Leach is a corch

[gruntking]

Come on people... this guy is a genius!

 

[Thommy30w]

Dude- its not worth arguing with most of this board about Leach. They hate Leach because Leach is a Trump supporter. Its funny- I started typing this post this morning and got sidetracked. Come back a few hours later and it's all anti-Trump stuff. OGH, for example, has said repeatedly that black parents won't send their kids to play for him because of his Trump supporter. Kids play for racist SEC schools without batting an eye, but Leach is more toxic because he has openly said good things about Trump. Recruiting coordinators in anonymous interviews have said neither parents or kids care one bit about a coach's politics, but they make the ridiculous claim the one exception to that rule is Leach.

Then they say it's not true that Pullman, WA is a ****hole and that it should be a destination school, so it's on Leach that he doesn't have higher ranked classes. The anti-Trumpers (I mean anti-Leachers) say Mike Price had success therefore it proves that Leach should have even more success. Price had 3 10 win seasons in 12 years, therefore WSU should be considered a name brand school and recruits should want to flock there. These anti-Leach porsters have no idea of what Prices classes were ranked or if Price was overachieving with sub par talent; but they claim it proves Leach should be able to recruit better at WSU. There is no logical reason to believe that but since Leach supports Trump its fair to jump to that conclusion.

Prior to Leach's arrival, the last time WSU was relevant was at the same time the University of Colorado was one of the stronger teams in college football. Yet no reasonable person would claim that Colorado should be better at recruiting or is a destination program. It's only because Mike Leach is a Trump supporter that the critics claim that Leach should be recruiting better at WSU, even though they would not make that same argument against other coaches at schools that had more success than WSU around the same time period.

Most of the anti-Leach stuff is an irrational hatred that isnt rooted in football acumen but in politics. While some may put stock in the opinions of internet slapd!cks who think they know football better than actual professionals, I'll value the professionals opinion a bit more. Coaches generally hold Leach in high regard. In anonymous surveys other coaches have rated him as a "very good coach" and one who has done more with less talent than most coaches. If going to take shots at Leach and say he's overrated, the anonymous coach surveys is where you would tend to see it. It was in an another anonymous coach survey that one coach said Manny Diaz was overrated and all gimmicks. Looks like the coaches were right twice.

I dont share Leach's politics but my criticism is not based on that. I honestly dont think he is a good fit for Miami and more importantly we are never going to hire him anyway. There are lots of coaches I wouldnt agree with on politics but I would want them as a coach.

 

[gruntking]

I dont share Leach's politics but my criticism is not based on that. I honestly dont think he is a good fit for Miami and more importantly we are never going to hire him anyway. There are lots of coaches I wouldnt agree with on politics but I would want them as a coach.

IDK if TimeBOmb was directly referring to you or not but... you are an exception. My good man... consider yourself a minority.

 

[TemplarCane]

I never said Erikson built his team. I am saying, the recruits Erikson pulled in, that Price later used, were high level kids. Much more talented than leach even came close to pulling.

Bledsoe is not the only one. He has had tons of early picks in his career at WSU. And if you want to say "well Bledsoe was a lock because he was from there". Leach isn't locking down any of these top talented kids from Washington.

Not arguing anything. I just don’t think much positive about recruiting and Dennis Erickson belong in the same thought stream.

Aside from this, it’s interesting to note WSU has only had 12 1st round picks in their history. The Eagles drafted a WSU OL in the top round this past April. Prior to that there was a DB taken in 2014, and another DB in 2003. Before that was the infamous Ryan Leaf.

The Cougars only average a few mid-late round picks each season, at best. Including the classes Erickson recruited from 87-89. His only recruit drafted in the first three rounds was PK Jason Hanson. Who was a GREAT kicker. Timm Rosenbsch and Steve Broussard were first round picks but were on the team when Erickson arrived.

Texas Tech wasn't any better during Leach’s tenure. The only 1st round selection was WR Michael Crabtree.

List of Texas Tech Red Raiders in the NFL draft - Wikipedia

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List of Washington State Cougars in the NFL draft - Wikipedia

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[FrancisSawyer]

The AR is about to get Helton fired...Texas Tech's 3-5 with the AR...OU just lost...so the AR ain't no panacea.

I find your argument intellectually lazy and strewn with gaping holes in logic. It is not just a system. It is the head coach, the entire staff, the way the system is implemented, the players, the depth, the talent level, the play calling in addition to the defense and special teams.

Hey guys we can't run an offense that features the forward pass because there are a few teams out there that run that and they have losing records. Hey guys, a team that is consistently competing for a playoff spot in addition to consistently winning 10/11+ games a season just lost! That means their offensive scheme is no good! They scored 41 points and rolled up 500 yards in total offense but it's their offensive system the Air Raid, that lost them the game. Makes perfect sense. Thanks for the heads up. Now we know that we must stay away from that incredibly flawed offensive system.

You're on the BOT aren't you?

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

Not arguing anything. I just don’t think much positive about recruiting and Dennis Erickson belong in the same thought stream.

