Khairi Clark commits to UF

2. They landed more than that but the key is not landing, it is developing the kids

It becomes very difficult to "develop" DT's when your roster doesn't contain any DT's.

We have them, we have 8 on the roster for 2013.

Robinson, Porter, Pierre, Ivery, Moore and King. Plus we have Grimble and hamilton who can play DT. That is 8 scholarships at a position where you have two on the field. How many should we have? 12?

The issue is development, I think we have an issue there.
 
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**** ill commit at DT. I've never played a down of football but UM is my dream school so develop my fat ***.
 
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Sorry, sat through 10 years and 2 full regimes of this post. This isn't brilliant mature commentary from a level-headed scholar regardless of what you're telling yourself, it's rehashed failure rationalization. No disrespect intended.

Failure rationalization, good one. Domesday Panic would be a good way to describe your post.
I think you failed to understand my point.

Here it is again

If we miss big kids and sign others then we will ultimately be hudged by the success or failure from the development of those players.

But feel free to disagree.

Yeah, you should move on from worrying about me, I'm just not interested in your posts on this. No disrespect intended.
 
Yes. First we thought it was unimaginable to lose Bostwick. Then we surpassed all levels of fail previously thought possible letting Morschamp take Moten from STA. Now we've gone full ludicrous spread and lost a 5star kid from Chaminade Madonna whose parents are season ticket holders at a position where we've taken 2 kids in 3 years. My daughter's yorkshire terrier could out-recruit this bull****.

So you think it is bc of lack of effort?

I don't care what it is. There are 20,000 coaches who could do better at the University of Miami than land a grand total of Ivery and Moore in 3 years and then lose a 5 star season ticket holder from Chaminade.

Okay a few things

1. No disrespect but you sound like a child and you're supposed to be a Mod. I am not going to preach about "NSD is X months away" or "the gaytors paid the kid." He likely will go to UF and we will need to find someone else. With that said I assure you the staff is not losing kids like Moten, M. Thomas or Clark for lack of effort. I am not making excuses, in the end the staff will fail or succeed by how well they recruit and develop (the development is key).

2. They landed more than that but the key is not landing, it is developing the kids. A few kids UM has signed in the past have turned out to be bums that were highly recruited (i.e Marcus Forston), that doesn't mean that every 5 star will be a bum and this isnt a stars argument. It means IMO that even if you sign them you must develop them. The development determines the success, stud DTs who cant be developed will result in failure for the staff just like landing unknown projects at the position and failing to developing those projects.

3. Miami will live and die by their success or failure at the line. It is the most important position, so if they are not landing XYX they better land replacements and develop those players.

Outside of Pierre #3 has been non existent. This year and next are gonna be vital for judging the coaches ability to develop, or lack of ability.

Correct and this will determine their success at the position.
 
Golden and Co. will be judged by the results generated by the players they recruit. Huh. Guess I never really thought about it that way.

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The best recruiting tool is Sept 8....Sept 8...Sept 8...Sept 8....Sept 8....Sept 8....Sept 8.....Sept 8....Sept 8....Sept 8! Recruits are impressed by results! #Sept8

*End this thread, he's no different than (Collins, Bostick, Michel, Thomas, Bryant, etc...)

Duke Johnson- "We all we got, we all we need"!!!!!
 

Sorry, sat through 10 years and 2 full regimes of this post. This isn't brilliant mature commentary from a level-headed scholar regardless of what you're telling yourself, it's rehashed failure rationalization. No disrespect intended.

Failure rationalization, good one. Domesday Panic would be a good way to describe your post.
I think you failed to understand my point.

Here it is again

If we miss big kids and sign others then we will ultimately be hudged by the success or failure from the development of those players.

But feel free to disagree.

Yeah, you should move on from worrying about me, I'm just not interested in your posts on this. No disrespect intended.

That is fine.
 
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What the ****? I don't get this one at all. Al has to flip this one , whipping that gator *** in Sept will help
 
2. They landed more than that but the key is not landing, it is developing the kids

It becomes very difficult to "develop" DT's when your roster doesn't contain any DT's.

We have them, we have 8 on the roster for 2013.

