Key Factor Being Overlooked in the QB Race

Now that the pads are on, the QB's will have a bit of time to synch up their passing game with receivers going balls out, and then we'll have scrimmages demonstrating Who-Hit-John.

We may see two QB's against UF. I know we have to go with a "starter" after two weeks - but that term "starter" doesn't mean the same thing as "finisher."
 
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Jarren has to overcome the stigma that he is lazy and a bit of a malcontent. It can be done. I don't think he lost the trust of the staff last season.

Perry has to overcome a loss of trust, as he was handed the keys to the kingdom last year and f#cked it up royally. It wasn't just the UVA meltdown, every qb has one of those games. He just didn't show any desire to improve after blowing it (and it wasn't just a matter of bad reads, he was deliberately ignoring Richt). Then, of course, he makes a sextape and posts it on the internet. As the DC, Manny had to feel somewhat betrayed by Perry. The guy who was supposed to be the leader of the team was sabotaging a defense that played its heart out. We are only a few months removed from that. I don't think Diaz is going to be able to forgive and forget that quickly.
You sound like the saboteur.
 
Love it when fans say they don't trust QBX or QBY :rk5i6fxwjlgev5j6.jpg: ...they're not on the field with them.

The team and coaches could give a sh*t about what someone on the outside thinks........because it's all about who THEY trust and who they feel is the best ....nothing else.

They are the ones who see the QB's every day in different situations. They know what's real and what's irrelevant. They are the ones that know who the best leader and most productive QB on the field is.

This isn't a PR war...... It's about what is best for the team to win.....not about who the fans like best

I'll trust the judgement of Enos and Diaz....because it's their jobs that are actually on the line
 
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I don't think it's that hard of a decision. DCs who become new HCs generally choose the most mobile QB.

Perry runs a 4.86 40
Tate runs a 4.59 40

Idea is that the team is led by the defense, and QBs job is to give the D time to rest and not turn ball over. QBs who can run drive DCs crazy. TDs are gravy, but a winning stat line is

15/23
2 TDs , 0 INTs
190 yards passing
60 yards rushing

A QB doesn't have to be DeShaun Watson to put up those types of numbers. What matters is efficiency and trust that the QB will precisely execute the gameplan. Perry went off script last year, and Diaz is fully aware of that (he was there, after all).

Martell is likely the starter unless he totally flops the rest of the offseason.
When Jimmy Johnson was head coach, we had our biggest problems with athletic QBs. Despite our highly-regarded defenses, I remember a lot of very mobile QBs giving our great defenses fits.

With a questionable OL, I think that an advantage goes to Tate. Still, at least one other QB will play a lot. Despite Manny saying no to a two QB system, I think one of the others will see a lot of time.
 
Completely agree with the points you made, which is why I do think Tate and Jarren have an advantage as of now in the overall race. There's always going to be that fear of N'Kosi going back to his old ways if he's the starter and the team starts rolling. He has to put in a ton of work to show he's not that guy anymore.

I also think Jarren really just lost the incentive to do anything last year. When the two guys in front of you are playing like garbage and you still can't get on the field, it shakes your confidence. At that point, he realized no amount of practice or work would matter, so in his mind why do anything to begin with?

Diaz could have sent N’kosi packing with a bus ticket and a c note as soon as Tate enrolled.

He didn’t.

He could have buried N’Kosi on the depth chart in spring and have Tate and Jarren the lion’s share of first team reps.

He didn’t.

Looks like Diaz is much more forgiving than you think.

Diaz did EXACTLY what he should have done. He threw out the past , designated the quarterback position open for the taking and gave all the quarterbacks a fair shot to compete and earn the job based on the NOW.

It doesn’t get any better than that. That is how you earn your player’s respect. No prejudice and no favorites. If you EARN the job, it is yours. Doesn’t matter if you are 5th year senior or true freshman.
 
I want to see what the other two who lose the battle do afterwards. Does anyone seek transfer? Martel has already transferred once and Williams flirted with transferring out after a redshirt year. Does Perry say **** it and go back to clowning? With the battle being this close it will likely go into the season as well (unless the winner lights it up) so who continues to work and stays ready for their shot?

I have a hard time seeing Jarren stay, but I hope I am wrong.

N’kosi seems to be different. I think he enjoys being in Miami. If he bonds with Enos, I could see him sticking around to compete for the job in 2020 unless the starter completely locks up the position. He would develop another year under Enos and grad transfer to start somewhere else 2021. He is a good student. He may graduate early and get two years somewhere else. I don’t think he leaves Miami without his degree.

I have NO idea what Tate would do if he gets beat out. If it’s N’kosi, I think he fights. If it’s Jarren, I think he transfers. But I feel less comfortable making a prediction on him.

My hope is they all love Enos and try to fight for the job and stay at least through 2020. Especially Jarren. He has a lot of years to start for the team. No reason to sit for someone else when you got one of the best qb coaches around.
 
I have a hard time seeing Jarren stay, but I hope I am wrong.

