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Last Night's Solid Win...But We Need To Talk...

section9 said:
Empirical Cane is absolutely right.

And we may need to have more tempo at Doak Campbell. Gus Malzahn is probably planning some inventive scoring stuff for our defense and we MUST stay ahead of the curve.

If we try to play Caveman Ball with FSU, we will lose.
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Who do I make the check out to?

Where do I send it?

Do you also take VISA? Crypto? Yams and seeds? Beaver pelts?

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EC, I tend to agree with you on this BUT reality is we lose this game last year. Defense is simply THE difference. Reality is we won and the game, not being secured until late, keeps us focused on what could have been. I’m ….. cautiously optimistic 😎
 
canester95 said:
EC, I tend to agree with you on this BUT reality is we lose this game last year. Defense is simply THE difference. Reality is we won and the game, not being secured until late, keeps us focused on what could have been. I’m ….. cautiously optimistic 😎
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100% spot on.

Just like last year, we can't have a breakdown on one side of the ball, then the other plays mediocre.

See GT and Cuse as a result. That was part of my broader implied point.
 
Santana Sosa said:
This is mostly true. Because I'm too lazy to go pull receipts....I'm going to give half the board (the pom pomers) a pass in references. But this board was on fire after the first 4 games after Ball State. The offense looked amazing at that point. Most people over looked the pass D at that point because we had won and the final scores looked impressive.

But I'm legit looking at all the plays we were getting beat in the pass game against FAMU and Ball State and I'm thinking to myself "If these guys can get open...imagine playing a team with legit D1 athletes." Then I let the board tell me what I was seeing didn't matter. We won.

Same thing going on now, but I'm not dreadfully worried about it like I was about last years defense after the first 2 games.

This years team's concerning issue (I'm not really concerned, but it could cost us a game or two in the right situation) is play calling. That's not on the players. This is a solid squad. But they can only run the plays that are called. We go up 14 and no one can make sense of the play calling after that.

And to be honest, Im on the fence on how I feel about it. The less possessions in the game, we lower the rate in which we CAN get beat. But, if we limit the possessions too much, if we fail to score, we are in a dog fight against a VT (or whoever) team that now has confidence they can beat us. We saw this in 6 games off the top of my head last year.

For as much as the team dominated UF in the trenches yesterday, it was 13-7 midway through the 3rd....it didnt translate to points. That is going to be problematic to teams that can score points in the future (Syracuse, FSU, SMU, playoffs.)

It's just something to watch for going forward is all I'm saying. I'm not doom and gloom about it...I'd just like to see some improvement in how to attack different defenses.
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you get it
 
Beck had a bad game it happens move on. Look at qb play around cfb right now. We are in good shape compared to a lot of other teams
 
Empirical Cane said:
Ya'll don't want to hear this, but this needs to be said...

Last night's W was great for sure, one that Miami has struggled to get consistently for years and years...however...as with last season's VT and Cal games, this contest could reveal a big problem if Miami doesn't get fixed immediately...

The W against Florida wasn't secured until about 4:11 in 4Q. Despite the stats column domination by Miami, Mario Bro Ball failed to put points on the board w/ only 3/8 (38%) possessions (at that point) putting ticks on the scoreboard. The defense, like the offense last season, had to put forth heroic effort to keep Miami in the game.

Think about this...IF Miami has a miscue on the drive that put them up 19-7...and instead of scoring they fumble, failed to move sticks, etc...and then give ball back to Gheyters w/ 5-ish minutes left...

Gheyters find their footing and march downfield (just like they did 3Q) and go up 14-13...this morning is a VERY different CIS...

Does Miami have a 2 min offense to get the job done??

Now Empy, If my Aunt had a crank she'd be my Uncle right? Give yer balls a tug and enjoy the W! I get it, but remember the cracks, the big cracks, were there against VT and Cal and Louie Louie that basically telegraphed the outcomes of GT and Cuse to us...we just have to watch and listen.

Again, great dub dub by our Canes...but keep your eye on possession-to-points conversion rate going forward. Mario Bro Ball is awesome controlling clock and playing keep away, but one of the Achilles heels is if you don't score, you leave yourself very open to your opponent stealing a W at the end if they hang around just close enough...don't kid yourself...that could very well have happened last night and that drive re-establishing momentum to go up 7-19 could well be the most important drive of the game.

The Miami Hurricanes' motor is running, but the staff and players must refocus and get on the timing on cylinders set or this team is at real risk...