Aside from this, it’s interesting to note WSU has only had 12 1st round picks in their history. The Eagles drafted a WSU OL in the top round this past April. Prior to that there was a DB taken in 2014, and another DB in 2003. Before that was the infamous Ryan Leaf.

The Cougars only average a few mid-late round picks each season, at best. Including the classes Erickson recruited from 87-89. His only recruit drafted in the first three rounds was PK Jason Hanson. Who was a GREAT kicker. Timm Rosenbsch and Steve Broussard were first round picks but were on the team when Erickson arrived.

Texas Tech wasn't any better during Leach’s tenure. The only 1st round selection was WR Michael Crabtree.

List of Texas Tech Red Raiders in the NFL draft - Wikipedia

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List of Washington State Cougars in the NFL draft - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

That is what I am saying . Erikson is not a great recruiter yet he recruited at a much higher level than Leach did at the same school. That proves the whole "its the school" excuse is total horse schit. He may have only had 1 person drafted in the 1st 3 rounds from his first 2 classes, but that is still 1 more than Leach. He also had quite a few guys drafted in later rounds which is a lot more than Leaches first 2 classes.

Price had 4 first round picks and plenty of others in the first few rounds. And was averaging WAY more picks per year than Leach did.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

I find your argument intellectually lazy and strewn with gaping holes in logic. It is not just a system. It is the head coach, the entire staff, the way the system is implemented, the players, the depth, the talent level, the play calling in addition to that teams defense and special teams.

Hey guys we can't run an offense that features the forward pass because there are a few teams out there that run that and they have losing records. Hey guys, a team that is consistently competing for a playoff spot in addition to consistently winning 10/11+ games a season just lost! That means their offensive scheme is no good! They scored 41 points and rolled up 500 yards in total offense but it's the Air Raid that lost them the game. Makes perfect sense. Thanks for the heads up. Now we know that we must stay away from that incredibly flawed offensive system.

You're on the BOT aren't you?

Is "consistently competing for a playoff spot" the same thing as winning a Natty?...no?...then shut up. BTW the Cardinals lost today also...LOL.

 

[TemplarCane]

That is what I am saying . Erikson is not a great recruiter yet he recruited at a much higher level than Leach did at the same school. That proves the whole "its the school" excuse is total horse schit. He may have only had 1 person drafted in the 1st 3 rounds from his first 2 classes, but that is still 1 more than Leach. He also had quite a few guys drafted in later rounds which is a lot more than Leaches first 2 classes.

Price had 4 first round picks and plenty of others in the first few rounds. And was averaging WAY more picks per year than Leach did.

Leach had a first round pick last year. OL Andre Dillard.

TTU hasn’t had many high picks since Leach. Kingsbury recruited Patrick Mahomes. I guess if you’re going to get one stud might as well be the NFL MVP.

Again, not arguing the recruiting prowess of Mike Leach.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

Leach had a first round pick last year. OL Andre Dillard.

TTU hasn’t had many high picks since Leach. Kingsbury recruited Patrick Mahomes. I guess if you’re going to get one stud might as well be the NFL MVP.

Again, not arguing the recruiting prowess of Mike Leach.

Yes and Price had 4. That is 4x better.

You are comparing Leachs 8th year at a school to Eriksons first 2. I said Erikson had more and higher picks in his first 2 classes than Leach did in his first 2. A lot more.

TTU also hasn't had a half decent coach since Leach left so its not really saying much. Thats like blaming Miami, the school, for our recruiting woes, and not blaming the coaches.

 

[TemplarCane]

Yes and Price had 4. That is 4x better.

You are comparing Leachs 8th year at a school to Eriksons first 2. I said Erikson had more and higher picks in his first 2 classes than Leach did in his first 2. A lot more.

TTU also hasn't had a half decent coach since Leach left so its not really saying much. Thats like blaming Miami, the school, for our recruiting woes, and not blaming the coaches.

I’ll end this here:

Miami enjoys one of the most fertile recruiting bases in CFB. The Canes’ 15-year fall from the top of CFB is the direct result of four consecutive poor coaching hires, all of whom were poor recruiters. Clearly demonstrating no school recruits itself. Even bag schools.

Washington State, Texas Tech, and many others not affiliated with Mike Leach either do not benefit from the same talent pool in their backyard, and where there was talent are limited by competition from bigger schools with rich traditions, like Washington, Texas, Texas A&M, and Oklahoma, all staffed by coaches who are better recruiters.

Leach is an innovative offensive mind, but the only way he ever has a roster even modestly stocked with NFL potential is if he inherits one at his next HC job.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

I’ll end this here:

Miami enjoys one of the most fertile recruiting bases in CFB. The Canes’ 15-year fall from the top of CFB is the direct result of four consecutive poor coaching hires, all of whom were poor recruiters. Clearly demonstrating no school recruits itself. Even bag schools.

Washington State, Texas Tech, and many others not affiliated with Mike Leach either do not benefit from the same talent pool in their backyard, and where there was talent are limited by competition from bigger schools with rich traditions, like Washington, Texas, Texas A&M, and Oklahoma, all staffed by coaches who are better recruiters.

Leach is an innovative offensive mind, but the only way he ever has a roster even modestly stocked with NFL potential is if he inherits one at his next HC job.

