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Last years class...

Too early to make the call, but 2015 has the look of guys that will contribute when they are Juniors and Seniors, but more role player types.

My guess is 2015 will end up being the weakest of Golden's recruiting classes.
 
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So king can beat out McCloud, shaq, and Pinckney but gordinier can't? King is undersized and doesn't have spence like football IQ. Gordinier may grow into a wde much like AQm. Let's wait a year before calling him deadweight.

Henley has an uphill battle simply based on better kids getting signed this year. Byrd looks to be good enough to push for a starting spot. Redwine, Jackson, and Mayes are all bigger with playing time. Not calling him dead weight...another wait and see.

Jassid82 said:
Guys like James King and Henley will flourish in this new scheme because they have elite speed I predict. Esp King. I have a feeling that he will be a surprise.

Guys like Fines unfornately wont be here much longer IMO. He is a 3-4 DT/NG. He is too slow for this scheme. I liked Gordinier but will his skillset fit this scheme? He was a perfect 3-4 LB. Can he beat out McCloud and Pinkney for a 2 deep spot in this 4-3 aggressive scheme?

Loftus will be shown the door this time next year.

I think the rest will be okay.
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bshaw28 said:
Too early to make the call, but 2015 has the look of guys that will contribute when they are Juniors and Seniors, but more role player types.

My guess is 2015 will end up being the weakest of Golden's recruiting classes.
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it will get better because they will leave and we'll pick up more kids in 2017
 
People who are asking about who these kids are reminds me of this:

[video=youtube;LpZ3LODBK7E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpZ3LODBK7E[/video]

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Patchan was still recovering from ACL. Another 3/4 Jack that may well be a wde.

Mcintosh is Miami material and got some good minutes in early. He is a better fit for a 4/3 DT than 3 tech in 3/4.

3-4 frames:
Gordinier
Patchan
Aqm
Norton
Jenkins


Also, McCray is deadweight now that we have quality guys on board. Gayot, Grace, young, Owens, Harris, Perry, shaq, McCloud, Pinckney should all be ahead of him. Gordinier may be a MLB depending on growth and he may be better too. King is also better IMO.

ilovelamp51 said:
How did Patchan look this year? Is McIntosh UM material? Thanks on the others. Was wondering how many of these lower tier recruits were recruited for the 3-4. (body types/frame seem to confirm that)
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90scane said:
So king can beat out McCloud, shaq, and Pinckney but gordinier can't? King is undersized and doesn't have spence like football IQ. Gordinier may grow into a wde much like AQm. Let's wait a year before calling him deadweight.

Henley has an uphill battle simply based on better kids getting signed this year. Byrd looks to be good enough to push for a starting spot. Redwine, Jackson, and Mayes are all bigger with playing time. Not calling him dead weight...another wait and see.

Jassid82 said:
Guys like James King and Henley will flourish in this new scheme because they have elite speed I predict. Esp King. I have a feeling that he will be a surprise.

Guys like Fines unfornately wont be here much longer IMO. He is a 3-4 DT/NG. He is too slow for this scheme. I liked Gordinier but will his skillset fit this scheme? He was a perfect 3-4 LB. Can he beat out McCloud and Pinkney for a 2 deep spot in this 4-3 aggressive scheme?

Loftus will be shown the door this time next year.

I think the rest will be okay.
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if you haven't notice we have several good DE on the team already and we seem to be landing more and more talent at this position like Bethel, Jackson and could land one more. Can he make it in the rotation with kids like Chad, Jackson, Quan? This is a question not trying to attack just wondering? This goes for several of kids who will get pushed down in depth chart as talent gets better. This isn't going to be gems its going to real talent coming in for now on
 
90scane said:
Patchan was still recovering from ACL. Another 3/4 Jack that may well be a wde.

Mcintosh is Miami material and got some good minutes in early. He is a better fit for a 4/3 DT than 5 tech in 3/4.

3-4 frames:
Gordinier
Patchan
Aqm
Norton
Jenkins


Also, McCray is deadweight now that we have quality guys on board. Gayot, Grace, young, Owens, Harris, Perry, shaq, McCloud, Pinckney should all be ahead of him. Gordinier may be a MLB depending on growth and he may be better too. King is also better IMO.

ilovelamp51 said:
How did Patchan look this year? Is McIntosh UM material? Thanks on the others. Was wondering how many of these lower tier recruits were recruited for the 3-4. (body types/frame seem to confirm that)
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so golden burned his RS why am I shocked, what a fcking idiot.
 
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Bethel and Jackson are just as much projects as Gordinier. Also both of them are Sde IMO like Chad and Jackson on the team now. Aqm is likely gone next year which leaves us with Harris or Owens moving to WDE or Gordinier, Patch, Smith, or recruit X playing. We really need A burns/Uche to make the Gordinier dead weight stick. If you land two, it may cause patch and Gordinier to both fall into that group.

