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Last Night's Solid Win...But We Need To Talk...

Hurricane23 said:
CJ Daniels was wide open for a long TD on one play, but Beck didn’t see him, he instead threw a incompletion, I expect a Veteran QB like Beck to see that play, on the interception to Cormani he didn’t lead the receiver enough, I’m sure he’ll see this on film and get better
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That play to Bauman? in the flats (who wasn't even looking) was a drive killer as well.

On a bright note, good on Lofton for showing up. Played very well.
 
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#1cane said:
If Miami is going to burn so much clock on drives they have to come away with 7. Coming away with 3 just wont get it against a really good team. You get 2 FG's and burn 12 minutes of clock then the opponent burns 4 minutes and gets 7. Score TD's especially in the red zone. Problem solved. The Brown TD being called back on the penalty really changed the game with Miami getting no points on the drive.
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You get it.
 
pacusmc said:
I’m not a football expert. But even the most elite special ops units debrief and criticize their performance after operations even when successful. I guarantee you that if I’m a mope about last night’s performance; Mario and the coaches are being super mopey right now.

It’s the only way you keep the tools sharp.

However, it’s extremely ironic that the bro fyzical game that people criticized is what actually got us through this game.

Not being able to close out some of these drives makes the game look closer than it was but it also gave a team that was gonna quit a reason not to.

That last touchdown drive was what was gonna happen in the second quarter if our center wasn’t fckng up.

Confidence can make average look elite for a few snaps. Momentum can demoralize a weeker team.

We gave them hope and they tried to capitalize. The momentum they had was reinforced by a turnover.
Our defense stepped up and the identity of this team that has been forged in the last 3 years rose to the occasion.

We knew they would quit. But our mistakes prolonged their decision to do so.
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Because you and I have been in de-briefs and muppets, well...

Muppets are Muppets.
 
Empirical Cane said:
With the margin for error at ZERO (in my opinion to make CFPO)...the O going "cold", or any deficiency that is seen, needs to be dispassionately and ruthlessly analyzed and fixed.

In Space, no one can you hear you scream.
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But that's what you're failing to realize; the offense didn't go cold, the passing game did. And as other's repeatedly point out, we had a breakaway TD called back for no other reason than the official's ineptitude.
If you actually believe the passing game will wind up as a weak spot on our team throughout the year then I can't help you.
 

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Imperfect team, can hang with anyone on our best day. Our two best players on offense in the spring have goose eggs for stats (Lyle and trader). Lofton is just coming on. Next two weeks will be huge for us. If we play disciplined on defense we can really send a message 10/4
 
TrojanCane said:
But that's what you're failing to realize; the offense didn't go cold, the passing game did. And as other's repeatedly point out, we had a breakaway TD called back for no other reason than the official's ineptitude.
If you actually believe the passing game will wind up as a weak spot on our team throughout the year then I can't help you.
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Friend...you might want to re-read what I porsted orginally...

Then re-read what you porsted above and take an opportunity to edit it...

"the offense didn't go cold, the passing game did..." uhmm...uhmm

yes, the breakaway TD (1st down btw) was called back...they still failed to score a FG or continue driving for a TD afterwards... my point stands

I never said the passing game, or any part of the O was weak... I merely offered for polite discussion 3/8 possession-to-points conversion is something to watch...

I can help with that!

😱
 
ArchersFury said:
Ah yes the classic you responded so i win post.
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"It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it."
- Maurice Switzer

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I'd read, Mrs Goose, Her Book, before porsting again.
 
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Empirical Cane said:
Friend...pointing out a possible trend to watch isn't moping...

I said it multiple times...our Canes have lost games like these over and over past 20 years and last night they didn't...that is encouraging progress...

It's ok to watch the game and look to areas of concern and where they can get even better...where we can all discuss...

Go Canes.
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I mean...I can agree with you brother. But not every team plays perfect but will find ways to win. We've played literally near flawless football up to last night and Beck looked pedestrian last night...he owed us one but I think that'll be one of the few games we get mediocre play out of him.
 
Ya Boi said:
I mean...I can agree with you brother. But not every team plays perfect but will find ways to win. We've played literally near flawless football up to last night and Beck looked pedestrian last night...he owed us one but I think that'll be one of the few games we get mediocre play out of him.
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Did Beck look pedestrian though??

I dunno...something was "off" but I think an overall G Town Funk w/ the O on several drives?

Yes Beck had some questionable throws to checkdowns.

The tips on the OL? Bauman not even looking as the ball comes to him?

Daniels "The Magnet" with an easy catch and he drops the 1st down?

They went "flat/cold" then that 2d to last 4Q drive said, "enough of this ****, let's end them"...

Like I said, the puckering in the stadium went up a touch on Corman's pick (why him!!!)