Of course we do, but if we just tossed out numbers from recent coaches(like posters are doing here for Texas Tech and and WSU) we wouldn't see that from the stats provided.

I agree with your last sentence fully though. The problem is he wouldn't maintain it, within a few years he would have them back to being a team full of 3 stars.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

Is "consistently competing for a playoff spot" the same thing as winning a Natty?...no?...then shut up. BTW the Cardinals lost today also...LOL.

Another gem of logic. Consistently competing for a playoff spot is a step toward playing for a championship. It shows that the program in question has good leadership and is being coached well. It also makes the program money and keeps the fan base excited. It is also light years ahead of where we are currently. Also your attempt at using a straw man is lame at best. The argument that a certain offensive system can not win a national championship was not the original premise of your argument. Nice attempt at bait and switch. That may work on a few bozos here but not on me. Try harder.

Bringing up the Cardinals of the NFL? Why? We are talking about college football. Nobody cares about the Cardinals but the fact that you brought it up once again showcases your flawed reasoning skills. What is even funnier is that you throw it in there as if it adds any credibility, substance or logic to your inane argument. You act as if its a drop the mic moment but it is anything but that. Why is the Cardinals example completely flawed in this context? How about this.... You tell me. Think of it as a homework assignment. A mental exercise if you will.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Another gem of logic. Consistently competing for a playoff spot is a step toward playing for a championship. It shows that the program in question has good leadership and is being coached well. It also makes the program money and keeps the fan base excited. It is also light years ahead of where we are currently. Also your attempt at using a straw man is lame at best. The argument that a certain offensive system can not win a national championship was not the original premise of your argument. Nice attempt at bait and switch. That may work on a few bozos here but not on me. Try harder.

Bringing up the Cardinals of the NFL? Why? We are talking about college football. Nobody cares about the Cardinals but the fact that you brought it up once again showcases your flawed reasoning skills. What is even funnier is that you throw it in there as if it adds any credibility, substance or logic to your inane argument. You act as if its a drop the mic moment but it is anything but that. Why is the Cardinals example completely flawed in this context? How about this.... You tell me. Think of it as a homework assignment. A mental exercise if you will.

You still talkin'?...didn't I tell you to shut up?...you don't listen do you?

 

[PanamaCityCanes]

Hey guys we can't run an offense that features the forward pass because there are a few teams out there that run that and they have losing records. Hey guys, a team that is consistently competing for a playoff spot in addition to consistently winning 10/11+ games a season just lost! That means their offensive scheme is no good! They scored 41 points and rolled up 500 yards in total offense but it's their offensive system the Air Raid, that lost them the game. Makes perfect sense. Thanks for the heads up. Now we know that we must stay away from that incredibly flawed offensive system.

If you haven't noticed, teams that run Air Raid never, ever play defense. And they never, ever win championships.

 

[Fawk_U Haters]

Hahaha funny that you think Manny is a good coach and you think Blake is a great AD. Go eat your snack and go to bed Rebecca.

Actually what’s funny is your projection onto others. All you can do is call people names but I bet you’re the biggest sissy. You and @duke4heisman

Bunch of crybabys who talk about other people being triggered but all you do is stay triggered and run the interwebz to cry about it. Like anyone cares about your feelings, but let me share them because im upset. You're the snowflake bud

 

[FrancisSawyer]

If you haven't noticed, teams that run Air Raid never, ever play defense. And they never, ever win championships.

But that is an entirely different argument.

 

[PanamaCityCanes]

But that is an entirely different argument.

Well, it sure is an indictment of the Air Raid, unless your only goal is to score a lot of points.

 

[DiegoCane]

Look at the NFL draft by WSU players 3 years after Erikson got on campus all the way up until 3 years after Price left. Then compare that to Leach.

List of Washington State Cougars in the NFL draft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Leachs best draft class was 2 guys. LMAO. Compare that to Prices years.

Thats not what you said. I’m looking for the recruiting information you passed off as a fact. NFL draft picks does not equal stud recruit.

Andre Dillard was just a 1st round pick at WSU and he was a low 3*.

 

[Deleted member 13422]

Actually what’s funny is your projection onto others. All you can do is call people names but I bet you’re the biggest sissy. You and @duke4heisman

Bunch of crybabys who talk about other people being triggered but all you do is stay triggered and run the interwebz to cry about it. Like anyone cares about your feelings, but let me share them because im upset. You're the snowflake bud

Ahhh this new generation of canes fans where its okay to be mediocre and everyone gets a trophy. Hey bud aren't you supposed to be in school and then headed to your job as janitor of the Hecht. BUD!!!! Manny sucks *** and Blake needs to be fired. You just want to win the coastal us old school canes fans played for NC's and that is all that mattered. Now get back to class!!!!

 

[Deleted member 13422]

Those self assessment skills are showing. Yes, of course those 95%ers I've pictured are the violence types. The worst part is that they are mostly closet types projecting. They are what they hate!

Nah we grew up taking our problems outside and throwing hands when we had a problem. We grew up having to work hard, and hating communism. You just want to take and not have to work and want everything for free.