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I thought thr gameplan on offense should've been tossed at halftime
We dominate at the LOS and we shouldn't have let Beck drop back that much. To me that was a selfish gameplan to try and showcase Beck, and we can eat gaining 3 to 4 yards per carry. I would've been fine with a lot of running game and some underneath stuff. TE is still not used enough in this offense. Beck struggled to get to the checkdown on time and when he did he still rushed and made bad throws.

Our OL and run game is what gets our offense rolling.
 
Empirical Cane said:
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The last thing I'll add, which I hope you can appreciate and find some solace -- I don't believe our offense was cold, nor was it hot; it was warm. While they didn't have success in getting points every drive, they moved the chains and ate up enough clock to give the defense time to 'rest & adjust'.
You say the defense gave a "heroic effort", and I agree they held it down. But I don't believe they're able to achieve that without the Offense's time of possession. Complimentary football won the day, let's rejoice in that.
 
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S.CarolinaCane said:
I thought thr gameplan on offense should've been tossed at halftime
We dominate at the LOS and we shouldn't have let Beck drop back that much. To me that was a selfish gameplan to try and showcase Beck, and we can eat gaining 3 to 4 yards per carry. I would've been fine with a lot of running game and some underneath stuff. TE is still not used enough in this offense. Beck struggled to get to the checkdown on time and when he did he still rushed and made bad throws.

Our OL and run game is what gets our offense rolling.
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- 100% obvious
- Lofton showed up, the others are a fright (in a bad way so far)
- He sure did, especially on throws to RBs out of backfield
- You ****'n A it does

Beck is a distributor, not an improvisor. That isn't a criticism, it's a fact. If his first/second read isn't there, that seems where the concern sets in. Now to be clear...his "concern level of play" 95% of other teams wish they had in QB1.

I believe @OrangeBowlMagic mentioned in another thread Miami's WR struggled a bit to get separation. So that would fit into the strategy of at least how to slow Beck down...
 
Can we as a fanbase stop blaming “Mario Ball” every time the offense hits a rut? Yesterday’s game was the exact opposite of Mario Ball causing the stagnation, if anything we should’ve leaned on it even more and continued running the ball. And I say this as someone who absolutely hates the style of offense Cristobal so clearly loves.

Starting with the first down after crossing midfield on the first drive after halftime we went:

Pass
Pass
Pass
Punt

Pass (INT)

Pass
Pass
Pass
Punt

We then ran it 10/13 plays on the next drive to score a touchdown, and 4 straight runs for a touchdown on the next drive.

The offense stalled but just tossing “Mario Ball” out there is a lazy take and the same **** that every clickbaiting national media member has been saying on their podcasts
 
TwentySix said:
Can we as a fanbase stop blaming “Mario Ball” every time the offense hits a rut? Yesterday’s game was the exact opposite of Mario Ball causing the stagnation, if anything we should’ve leaned on it even more and continued running the ball. And I say this as someone who absolutely hates the style of offense Cristobal so clearly loves.

Starting with the first down after crossing midfield on the first drive after halftime we went:

Pass
Pass
Pass
Punt

Pass (INT)

Pass
Pass
Pass
Punt

We then ran it 10/13 plays on the next drive to score a touchdown, and 4 straight runs for a touchdown on the next drive.

The offense stalled but just tossing “Mario Ball” out there is a lazy take and the same **** that every clickbaiting national media member has been saying on their podcasts
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To be clear...I was not blaming Mario Bro Ball....I'm a huge fan...

I was just trying to point out the risk of controlling the clock, dominating the stats, and its 4Q/4:11 and that's only when our Canes finally put the game out of reach.

For all the domination last night, Gheyters put together one more drive (the slashed pretty easily in 3Q) and its 14-13 bad guys.

I was merely offering Mario Bro Ball + scoring is AWESOME. I'm a believer for years (it's what Bama played)

Mario Bro Ball + not scoring leaves our Canes vulnerable to the opponent hanging around and getting a lucky drive at the end, despite what the stat sheet says.


According to Webster's...
Mah-ree-oh Brō Bôl: STRONG power run game 1st w/ efficient passing to compliment; control the clock to keep the ball out of your opponent's hands to reduce their scoring opportunities
 
hurricaneman said:
They had literally one drive down the field where they ran for 70 of the 80 yards they got. What are you talking about?
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At the exact same time our offense stalled for several drives in a row. The rain was not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be and if it were, wouldn’t we need to take that into account for our defense shutting them down, too… which is not at all happening.

The offense was off. The defense was stout. We beat the Gators. We’re 4-0. Not sure why we need create these post game stories
 
Empirical Cane said:
Ya'll don't want to hear this, but this needs to be said...