But..our Canes got it done!!!
 
DubCaliCane said:
Last year, we played horrible and needed the refs to bail us out to win by a small margin.

This year, our QB, TE, WR, and C all played their worst game of the season and we covered the spread by three scores against a defense that only let up 13 points off of 4 picks to LSU.

There is no correlation.
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I thought Lofton played really well...the other TEs were cheeky cheeks.
 
Empirical Cane is absolutely right.

And we may need to have more tempo at Doak Campbell. Gus Malzahn is probably planning some inventive scoring stuff for our defense and we MUST stay ahead of the curve.

If we try to play Caveman Ball with FSU, we will lose.
 
Empirical Cane said:
Friend...you might want to re-read what I porsted orginally...

Then re-read what you porsted above and take an opportunity to edit it...

"the offense didn't go cold, the passing game did..." uhmm...uhmm

yes, the breakaway TD (1st down btw) was called back...they still failed to score a FG or continue driving for a TD afterwards... my point stands

I never said the passing game, or any part of the O was weak... I merely offered for polite discussion 3/8 possession-to-points conversion is something to watch...

I can help with that!

😱
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This was a UF defense that allowed 2 total touchdowns all season. We scored 3 with 1 called back. The only alarm you should be sounding is a Hurricane Warning.
 
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TheU1984 said:
I get what you’re saying, Empy. But we saw more than cracks in last year’s teams after four weeks. We saw gaping wounds. Not even close at the moment. Passing game is definitely something to keep an eye on though.
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This is mostly true. Because I'm too lazy to go pull receipts....I'm going to give half the board (the pom pomers) a pass in references. But this board was on fire after the first 4 games after Ball State. The offense looked amazing at that point. Most people over looked the pass D at that point because we had won and the final scores looked impressive.

But I'm legit looking at all the plays we were getting beat in the pass game against FAMU and Ball State and I'm thinking to myself "If these guys can get open...imagine playing a team with legit D1 athletes." Then I let the board tell me what I was seeing didn't matter. We won.

Same thing going on now, but I'm not dreadfully worried about it like I was about last years defense after the first 2 games.

This years team's concerning issue (I'm not really concerned, but it could cost us a game or two in the right situation) is play calling. That's not on the players. This is a solid squad. But they can only run the plays that are called. We go up 14 and no one can make sense of the play calling after that.

And to be honest, Im on the fence on how I feel about it. The less possessions in the game, we lower the rate in which we CAN get beat. But, if we limit the possessions too much, if we fail to score, we are in a dog fight against a VT (or whoever) team that now has confidence they can beat us. We saw this in 6 games off the top of my head last year.

For as much as the team dominated UF in the trenches yesterday, it was 13-7 midway through the 3rd....it didnt translate to points. That is going to be problematic to teams that can score points in the future (Syracuse, FSU, SMU, playoffs.)

It's just something to watch for going forward is all I'm saying. I'm not doom and gloom about it...I'd just like to see some improvement in how to attack different defenses.
 
Empirical Cane said:
My point was this thematically...

For 5 drives, our Canes made some progress, controlled the ball, etc.. etc...but came up with 0 points.

Nada.

Was it a passing game let down? Run game let down? I dunno.

But from the overall strategy of winning the game, the Gheyters were still very much alive until that score at 4Q/4:11.

Did it feel like it though? Nope. Our Canes were dominating them up and down, but they were clinging to 7-13.

Like the O last year with heroics that masked let downs on D, last night was tbe inverse.

2001 Miami did same thing against BC, but it was a one off. I'd look to last night's Offensive doldrums to also be a one off.

Go Canes.
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VT was a dropped 2 point conversion from going to OT that season too though. It's tough to go through a season without issues.

Your point is extremely valid though and I agree with you. I hope they will work on executing better with a lead and opening things up a bit. Although with the drops and Beck's off night, they probably made the right decision last night. It is extremely frustrating to dominate games except on the scoreboard. My cardiologist is not pleased.
 
I agree with this honestly. A lot of people so desperate to get wins over down ND and UF teams that they’re overlooking the fact that we’re leaving an unsustainable amount of points on the board. Neither of these games should have been close at any point in the 4th quarter.

There’s a real lack of killer instinct in the playcalling. But a lot of back-patting for the strategy, particularly of the Notre Dame game, when it came down to an unproven college kicker making a high pressure 48 yarder, or were going to OT in a game we dominated.

I’m happy with what I’ve seen. We’re clearly really good and the talent and physicality is gonna cover for a lot. But I just haven’t seen the no brainer dominance everybody else is talking about and I’m not sure we’ve played an excellent team yet. Can’t wait to see how the season develops. I’d rather be 4-0 than anything, but there’s some game management stuff that I’ll always just have to chalk up to Mario tax.
 
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