Key Factor Being Overlooked in the QB Race

Completely agree with the points you made, which is why I do think Tate and Jarren have an advantage as of now in the overall race. There's always going to be that fear of N'Kosi going back to his old ways if he's the starter and the team starts rolling. He has to put in a ton of work to show he's not that guy anymore.

I also think Jarren really just lost the incentive to do anything last year. When the two guys in front of you are playing like garbage and you still can't get on the field, it shakes your confidence. At that point, he realized no amount of practice or work would matter, so in his mind why do anything to begin with?

I think a lot of kids waste that redshirt year. Instead of learning everything they can and working on the side they whine and cry about not playing. As a QB you should probably know you might have to redshirt your first year unless you're a can't miss guy like Lawrence and even he wasn't just handed the keys from day 1.
 
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Jarren has to overcome the stigma that he is lazy and a bit of a malcontent. It can be done. I don't think he lost the trust of the staff last season.

Perry has to overcome a loss of trust, as he was handed the keys to the kingdom last year and f#cked it up royally. It wasn't just the UVA meltdown, every qb has one of those games. He just didn't show any desire to improve after blowing it (and it wasn't just a matter of bad reads, he was deliberately ignoring Richt). Then, of course, he makes a sextape and posts it on the internet. As the DC, Manny had to feel somewhat betrayed by Perry. The guy who was supposed to be the leader of the team was sabotaging a defense that played its heart out. We are only a few months removed from that. I don't think Diaz is going to be able to forgive and forget that quickly.

hollllld up ... the black qb lazy but the white qb stay working hard huh lol 2019 and dont nothing be changing your perception but my reception when tates a gonna throw the first interception and yall gonna cry for jarren then
 
Hard to handicap this, my guess is the coaches have no made up their mind and this is a real horse race. I do think Jarren is the most talented passer and a better athlete than given credit for as evidenced by his 20MPH burst yesterday. Is he a strong enough leader at this stage? I would guess not.
 
hollllld up ... the black qb lazy but the white qb stay working hard huh lol 2019 and dont nothing be changing your perception but my reception when tates a gonna throw the first interception and yall gonna cry for jarren then

Lol. It's racist to point out that Jarren pouted and got fat last year. The coaches just complimented Jarren for dropping the bad weight he put on last season. I guess they are racist too. If you really think that calling out a dude for eating cheetos and watching Adventure Time instead of preparing to be the starting QB is racism, then buddy, I think you are in for a rough ride once you become an adult and enter the workforce.
 
I think they pick the QB that will not make stupid mistakes and cost us games from that position. Stronger arm, scrambling ability, whatever will be factored but the bottom line is don't cause you team to lose by making stupid mistakes. I believe our coaches can evaluate that factor and will pick a winner. For example, who would you pick between Griese and Marino? Based on talent or not making mistakes, I'd take Greise.
 
Questions for OP
Did Manny say something to the effect that everyone on the team starts with a clean slate after he took over

Please list what any QB has done to lose the trust since Manny took over.

.Not saying you ,are,wrong but I think Mannys word when he took over can be trusted.

I do not care who wins but just clarifying what I thought to be the case when he took over
 
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At the end of the day, I unfortunately don’t expect any of the 3 to separate themselves. As such, I expect the decision of who starts game 1 will be based on preventing transfers.

I fear that also. I'm not convinced any of the three is a high-level QB.
 
Questions for OP
Did Manny say something to the effect that everyone on the team starts with a clean slate after he took over

Please list what any QB has done to lose the trust since Manny took over.

.Not saying you ,are,wrong but I think Mannys word when he took over can be trusted.

I do not care who wins but just clarifying what I thought to be the case when he took over
When Manny took over the job he did say that it would be a new start for everyone on the team. Dan Enos reiterated the same message when he became OC, and how all of the guys would be in a real QB competition to be the starting QB.

None of our QB's have done anything negative, at least that we know of publicly, to lose Manny's trust since he became HC. All of them have made major strides.

Being the DC for the past three years though, he's seen and knows about what Jarren and N'Kosi have been up to off the field. With N'Kosi, while he's made a complete 180 since last season, he still needs to prove he won't revert to that conduct. A few months of consistent work doesn't outweigh two years where he was clowning around. Even with a clean slate, Manny's cognizant of the past history of both players. Jarren didn't have any incentive or interest in doing what he needed to once he realized none of it would get him on the field. N'Kosi didn't have the maturity or mentality needed for a QB at the U.

Like you, I just want the guy with the best chance to make us succeed to win the job. While I think all three have an equal shot and haven't separated themselves yet, N'Kosi is going to have to put in the extra work to show that his work the past few months is his new standard, not just an anomaly.
 
I don't think it's that hard of a decision. DCs who become new HCs generally choose the most mobile QB.

Perry runs a 4.86 40
Tate runs a 4.59 40

Idea is that the team is led by the defense, and QBs job is to give the D time to rest and not turn ball over. QBs who can run drive DCs crazy. TDs are gravy, but a winning stat line is

15/23
2 TDs , 0 INTs
190 yards passing
60 yards rushing

A QB doesn't have to be DeShaun Watson to put up those types of numbers. What matters is efficiency and trust that the QB will precisely execute the gameplan. Perry went off script last year, and Diaz is fully aware of that (he was there, after all).