Robinson, Porter, Pierre, Ivery, Moore and King. Plus we have Grimble and hamilton who can play DT. That is 8 scholarships at a position where you have two on the field. How many should we have? 12?

The issue is development, I think we have an issue there.

Wait.

Miami seemingly can't recruit DT's with enough god given talent to succeed regardless of scheme or staff. AND they have coaches that can't extract talent out of lesser known and unheralded prospects? You're preaching calm then why exactly?
 
the dt wilkerson from temple sure had trouble with goldens scheme. why would any dt want what he got
















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Why don't you ask any of the big time DT recruits from the 2011, 2012, or 2013 class?

no need, I see proof from a 2 star who bought in. what does bama run? what does over half the nfl run. yuo do your thing in this scheme you get paid.

So all UM has to do is cherrypick absolute prototypical DL talents, hand them over to maybe the best S&C program in the country, and they'll be successful? Whew. That's a relief. I thought you were going to suggest something wholly unrealistic.


So Wilkerson was cherry picked? I am the type ,if someone in my field of work can do something , I beleive can do it better. Hence the Wilkerson reference. So what are you saying the system is a failure? Sure the dt recruiting looks like fail at this point. Or are you saying um dt recruiting is hopeless or what.
 
2. They landed more than that but the key is not landing, it is developing the kids

It becomes very difficult to "develop" DT's when your roster doesn't contain any DT's.

We have them, we have 8 on the roster for 2013.

Robinson, Porter, Pierre, Ivery, Moore and King. Plus we have Grimble and hamilton who can play DT. That is 8 scholarships at a position where you have two on the field. How many should we have? 12?

The issue is development, I think we have an issue there.

Wait.

Miami seemingly can't recruit DT's with enough god given talent to succeed regardless of scheme or staff. AND they have coaches that can't extract talent out of lesser known and unheralded prospects? You're preaching calm then why exactly?

My issue is development. I think we have a major issue there. So even if we brought in the best 5 star recruits at the position, Jethro couldn't develop them. I don't think he is the guy. This is my point, I want these 5 star beasts but due to our current DL coach I don't think it matters.
 
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Golden and Co. will be judged by the results generated by the players they recruit. Huh. Guess I never really thought about it that way.

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Don't stop him, he's on a roll.

Wow, you both are amazing. No one is jerking off to losing Clark. We need Clark, Moten etc. but I am so concerned with the coaching at the position (DEVELOPMENT) that I can't really get past the missing on Clark.

Does that make sense?
 
Your correct, they have season tickets

ughh fo realz

Yes. First we thought it was unimaginable to lose Bostwick. Then we surpassed all levels of fail previously thought possible letting Morschamp take Moten from STA. Now we've gone full ludicrous spread and lost a 5star kid from Chaminade Madonna whose parents are season ticket holders at a position where we've taken 2 kids in 3 years. My daughter's yorkshire terrier could out-recruit this bull****.

So you think it is bc of lack of effort?

I don't care what it is. There are 20,000 coaches who could do better at the University of Miami than land a grand total of Ivery and Moore in 3 years and then lose a 5 star season ticket holder from Chaminade.

Get real. We had trouble getting a coach since JJ. Butch was an assistant. Coaker, well he was Coaker, Randy got hired cause he worked cheap-- a ton of coaches turned down the job. Only Butch could recruit and he was much on coaching(not talking about development). I agree that the DT situation is unbearable, but at every other level, Golden is recruiting the crap out of this situation. I too prefer our old 4-3 but given the fact that we haven't had a decent DT in a decade, perhaps we should go to a 3 -4. We won our first title with a 5-2(not much different that 3-4). We are in the best shape at qb since Ken. We can talk D all day but we won all our titles because of having the right QB! Maybe it is not the coaching staff but rather the *** Extra Cash conference. Or in UF's case, Serial Extreme Crime school. This has been a great day. Enjoy it. By the way, can anyone tell me who played DT on the first Cane NC team?
 
DT is obviously the biggest hole we have on the roster, the staff knows it, they gotta be letting these kids know it too. So i dont know what the ******* problem is here, honestly. Jethro obviously isnt a good recruiter. But cot **** gimmie something
 
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