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cyrez8 said:
What it takes can't be learned? What?! The idea that great head coaches are just born out of thin air is nuts.

Let's talk about Bill Belichick some more. How was his first head coaching stint? Do you think he learned anything before his second opportunity?

Tons of people have referenced Dabo's first year.

What about Bill Walsh?

What about Urban who finished 3rd in a pathetic conference two years in a row at BG?

Have you seen Nick Saban's record his first 4 years at Michigan St? It's embarrassing

The list can go on and on

Will Manny succeed? Who knows. But calling for his head after his 5th game coaching is premature and shows a total lack of understanding in regards to what it takes to be a successful HC.
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cyrez8 said:
What it takes can't be learned? What?! The idea that great head coaches are just born out of thin air is nuts.

Let's talk about Bill Belichick some more. How was his first head coaching stint? Do you think he learned anything before his second opportunity?

Tons of people have referenced Dabo's first year.

What about Bill Walsh?

What about Urban who finished 3rd in a pathetic conference two years in a row at BG?

Have you seen Nick Saban's record his first 4 years at Michigan St? It's embarrassing

The list can go on and on

Will Manny succeed? Who knows. But calling for his head after his 5th game coaching is premature and shows a total lack of understanding in regards to what it takes to be a successful HC.
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Yes, great coaches don't start out great. Unfortunately our problem is that we tend to get them when they start out. Maybe Manny's the next Bill Belichick. We get him though as first year Bill, not 2019 Bill.
 
cyrez8 said:
I'm a 49ers fan. He was hot garbage in year 1 and look at the performance his team just put on MNF. To be frank, he was hot garbage in year 2 as well but has the team shining in year 3.

Manny has failed miserably this year thus far but we're a decent kicker from being undefeated or at worst 4-1. Think about that for a second.

Changes need to be made: Butch Barry who is a joke and this is on Diaz because he let Enos hand pick him from his CMU days. But this is Manny's first year ever as a HC and I think it would be prudent to reserve judgment on him at least until year 2. And when I say reserve judgment, I'm not saying avoiding being critical bc like I just said, Manny's looked like a HC way in over his head.

However, is he capable of learning and bettering himself and his team? I still think so. Only time will tell.
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Explain this. What exactly did Shanahan do or not do that was "hot garbage"? Nothing about his scheme and playcalls has changed. Even when they were losing anyone who studied film praised Shanahan for his run concepts and fusion of run&pass game. They were losing in spite of his coaching, and now they are overachieving thanks to his coaching. His offenses have an identity and they consistently scheme guys open. The only difference now is talent with Garoppolo healthy, better receivers and better defense with Bosa and new LBs.

This is why I evaluate process over results. And I hate to break it to you but the process behind this Miami team is in line with the results, if not worse. There are coaching failures evident everywhere you look. This is an 11-1 roster with competent coaching and it's 2-3 right now. That doesn't happen without actively destructive corching.
 
cyrez8 said:
I'm a 49ers fan. He was hot garbage in year 1 and look at the performance his team just put on MNF. To be frank, he was hot garbage in year 2 as well but has the team shining in year 3.

Manny has failed miserably this year thus far but we're a decent kicker from being undefeated or at worst 4-1. Think about that for a second.

Changes need to be made: Butch Barry who is a joke and this is on Diaz because he let Enos hand pick him from his CMU days. But this is Manny's first year ever as a HC and I think it would be prudent to reserve judgment on him at least until year 2. And when I say reserve judgment, I'm not saying avoiding being critical bc like I just said, Manny's looked like a HC way in over his head.

However, is he capable of learning and bettering himself and his team? I still think so. Only time will tell.
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We beat UNV and VT by a combined 60+ points last year with a pedestrian offense and a burnt out HC. VT lost a lot of players in the offseason and are worst this year with a DC who's going to retire after this season. UNC is breaking in a whole new staff. Miss me with the if we had a kicker we'd be undefeated. UNC and VT shouldn't have even been close games. Do you care to explain Central Michigan?
 
cyrez8 said:
What it takes can't be learned? What?! The idea that great head coaches are just born out of thin air is nuts.