BALLHAWKU said:
90scane said:
So king can beat out McCloud, shaq, and Pinckney but gordinier can't? King is undersized and doesn't have spence like football IQ. Gordinier may grow into a wde much like AQm. Let's wait a year before calling him deadweight.

Henley has an uphill battle simply based on better kids getting signed this year. Byrd looks to be good enough to push for a starting spot. Redwine, Jackson, and Mayes are all bigger with playing time. Not calling him dead weight...another wait and see.

Jassid82 said:
Guys like James King and Henley will flourish in this new scheme because they have elite speed I predict. Esp King. I have a feeling that he will be a surprise.

Guys like Fines unfornately wont be here much longer IMO. He is a 3-4 DT/NG. He is too slow for this scheme. I liked Gordinier but will his skillset fit this scheme? He was a perfect 3-4 LB. Can he beat out McCloud and Pinkney for a 2 deep spot in this 4-3 aggressive scheme?

Loftus will be shown the door this time next year.

I think the rest will be okay.
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if you haven't notice we have several good DE on the team already and we seem to be landing more and more talent at this position like Bethel, Jackson and could land one more. Can he make it in the rotation with kids like Chad, Jackson, Quan? This is a question not trying to attack just wondering? This goes for several of kids who will get pushed down in depth chart as talent gets better. This isn't going to be gems its going to real talent coming in for now on
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90scane said:
McCray is deadweight now that we have quality guys on board.
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That's what I assumed. Patchan seems to have the frame to plug him somewhere (even OT) if need be. His brother bounced back and forth between the two.
 
Redshirted:
Sheriff
Milo
Mahoney
Loftus
Fines
Gordinier
King
Henley
Knowles

BALLHAWKU said:
90scane said:
Patchan was still recovering from ACL. Another 3/4 Jack that may well be a wde.

Mcintosh is Miami material and got some good minutes in early. He is a better fit for a 4/3 DT than 5 tech in 3/4.

3-4 frames:
Gordinier
Patchan
Aqm
Norton
Jenkins


Also, McCray is deadweight now that we have quality guys on board. Gayot, Grace, young, Owens, Harris, Perry, shaq, McCloud, Pinckney should all be ahead of him. Gordinier may be a MLB depending on growth and he may be better too. King is also better IMO.

ilovelamp51 said:
How did Patchan look this year? Is McIntosh UM material? Thanks on the others. Was wondering how many of these lower tier recruits were recruited for the 3-4. (body types/frame seem to confirm that)
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so golden burned his RS why am I shocked, what a fcking idiot.
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BALLHAWKU said:
90scane said:
So king can beat out McCloud, shaq, and Pinckney but gordinier can't? King is undersized and doesn't have spence like football IQ. Gordinier may grow into a wde much like AQm. Let's wait a year before calling him deadweight.

Henley has an uphill battle simply based on better kids getting signed this year. Byrd looks to be good enough to push for a starting spot. Redwine, Jackson, and Mayes are all bigger with playing time. Not calling him dead weight...another wait and see.

Jassid82 said:
Guys like James King and Henley will flourish in this new scheme because they have elite speed I predict. Esp King. I have a feeling that he will be a surprise.

Guys like Fines unfornately wont be here much longer IMO. He is a 3-4 DT/NG. He is too slow for this scheme. I liked Gordinier but will his skillset fit this scheme? He was a perfect 3-4 LB. Can he beat out McCloud and Pinkney for a 2 deep spot in this 4-3 aggressive scheme?

Loftus will be shown the door this time next year.

I think the rest will be okay.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...

if you haven't notice we have several good DE on the team already and we seem to be landing more and more talent at this position like Bethel, Jackson and could land one more. Can he make it in the rotation with kids like Chad, Jackson, Quan? This is a question not trying to attack just wondering? This goes for several of kids who will get pushed down in depth chart as talent gets better. This isn't going to be gems its going to real talent coming in for now on
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Jackson is fast off the ball which makes him a real threat. I agree on some we should wait but we have several DE, LBs, Cbs, OL who will never play. If Crow and Odonell had another two years you could add them to this list
 
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A few will surprise. They hardly ever do in Al Golden's passive system but kids always surprise in an aggressive attacking D. Some of the more unheralded kids may just be a bit more violent and instinctive when it comes to just killing the man with the ball. I have zero doubt that some of these dead weight guys, especially the ones who are beasts in the weight room, will surprise.
 
Last years class had 2-3 dead weight players but overall it wasn't bad . Not good enough for UM standards ( which should be top 20 classes) but had alot of good players like Redwine , Norton ect. But starting now we will never have a class out of the top 20 and I suspect next year's class to be top 5ish .
 
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