Martell is likely the starter unless he totally flops the rest of the offseason.
I agree with you, but can Tate be accurate enough to keep 3rd down efficiency above average and give our D time to rest ? I guess we'll see if he's the guy.
 
There is one factor I think a lot of us have been overlooking in this QB race, and that's the trust factor. Whoever ends up being our starting QB is going to be the face of this team. They're going to be the leader, the guy whom the coaches are literally giving the keys to, and ultimately the single most important playmaker that'll determine whether we succeed or flounder. That's a big weight for any player, especially those with a less consistent record off the field.

In looking at this factor, it's clear that N'Kosi Perry has had a lot of groundwork to make up. Before Manny became HC, by all accounts, N'Kosi was clowning around here for two years. He built up a massive trust deficit with the last coaching staff and inherited that deficit with the new one. Make no mistake, N'Kosi has made a good effort to use this clean slate to start anew, and he hasn't caused any trouble off the field and by all accounts is working much harder.

I'm not an insider, or guy with sources, but I do have a few friends that were plugged into UM's greek life and party scene over the past two years. N'Kosi was a regular, to say the least, and we all know his off the fieldwork ethic and conduct wasn't great until El Jefe established a new order. All college students party, but as a potential starting QB for the Canes, N'Kosi didn't hold himself to the higher standard needed. N'Kosi's made a ton of progress on and off the field, and he could very well be our starter on 8/24, but until he consistently proves otherwise there's always going to be that fear that he'll revert to bad conduct. He has to put in an extra level of work to overcome that trust deficit he built over two years. Considering talent, if N'Kosi can put it all together, he'll be deadly. Winning best QB of spring is a great start.

Jarren William's doesn't have the same off the field history as N'Kosi. While he was suspended last year, we all know that he didn't have a chance to show anything on the field. That kills a QB's confidence. No matter how bad Malik or N'Kosi played, or how well he did in practice, he knew he didn't have a shot to start regardless. At that point, there was no incentive to practice hard, prepare for games, or meet a high standard of work. El Jefe's clean slate has definitely helped him as well, as we know his conditioning's gotten better and he had a good spring. He doesn't have the trust deficit N'Kosi has, which is a major bonus for him in this QB competition.

Then there's Tate. By all accounts, he hasn't had any off the field issues that we know about. Of all the QB's, per the insiders here, on twitter, and on other sites, he's also the QB that put in the most work post-spring (weight room, film, working on his mechanics, etc.). When it comes to meeting expectations and the level of conduct expected of a UM starting QB, he fits the bill. He also has a bit of experience and exposure when it comes to the media, as he's got 148,000 followers on Twitter and 222,000 followers on Instagram. With all of his hype and pedigree from high school to now, he's never been a clown, gotten in trouble, or been suspended. That's a huge boon for his chances to be our long term starting QB. Manny won't have to worry about him doing something stupid if the team starts rolling.

Overall, Tate is in the best position when it comes to the trust factor. Jarren has a clean slate and had minimal bad conduct last year, so he isn't in a bad spot as well. N'Kosi did have a trust deficit pre-Manny, but he's done a lot of work to change that storyline and he should be commended for it. Nevertheless, he needs to keep that consistency off the field because a few months of doing what you're supposed to does not entirely erase two bad years. Ultimately, our starting QB on 8/24 is going to be the guy that gives our offense the best chance to succeed against the gators. Nevertheless, especially in the long term, it's vital to our staff that our QB has the poise, maturity, and off the field work ethic to be the next starting QB at the U.
Read the whole thing. Haven't looked at a single comment yet but if I know CIS, I know they hate hearing the truth. Someone has probably laughed at u social media point. Someone has probably brought up the "clean slate" line, and a few insults have been thrown. Bet
 
hollllld up ... the black qb lazy but the white qb stay working hard huh lol 2019 and dont nothing be changing your perception but my reception when tates a gonna throw the first interception and yall gonna cry for jarren then
Look at this race baiting troll with 3 porsts. You know there's not only reports of summer workouts but that's how the 1s were decided to start camp.
 
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hollllld up ... the black qb lazy but the white qb stay working hard huh lol 2019 and dont nothing be changing your perception but my reception when tates a gonna throw the first interception and yall gonna cry for jarren then
way to turn a fact "Martell being the weight room leader nearly every week of the off season" into a bitter race baiting post. If you want to cry about racism go talk to Al Sharpton or AOC, on this board we are all canes fans so please take your racist issues and stick them up your race baiting rear.
 
so the kid who didnt transferred Jarren williams is a lazy malcontent
yet the kid who left a program to come here is a savior who can be trusted. haha
Martell was told he wouldn't start and they had no plans for him in the future which is why Ohio state PUSHED for him to transfer and be immediately eligible. So that makes your post ignorant and irrelevant and shows you don't anything about what really happened.
 
hollllld up ... the black qb lazy but the white qb stay working hard huh lol 2019 and dont nothing be changing your perception but my reception when tates a gonna throw the first interception and yall gonna cry for jarren then
Leroy, your grammar of “posing” as a black person is outed. You are one sick duck. You and your other alias ic305 should not be allowed to post on cis.
 
Martell was told he wouldn't start and they had no plans for him in the future which is why Ohio state PUSHED for him to transfer and be immediately eligible. So that makes your post ignorant and irrelevant and shows you don't anything about what really happened.
so you are basically saying we should put our trust into the hands of a guy who OSU didnt feel was good enough to play QB there? lol
 
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