N’kosi seems to be different. I think he enjoys being in Miami. If he bonds with Enos, I could see him sticking around to compete for the job in 2020 unless the starter completely locks up the position. He would develop another year under Enos and grad transfer to start somewhere else 2021. He is a good student. He may graduate early and get two years somewhere else. I don’t think he leaves Miami without his degree.

I have NO idea what Tate would do if he gets beat out. If it’s N’kosi, I think he fights. If it’s Jarren, I think he transfers. But I feel less comfortable making a prediction on him.

My hope is they all love Enos and try to fight for the job and stay at least through 2020. Especially Jarren. He has a lot of years to start for the team. No reason to sit for someone else when you got one of the best qb coaches around.

Some good points here. Things that these kids don't look at when they transfer is they have to sit a year and while they are sitting someone else is actually on the field. You never know what will happen. Look at Jack Allison. Sat out a transfer year, then Grier became an All Conference guy while he had to sit. Which meant he had to sit a second year behind Grier. Now he's in a fight to win the job as a 4th year Junior vs another highly recruited tranfer. The grass isn't always greener.
 
Tate reminds me a lot of Tebow. Not a great arm but he just knows how to win. He just has that instinct. I know we only have high school to go off of with Tate, but I just get that vibe from him.
 
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I wonder if jarren can make plays when the pocket breaks down, considering our o line and grantham is very blitz happy. If jarren has time he can torch the gayturds with his arm, but tate seems to have all the intangibles in spades, plus his agility to run around and buy the o line time is a huge plus. Gonna be a tough choice for Manolo & Enos.

Jarren clocked 20mph the other day
 
I speculated the same thing then. My guess is that it came down to two factors:

1) Miami didn’t become Bowl eligible until Week 11, so Richt wasn’t risking putting him in against staryets
2) Attitude. Jarren was supposedly ready to transfer the week of the Bowl game, but if that mindset went back to the latter part of the season I could also see Richt not wanting to waste any developmental time on him

He should have played, it couldn't have been any worse!
 
Wasn't Jarren also suspended a game for violating team rules? Could be another factor outside of our QB position being completely mismanaged by the Richts but I can't fault them for not putting a kid was too busy pouting in the game.

Wouldn't you be pouting if you was sitting behind Rosier last year?
 
Interesting post.

I agree that Martell's the default starter unless he flops. The coaches may not have decided that but it's a vibe I get, just a gut hunch based on what's been written.

I will disagree on the flat out speed thing. Elusiveness and the ability to read a pocket as it develops, or otherwise collapses, is by far and away more important than top-end speed tho.

The most important thing for a QB is to be able to pass the ball, which means putting it on the money as often as possible. Martell seems to be inconsistent doing this and it clearly isn't his forte. It is Williams' forte, apparently, as the reports on him almost always state that his passes are right on the money, and from a report on the recent practices sent by a friend I read this again today.

A fast "run prone" QB can actually be a detriment in this way. Josh Allen is one type in the NFL, he relies way to much on his running ability and often takes off long before he has to, or misses open receivers and runs instead over-relying on running, because he can. I would strongly suggest that this is a significant risk with Martell.

So while I believe that the competition is Martell's to lose, and while I'm not practice/camp junkie by any measure, I'd rather have the best pure passer in there.

Dorsey had -79 yards rushing at The U, on 59 carries, and a mere 2 rushing TDs, and I'd take him in a NY second over any on the roster now. Unless there's something wrong with Williams' head/attitude, which I haven't read about, I'd strongly suggest that he's the best option to beat anyone. If we have to rely on a running QB, AHEM, Rozier, then we're probably in trouble to begin with. I wouldn't trade an iota of passing ability and pocket/field awareness for any rushing ability whatsoever.

Put the best pure passer on the team in there and let him go. Although in agreeing with you on Martell, I'm not sure that's going to happen. I would love to have heard the conversation and sales pitch involved in getting Martell here. But IMO he's overrated, perhaps not severely, but overrated nonetheless.




Good stuff! LOL
I agree with all of this but we have to remember, Our OL isn't as dominant as it once was that Dorsey had.. Tate has a lot of advantages on his side in this race. If JW or Kosi flat out beat Tate I'm fine with that as the best man should win. But if no one separated themselves from the pack I think it goes to Tate. A dynamic QB will help out the ground game in so many ways, which in turn will open up the passing game. I just rewatched some spring game highlights and there was A LOT of pressure on the QBs in a hurry which obviously favors one over the others.
 
Not really. The most important thing is a qb who keeps the chains moving, whether by passing or running. Mike Vick wasn't even a 59% passer in his college career and it's well known that the OC essentially had to eliminate half the field for him as Vick was terrible at reading a defense. He was just so much more athletic than the rest of the players that he could pick up a first down with his legs at will.

In 2017, Malik Rosier threw nearly 415 passes. The most Vick ever threw in a season was 179. As a matter of fact, in the two years Vick played QB at VT, he only threw 332 passes. In 2000 he threw 9 TDs, 7 INTs with a 54.2% completion percentage. That's absolutely horrendous. Yet VT finished 11-1.

