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Let’s stop with Miami doesn’t have money..

AtrainCane said:
People there ls more than enough money at and around the university to spend as much or more than the Bamas and OSUs of the world. Those schools care about winning. Our leadership doesn’t. There’s hundreds of millions of dollars flowing through Miami. It’s just that the powers that be don’t want to spend the necessary money to make the football program a powerhouse on a yearly basis.
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You clearly don't understand the difference between an athletic department budget and the overall University budget.
 
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RJ Lee said:
lol this aint 1983. It has nothing to do with how you hire or how good they are. It has everything to do with what you're allowed to do with your money.
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Lol okay so what are we not doing with our money? My point is the two schools mentioned do every single thing they can and spend every dollar and it doesn't work.
 
ssvir said:
Tell us who they should hire then genius.

Matt Campbell from ISU who makes $4M++
(https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/18/report-matt-campbell-extension-4-million-annually-base-salary/)

or Luke Fickell who makes $3.5M+ (https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/25/cincinnati-football-luke-fickell-contract-extension-salary/)
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Why do you think Fickell is out of Miami's price range? Richt was being paid over $4 million per year. Why wouldn't they do the same for Fickell? ****, pay Campbell $5 million a year if you think he's worth it.

I'm not going to be like most on here who say Miami has totally neglected the football team. In the past 10 years, they have upgraded the locker room, weight room, practice fields, and built an indoor practice facility. I'd say the infrastructure is now in place.

If Manny doesn't get 10 wins this year, go ahead and open the purse strings a bit to get a quality coach and staff.
 
ssvir said:
You clearly don't understand the difference between an athletic department budget and the overall University budget.
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Listen man…if they want to spend the money they can…any money the school has can be put where the school wants to…you don’t think these other schools take money and spend money from places they’re not supposed to spend it on things they’re no supposed to spend it on….Miami is a private school. Which means they don’t even have to disclose information that the state schools do…these state schools are using money however the fck they want to. Who is the watchdog that’s policing this thing…I don’t see one.
 
CaneinBroward said:
Why do you think Fickell is out of Miami's price range? Richt was being paid over $4 million per year. Why wouldn't they do the same for Fickell? ****, pay Campbell $5 million a year if you think he's worth it.

I'm not going to be like most on here who say Miami has totally neglected the football team. In the past 10 years, they have upgraded the locker room, weight room, practice fields, and built an indoor practice facility. I'd say the infrastructure is now in place.

If Manny doesn't get 10 wins this year, go ahead and open the purse strings a bit to get a quality coach and staff.
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What you clearly aren't understanding is that $4-5M gets you a low P5/high G5 coach ... we don't have the ability to pay $7-9M a year it takes to grab a proven coach. It will be more throwing **** against the wall to see what sticks like the last Shannon/Golden/Diaz hires.
 
AtrainCane said:
Listen man…if they want to spend the money they can…any money the school has can be put where the school wants to…you don’t think these other schools take money and spend money from places they’re not supposed to spend it on things they’re no supposed to spend it on….Miami is a private school. Which means they don’t even have to disclose information that the state schools do…these state schools are using money however the fck they want to. Who is the watchdog that’s policing this thing…I don’t see one.
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You might want to sit this one buddy considering you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Watching warm ups at the game yesterday Alabama literally had one assistant on the field for every two players during stretching. Miami rolled out about 8 assistants. It was quite sobering looking at the two organizations and the support just at the game. You can only imagine what is happening behind the scenes. Until we are making more money the rich will only get richer. Texas and Oklahoma realized this. Joining the SEC or BiG would the the only way for us to ever keep up in my opinion. It's a matter of time before Clemson and FSU say adios.
 
ssvir said:
You might want to sit this one buddy considering you have no idea what you are talking about.
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No problem. It’s obvious you’re dealing in how things are supposed to be. And I’m dealing in how things actually are.
 
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Cool, now tell us how much SEC and Big 10 schools make
 
ssvir said:
What you clearly aren't understanding is that $4-5M gets you a low P5/high G5 coach ... we don't have the ability to pay $7-9M a year it takes to grab a proven coach. It will be more throwing **** against the wall to see what sticks like the last Shannon/Golden/Diaz hires.
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Who was talking about paying $7-9M a year? You gave 2 examples of quality low P5/high G5 coaches that Miami who you said Miami could not afford. I was simply stating that Miami could afford those 2 coaches.