Last night's W was great for sure, one that Miami has struggled to get consistently for years and years...however...as with last season's VT and Cal games, this contest could reveal a big problem if Miami doesn't get fixed immediately...

The W against Florida wasn't secured until about 4:11 in 4Q. Despite the stats column domination by Miami, Mario Bro Ball failed to put points on the board w/ only 3/8 (38%) possessions (at that point) putting ticks on the scoreboard. The defense, like the offense last season, had to put forth heroic effort to keep Miami in the game.

Think about this...IF Miami has a miscue on the drive that put them up 19-7...and instead of scoring they fumble, failed to move sticks, etc...and then give ball back to Gheyters w/ 5-ish minutes left...

Gheyters find their footing and march downfield (just like they did 3Q) and go up 14-13...this morning is a VERY different CIS...

Does Miami have a 2 min offense to get the job done??

Now Empy, If my Aunt had a crank she'd be my Uncle right? Give yer balls a tug and enjoy the W! I get it, but remember the cracks, the big cracks, were there against VT and Cal and Louie Louie that basically telegraphed the outcomes of GT and Cuse to us...we just have to watch and listen.

Again, great dub dub by our Canes...but keep your eye on possession-to-points conversion rate going forward. Mario Bro Ball is awesome controlling clock and playing keep away, but one of the Achilles heels is if you don't score, you leave yourself very open to your opponent stealing a W at the end if they hang around just close enough...don't kid yourself...that could very well have happened last night and that drive re-establishing momentum to go up 7-19 could well be the most important drive of the game.

The Miami Hurricanes' motor is running, but the staff and players must refocus and get on the timing on cylinders set or this team is at real risk...

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So let me make sure I understand what you wrote. If we had fumbled or had other bad things happen before we got well ahead we could have lost?


You really need to get this to Mario asap
 
Empirical Cane said:
To be clear...I was not blaming Mario Bro Ball....I'm a huge fan...

I was just trying to point out the risk of controlling the clock, dominating the stats, and its 4Q/4:11 and that's only when our Canes finally put the game out of reach.

For all the domination last night, Gheyters put together one more drive (the slashed pretty easily in 3Q) and its 14-13 bad guys.

I was merely offering Mario Bro Ball + scoring is AWESOME. I'm a believer for years (it's what Bama played)

Mario Bro Ball + not scoring leaves our Canes vulnerable to the opponent hanging around and getting a lucky drive at the end, despite what the stat sheet says.


According to Webster's...
Mah-ree-oh Brō Bôl: STRONG power run game 1st w/ efficient passing to compliment; control the clock to keep the ball out of your opponent's hands to reduce their scoring opportunities
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It’s not “running into the line” it’s the conservative run out the clock from kickoff, limit possessions, coach not to lose that people are discussing …

When it works it works, when it doesn’t it lets ND and UF back in the game.
 
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skyman said:
Have always said stylistically Mario ball is great in big games but over a season always good for head scratching loss also. Can go into Ohio St underdog with injuries and win going away then couple weeks later lose to Stanford. This and Nov swoon will be big to see if we can get over hump. Syracuse stylistically will be tough if they have their qb and he can scratch both off that list later in season.
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I think we'd stomp Syracuse anyway but their qb tore his achilles yesterday
 
Empirical Cane said:
To be clear...I was not blaming Mario Bro Ball....I'm a huge fan...

I was just trying to point out the risk of controlling the clock, dominating the stats, and its 4Q/4:11 and that's only when our Canes finally put the game out of reach.

For all the domination last night, Gheyters put together one more drive (the slashed pretty easily in 3Q) and its 14-13 bad guys.

I was merely offering Mario Bro Ball + scoring is AWESOME. I'm a believer for years (it's what Bama played)

Mario Bro Ball + not scoring leaves our Canes vulnerable to the opponent hanging around and getting a lucky drive at the end, despite what the stat sheet says.
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It obviously wouldn't have been ideal had they scored a TD after the pick, but I don't think it would have changed anything. Doubt you'd have gotten good odds on Miami money line in Vegas had that happened.

We wouldn't have changed a thing we did on the next drive. We still would have run the ball down their throats while mixing in some swing passes.

@TwentySix spot on. Game stayed tight in second half after refs stole a TD from us because we kept throwing the ball. Then we ran the ball 14 times in 17 plays and we pulled away
 
Also not trying to be negative but the punts inside UF territory was so *****. That o was dead to rights. Should have been four down territory. Until someone shows me we can consistently down it inside the 5 on a punt
 
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