And no, for those lacking reading comprehension, I'm not comparing Martell to Vick. I'm pointing out that it didn't really matter that Vick was **** poor at passing the ball (which some say is the most important thing for a QB), he moved the chains and VT nearly went undefeated.

Yeah, I hear ya, but what I meant was that rushing/scrambling ability is not going to overcome subpar passing as such.

We've always had very good RBs and no real need for running QBs. QBs scramble when they "get in trouble" or can't find open receivers, or simply aren't great passers.

I'm getting the impression that this job was Martell's to lose. As I'm viewing it, all of the formal team statements seem to be tailored to Martell's strengths almost as if they're building the case for his starting.

JW appears to be the far more poslished passer and Martell's proven absolutely nothing thus far much less that he's a better pure pocket passer than JW. I don't see JW sticking around if he's not going to start, which would be the tragedy IMO if Martell's not all that, and I'll be money that he won't be.

If you look at the four teams in the championship games you'll notice that three of the four had prolific pocket passers despite the fact that Murray ran also. It wasn't his primary contribution by a long shot having logged over 4,000 passing yards and 42 passing TDs. In fact, Taguavaloa and Lawrence didn't run much at all and neither did Book. But Book wasn't a great passer which is largely why ND got decimated against Bama.

Gotta have a prototypical pocket passer in order to win a NC these days.
 
There is one factor I think a lot of us have been overlooking in this QB race, and that's the trust factor. Whoever ends up being our starting QB is going to be the face of this team. They're going to be the leader, the guy whom the coaches are literally giving the keys to, and ultimately the single most important playmaker that'll determine whether we succeed or flounder. That's a big weight for any player, especially those with a less consistent record off the field.

In looking at this factor, it's clear that N'Kosi Perry has had a lot of groundwork to make up. Before Manny became HC, by all accounts, N'Kosi was clowning around here for two years. He built up a massive trust deficit with the last coaching staff and inherited that deficit with the new one. Make no mistake, N'Kosi has made a good effort to use this clean slate to start anew, and he hasn't caused any trouble off the field and by all accounts is working much harder.

I'm not an insider, or guy with sources, but I do have a few friends that were plugged into UM's greek life and party scene over the past two years. N'Kosi was a regular, to say the least, and we all know his off the fieldwork ethic and conduct wasn't great until El Jefe established a new order. All college students party, but as a potential starting QB for the Canes, N'Kosi didn't hold himself to the higher standard needed. N'Kosi's made a ton of progress on and off the field, and he could very well be our starter on 8/24, but until he consistently proves otherwise there's always going to be that fear that he'll revert to bad conduct. He has to put in an extra level of work to overcome that trust deficit he built over two years. Considering talent, if N'Kosi can put it all together, he'll be deadly. Winning best QB of spring is a great start.

Jarren William's doesn't have the same off the field history as N'Kosi. While he was suspended last year, we all know that he didn't have a chance to show anything on the field. That kills a QB's confidence. No matter how bad Malik or N'Kosi played, or how well he did in practice, he knew he didn't have a shot to start regardless. At that point, there was no incentive to practice hard, prepare for games, or meet a high standard of work. El Jefe's clean slate has definitely helped him as well, as we know his conditioning's gotten better and he had a good spring. He doesn't have the trust deficit N'Kosi has, which is a major bonus for him in this QB competition.

Then there's Tate. By all accounts, he hasn't had any off the field issues that we know about. Of all the QB's, per the insiders here, on twitter, and on other sites, he's also the QB that put in the most work post-spring (weight room, film, working on his mechanics, etc.). When it comes to meeting expectations and the level of conduct expected of a UM starting QB, he fits the bill. He also has a bit of experience and exposure when it comes to the media, as he's got 148,000 followers on Twitter and 222,000 followers on Instagram. With all of his hype and pedigree from high school to now, he's never been a clown, gotten in trouble, or been suspended. That's a huge boon for his chances to be our long term starting QB. Manny won't have to worry about him doing something stupid if the team starts rolling.

Overall, Tate is in the best position when it comes to the trust factor. Jarren has a clean slate and had minimal bad conduct last year, so he isn't in a bad spot as well. N'Kosi did have a trust deficit pre-Manny, but he's done a lot of work to change that storyline and he should be commended for it. Nevertheless, he needs to keep that consistency off the field because a few months of doing what you're supposed to does not entirely erase two bad years. Ultimately, our starting QB on 8/24 is going to be the guy that gives our offense the best chance to succeed against the gators. Nevertheless, especially in the long term, it's vital to our staff that our QB has the poise, maturity, and off the field work ethic to be the next starting QB at the U.
That’s a lotta words. The bottom line is the guy who makes good decisions and converts plays under pressure is who his teammates and coaches will trust. The stuff you wrote tells us nothing about that. We’re not picking the kid to date your sister. We’re picking the leader for our offense. Let the nest guy win and quit overthinking it, imo.
 
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