South Florida goes to another college and balls out, YOU FAILED. You didn't evaluate him properly. Basically a college from out of state performed a better evaluation ON A KID FROM YOUR BACKYARD than YOU did.

You don't get credit for evaluating/signing kids from STA, Central, Booker T Washington, Miami Northwestern, American Heritage, etc. You get credit for evaluations when you sign (or find) a stud player at Piper, Coral Springs, Western, wherever. THAT is when you've done your due diligence.

You're all sorts of hung up on this kid from UCLA. I'm not saying that it wasn't a miss, but I think you're nitpicking quite a bit.

Our top four cornerbacks are all NFL guys - Gunter, Howard, Burns, and Elder. Crawford is no slouch either. We have as much depth and talent at that position as anyone in the country. So it's hard to nitpick our cornerback recruiting when we have that position pretty solid.

See...

I can't have this debate with someone who's gonna just hand out the "NFL guys" title to a bunch of players who haven't even done **** yet. Crawford is way too slow. Elder hasn't done anything yet. Gunter is so-so. Howard doesn't run well enough to go high in the draft. Burns hasn't done anything yet either.

You focus on who we have. I focus on who we lost. (and who we signed instead) The kid at UCLA would be starting at Miami right now opposite of Howard. Instead we recruited Larry freakin' Hope and Nate Dortch. Those kids were our "evaluations".

But let's drop that, cause I bring him up enough. He's not the only miss. We don't even recruit the best players in Dade and Broward. We recruit the no-brainers, but we'll pass up a certified gamer because he's an inch too short or 12 pounds too light in favor of some kid we saw run around at camp.

You're a perfectionist. I don't have any problem with that. Should we have recruited Fabian Moreau over Larry Hope? Yes, most certainly. Our secondary would be even better today if we had. But we still hit on that position more than we missed, and we have depth and talent there.

EVERY staff has misses. Look at the kids on Louisville's NFL list there above that are from Ohio and Alabama. All we have to do to dominate is hit on enough guys to where we have legit talent two-deep at every position. In that way, it really is about who you get, not who you miss on.

So has Miami recruiting been perfect? No, but compared to other schools around the country, we've shown some promising signs that we're one of the best there is when it comes to evaluating and developing talent.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

LOL at Macho wanting Golden to have a 100% batting average on local kids.
GTFOH with those ridiculous unrealistic standards.
Every Miami coach starting with the great Howard and the legendary JJ and Butch missed on local kids..
Golden was dealing with some real bull**** early in his career here that contributed to some misses and reaches.
He came into South FL cold turkey with no prior history recruiting the area plus all the negativity that surrounded the program, threat of sanctiions, ****** attendance and despite all that currently has the 3rd most players projected to get drafted. And that's without the monster class he signed last spring taken into account.. Speaking of which, showed everyone what he's capable of when the playing field is level.. Not even going to get into all the studs he has lined up for 2015 and 2016..
GTFOH and your BS grudge just cause he didn't look at your boy..

 

[supacane]

U can't get everyone. And not to mention we run different schemes from other teams. So someone excel somewhere else doesn't mean they would here. I have no problem with our DB recruiting. It's the DL that's the problem and coaching the players up is the problem imo

 

[canes732]

I dont care whos hurt for them they mocked us, bullied us, ran up the score and disrespected us. **** who they're missing, we need to come out beat the **** out of them to gain some dignity back. I want a blow out

 

[Coach Macho]

CaneAlmighty...you jock sniffin' booger eater...you'll back anything Golden does. You have no say in this debate cause you're bias.

I could give two ***** whether they looked at "my boy" or not. It's the fact that they had a player like him in their backyard and didn't have enough wherewithal to recruit him. Then they went in to offer 3 scrubs instead.

Y'all don't ******' get it. They don't recruit all of the best players in their backyard. The no-brainers...sure...they recruit those kids...everybody does. But actually going out and finding a diamond in the rough, they don't do that. They over-think their recruiting.

Recruiting South Florida is simple.


Does he dominate down here?
Does he have adequate measureables?

OFFER!

Every...single...year...i see some 3-star kid who has no offer from Miami dominate on the field. Get off y'all asses and go watch some high school football games.

 

[weownfsu]

There is no way we should lose this game.

Hrm?