Let's talk about Bill Belichick some more. How was his first head coaching stint? Do you think he learned anything before his second opportunity?

Tons of people have referenced Dabo's first year.

What about Bill Walsh?

What about Urban who finished 3rd in a pathetic conference two years in a row at BG?

Have you seen Nick Saban's record his first 4 years at Michigan St? It's embarrassing

The list can go on and on

Will Manny succeed? Who knows. But calling for his head after his 5th game coaching is premature and shows a total lack of understanding in regards to what it takes to be a successful HC.
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Agreed, Also He was not great in his first season at Alabama either.

Alabama closed the season with a victory over Colorado in the Independence Bowl and finished the season with a winning record at 7-6 in Saban's first season. As A. Rogers would say RELEX .....
 
Too soon to really take anything major away (just not very good, especially in trenches). ST continues to have a glaring problem.. along with our lack of creativity on offense. Nothing against Enos, this just isn't the offense that fits Miami best IMO (prefer spread based). Defense lacks speed, very average when we aren't creating TO's. Changing this loser mentality & weak culture is a big task. Same with fixing our developmental/talent issues. Tough job for any coach.. almost impossible for one cutting his teeth.

Puncher's chance at best he survives. That's on the BOT/AD, not Manny. Setup for failure.
 
zx7oppa said:
Agreed, Also He was not great in his first season at Alabama either.

Alabama closed the season with a victory over Colorado in the Independence Bowl and finished the season with a winning record at 7-6 in Saban's first season. As A. Rogers would say RELEX .....
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People always want to mention Saban's first year. But what they also fail to mention is that they had a better record his first year than the previous year. He improved over the previous coach's record. Manny ain't doing that this year. In fact he may have the worse record since Randy's first year and we need three wins just to match that. If we somehow only manage to get 4 wins, it would be the worst record since 1977. Even in our probation years we managed to win at least 5 games.
 
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zx7oppa said:
Agreed, Also He was not great in his first season at Alabama either.

Alabama closed the season with a victory over Colorado in the Independence Bowl and finished the season with a winning record at 7-6 in Saban's first season. As A. Rogers would say RELEX .....
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I didn't know we still have porsters pushing the Saban and Bama narrative. I thought almost almost all the Potatoes understood why this has NO IMPACT on Miami and Manny.

So porster...Are you aware of what Saban accomplished before Alabama?
 
Manny doesn’t get a draft and free agency. He has to go and convince kids to come play here. Which he sucks at. This is the best roster he will have and we are 2-3 vs. bad teams
 
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AUcane said:
Only difference is that Kyle is a brilliant offensive coach. Is manny brilliant at anything?
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Manny is a pretty solid DC mind - now we're going to try and take that away from him? He very likely may fail here as a HC but he'll be a power 5 DC the second he's fired
 
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305407cane said:
Kyle Shanahan was running 21 personnel with a fullback in the I-formation and called an incredible TD drive. I was laughing while watching that thinking about how Enos was probably watching and yanking his crank to that
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It looked great. It's been very successful. Likewise with the Patriots using a fullback especially last season down the stretch of the title run.

One of the dedicated websites like Football Outsiders or Pro Football Focus was attempting to mock the use of the fullback and basic formations since the 49ers were so far out of whack with any other team. But they had to concede in a recent article that the results per play have been very successful and well above the expected norm.

Anyway, the 49ers loaded the defensive line with one premier draft pick after another. It's finally paying dividends. They look like a college team with unfair advantage of 5 star recruits across the front wall. Plus now the 49ers are in ascendancy mode which is most fun of all. You are wildly confident and often the results are ridiculously favorable.
 
It's not the fact that we have lost games. It's that the team looks incompetent in so many phases. There is zero excuse to come out of both the bye weeks and fall behind by double digits in the first quarter. What do they work on in practice?

If Manny can turn it around then great. All I want is to win and look good doing it. But this season so far has the stink of bad coaching written all over it.
 
The NFL is a different animal.

NFL players are the best in the world, making millions of dollars a year, even tens of millions. The best players approach the game as a 24x7x365 job. They're not limited to 20 hours a week. Teams operate with the same financial restraints and framework.
 
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