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CanesAreAble

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Virginia Tech finishes up with Maryland at home and UVA on the road, arguably the two worst teams in a dreadful ACC. Bottom line, forget about the Coastal. Once again, we had the division in our grasp and we vomited all over ourselves. This is now the 10th straight year we haven't won the ACC.

Finishing up 10-2 and having a good showing in a bowl would be a big step, but honestly, how we finish is kind of immaterial to me. Regardless of how we finish (11-2, 7-6, or anything in between), we better not look like a **** show next year. Talent level still isn't where it needs to be, but next year we'll have more than enough not to be in death struggles with the dregs of this conference. Golden will have 3 full classes in.

Win the ******* Coastal.
 
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I think we know what we are going to get next year. There's just such a fundamental flaw with that defensive scheme I don't think it will change much. Unless he changes it, an infusion of talented freshman isn't really gonna do much cause they are freshman. Our freshman and sophomores will hopefully get better, but this team lacks fire and leadership and many other aspects that make teams great. They lack an edge and just react and are soft. Basically they take the personality of the coach and our coach is very soft. So IMO we are headed to a similar season as this one.
 
I think people are getting too caught up in the scheme.

There isn't a scheme on the planet that calls for bad offenses to tune you up for 500+ yards.

The problem is the execution of the scheme, which is part talent and part teaching. We got shredded in man coverage and zone all the same. And the tackling...my god.

Guys just aren't getting it, and that's a big problem.
 
Jesus you really can't accept the fact that even if you have Deon Sanders, it won't matter if he's 10 yards off the ball and nobody is covering the flats, can you?
 
WhatTheHell said:
Jesus you really can't accept the fact that even if you have Deon Sanders, it won't matter if he's 10 yards off the ball and nobody is covering the flats, can you?
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I don't give a **** about the scheme.

Saban designs his defense on taking away big plays and the middle of the field. If there's a weakness, it's in the flats. The difference is his LBs actually know how to line up and diagnose a play.

Ours don't because they're not good and/or they're not being coached up.


We could run press man all day. If we still can't cover crossing routes or tackle, we're still going to get killed.

It's the execution. And yes, the coaches are to blame for us regressing this late in the season.
 
Who do we blame for execution of the scheme thats not the problem? Who do we hold accountable? 3 years and guys still cant execute, still cant cover wide open guys? Logan Thomas completing passes at an absurd rate? 3rd down conversions?

Who do we blame? Who is paid 6 figures to teach execution?
 
CanesAreAble said:
WhatTheHell said:
Jesus you really can't accept the fact that even if you have Deon Sanders, it won't matter if he's 10 yards off the ball and nobody is covering the flats, can you?
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I don't give a **** about the scheme.

Saban designs his defense on taking away big plays and the middle of the field. If there's a weakness, it's in the flats. The difference is his LBs actually know how to line up and diagnose a play.

Ours don't because they're not good and/or they're not being coached up.


We could run press man all day. If we still can't cover crossing routes or tackle, we're still going to get killed.

It's the execution. And yes, the coaches are to blame for us regressing this late in the season.
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Have you ever seen a defensive scheme as passive as ours? Pregame VTech knew how to attack our defense and they did it for 60 minutes straight with ease. VTech is an awful offensive football team. ECarolina, Marshall, GTech, UNC, Pitt, and Duke didn't have a problem with their offense.

As far as execution goes:
1. We have 10+ guys who started games for us last year that returned
2. Sometime players are executing but put in impossible situations to succeed.

So in closing: I give a **** about the scheme.
 
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There's a sorry *** mentality and culture on this team. Just look at what the team Captain had to say after the game. Look at the tweets blaming the fans. This team is soft, and make no mistake, they laid down last night.

Someone is going to have to show me all thetimes that scapegoating coordinators worked especially when the coordinator is running the HC's defense. How many assistants did C0cker and Shanntard run through before people finally realized it was them?
 
We continue to not be able to run the ball, and can't stop the opposing team from running. That is a recipe for disaster.

And I cannot recall a team that is so poor on defending 3d down. We give up, not only 1st downs, but TDs on 3d and long. It's painful to watch.
 
The Franchise said:
Someone is going to have to show me all thetimes that scapegoating coordinators worked especially when the coordinator is running the HC's defense.
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That **** finally caught up to Tuberville.

I don't know, man.

That was a bone-chilling display last night.
 
CanesAreAble said:
The Franchise said:
Someone is going to have to show me all thetimes that scapegoating coordinators worked especially when the coordinator is running the HC's defense.
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That **** finally caught up to Tuberville.

I don't know, man.

That was a bone-chilling display last night.
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It's caught up to every corch I can remember. How is Grantham working out at UGA?
 
DiegoCane said:
CanesAreAble said:
WhatTheHell said:
Jesus you really can't accept the fact that even if you have Deon Sanders, it won't matter if he's 10 yards off the ball and nobody is covering the flats, can you?
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I don't give a **** about the scheme.

Saban designs his defense on taking away big plays and the middle of the field. If there's a weakness, it's in the flats. The difference is his LBs actually know how to line up and diagnose a play.

Ours don't because they're not good and/or they're not being coached up.


We could run press man all day. If we still can't cover crossing routes or tackle, we're still going to get killed.

It's the execution. And yes, the coaches are to blame for us regressing this late in the season.
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Have you ever seen a defensive scheme as passive as ours? Pregame VTech knew how to attack our defense and they did it for 60 minutes straight with ease. VTech is an awful offensive football team. ECarolina, Marshall, GTech, UNC, Pitt, and Duke didn't have a problem with their offense.

As far as execution goes:
1. We have 10+ guys who started games for us last year that returned
2. Sometime players are executing but put in impossible situations to succeed.

So in closing: I give a **** about the scheme.
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Like I said earlier, there isn't a scheme that's been put into practice that fundamentally allows terrible offenses to put up close to 6 bills. Plenty of coaches have gotten fired for playing press man/blitzkrieg schemes. It's all about the implementation of the scheme.

I'm far more concerned with the guys implementing and teaching the scheme.
 
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SA Cane said:
Butch and Jimmy had to run off coordinators
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And Butch lost 4 or 5 games almost every year and gagged away a NC with the best collection of players in football. Jimmy inherited a bunch of guys he didn't want but was forced to keep on staff. Different than Al and Duh' who are tied at the hip and are co-architects of the D.
 
Win the ****ing Coastal.
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Not happening.

FSU and @ VT will both be losses. We would need VT to lose 3 ACC games next year to win the Coastal.

This was our best shot at winning the division until 2015 and we blew it.
 
If you have patience and believe in the Butch Davis-type rebuild, then next year is basically our 2000. That was an incredibly important year for Butch that decided which way the program was going to go. 97 was bottom out, 98/99 were rebuild, and 2000 was the year to show something. Golden hopefully bottomed-out his first season and this is his 99. So next year is the year to prove something.

Realistically, winning the Coastal this year just buys us a ticket to a second pummeling by FSU. The extra game would be a good thing to have, but I personally was never under the illusion that this team could beat FSU and end up in a BCS game. Next year they have to shift from all the "process" talk to talking about winning something--change the urgency around the program.
 
Realistically, winning the Coastal this year just buys us a ticket to a second pummeling by FSU. The extra game would be a good thing to have, but I personally was never under the illusion that this team could beat FSU and end up in a BCS game. Next year they have to shift from all the "process" talk to talking about winning something--change the urgency around the program.
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FSU will be just as good next year.
 
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