Miami has never hired a for-sure proven coach throughout their glory days. Schnelly was a NFL-fired retread, JJ came from Oklahoma State where he had moderate success, Erickson had a solid couple of years at Washington State, this was Butch's first head coaching job, same for Coker, same for Shannon, Golden was a high G5 coach, and this is Manny's first head coaching job. The closest the Canes came was hiring Richt who had won the SEC before, but he was obviously past his prime and his health was waning.
 
The problem is the administration, in general, is fine with a 9-win team that occasionally wins the Coastal (one day?) and maybe an ACC title. They do not care to turn Miami into Clemson. They don’t like to be embarrassed like the 58-0 home loss to Clemson, and fired Golden as his last straw. I don’t think Bama is the same loss for Manny. Bama is so good they’d beat OU and OSU by 20+ if they played next Saturday. UGA, maybe, but the Dawg’s defense might keep the game closer.

Is there anyone with enough power on the BOT to not only force Manny out, but James as well, with a 6,7-win season? Are these power brokers going to then use their influence to get the program to fund improved staffs and overall budgets? Would they hire a well-respected, well-connnected, successful AD to build up not only football, but baseball, basketball, and the remaining sports? Football is King, yes, so start there.

Given the run of ADs and football HCs since Paul Dee, I’d say no.

And therefore we’re relying on a miracle hire with a magic playbook.
 
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IDK, I think Miami has the money to spend $5-7 million/year on a head coach plus his assistants. But, Miami won't because the coaches that are worth that much won't leave their current program for Miami (why would they?)

How many coaches out there would you be willing to spend $7m/yr on? Saban (he would have to take a discount), Dabo (he would have to take a pay cut too), Mullen (he makes $7.3m/yr), Ryan Day (approx. $6m/yr), Jimbo ($7.5m), Lincoln Riley ($7.5m/year), and Brian Kelly (ND is a private school and won't release contract info but I assume he's making upwards of $7m/yr). Those are the ELITE coaches in NCAAF.

The next level guys are: Matt Campbell, Fickell, Napier, Franklin, and Mario. This level will cost between $4m-$5.5m/yr. This is the level that Richt and Manny made/makes from Miami as HC.

Any of the "second level" HCs are better than Manny.

When you picture in your mind a head coach lifting up the CFP National Championship trophy, is that coach Manny Diaz? **** no. Manny Diaz will never be the HC of a national championship team.

That's why you get rid of him today and that's why you shouldn't have hired him then. He isn't THAT HC.
 
CaneinBroward said:
Who was talking about paying $7-9M a year? You gave 2 examples of quality low P5/high G5 coaches that Miami who you said Miami could not afford. I was simply stating that Miami could afford those 2 coaches.

Miami has never hired a for-sure proven coach throughout their glory days. Schnelly was a NFL-fired retread, JJ came from Oklahoma State where he had moderate success, Erickson had a solid couple of years at Washington State, this was Butch's first head coaching job, same for Coker, same for Shannon, Golden was a high G5 coach, and this is Manny's first head coaching job. The closest the Canes came was hiring Richt who had won the SEC before, but he was obviously past his prime and his health was waning.
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Both of those coaches make $4M++ so how the **** do you think we going to hire them for less than $6-8M?
 
AtrainCane said:
No problem. It’s obvious you’re dealing in how things are supposed to be. And I’m dealing in how things actually are.
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So you think on the down low Bama is taking $10M a year from the general student budget? Nope. Its all from the athletic department and boosters.
 
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ssvir said:
Both of those coaches make $4M++ so how the **** do you think we going to hire them for less
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Hire them for less? I'm saying pay them a $1 million a year more than they are being paid now - Campbell $5M or Fickle $4.5M.

They would make the move for the increase in pay (no income tax by the way) as well as having the opportunity to have a realistic shot at getting to national championship caliber and take their career to the next level. The same reason why JJ and Erickson gave up lower P5 jobs back in the day to come to Miami.
 
CaneinBroward said:
Hire them for less? I'm saying pay them a $1 million a year more than they are being paid now - Campbell $5M or Fickle $4.5M.

They would make the move for the increase in pay (no income tax by the way) as well as having the opportunity to have a realistic shot at getting to national championship caliber and take their career to the next level. The same reason why JJ and Erickson gave up lower P5 jobs back in the day to come to Miami.
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You aren't getting them to come for only $1M more in salary and the tax benefit (8% in Iowa and 5% in Ohio) is more than offset by the reduced cost of housing alone. Not happening.
 
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