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I wish Strong could be here. the things he would do to this program. he may not lose at all. if he was here. the players have bought in now and they are prime to upset TCU. dont get Strong messed up he knows that Swoopes sucks but he has an awesome freshman he redshirting that will more then likely start next year and they will be a 8-10 win team in his 2nd year
 
Charlie would have taken the job in 2007. We approached Patterson in 2010 and he had no interest. If and when the Miami position opens up, then I think you have to call him and see if there is interest. After going through 3 head coaches in 9 years you have to make the money work. That being said I doubt Patterson leaves Ft. Worth. He makes a $3.5 million base. He's in a good, competitive conference. He recruits and develops the right kids for his system. Expectations at TCU are realistic. He's probably the safest head coach in America.
 
Andrew said:
A few things..

1. Texas isn't going to beat TCU this weekend. (Though anything is possible)

2. TCU is willing to spend more money than Miami. (See the stadium they just rebuilt as well as other facilities and coaches salary)

3. Patterson doesn't want to leave TCU and believe he can win there. Why else would he have never left.

4. DFW is talent rich and if he can put a good run together the next few years he may be able to change the perception similar to how Schnelly did it at Miami.
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This.

This is what you guys need to understand about TCU that you aren't getting:

1. TCU is in Fort Worth.
2. SMU is in Fort Worth.
3. BOTH of these schools have very wealthy alumni bases.
4. They are both private schools, with a lot of $ to throw at their programs. (Remember that 30 for 30 on SMU?)
5. They don't like each other and are always trying to out do one another.

Patterson doesnt have to win national championships to be a god there. He just has to be better than SMU. That's why he hasn't left.

That Texas Oil money is real, fellas. Deal with it.
 
Andrew said:
A few things..

1. Texas isn't going to beat TCU this weekend. (Though anything is possible)

2. TCU is willing to spend more money than Miami. (See the stadium they just rebuilt as well as other facilities and coaches salary)

3. Patterson doesn't want to leave TCU and believe he can win there. Why else would he have never left.

4. DFW is talent rich and if he can put a good run together the next few years he may be able to change the perception similar to how Schnelly did it at Miami.
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First of all, you're spreading in absolutes when you have no real facts. Don't do that. It makes you look like a buffoon.

Second, pay attention to the subtle point I was making. Patterson didn't leave TCU because maybe he saw a good chance to get NCs done there. If Strong beats him or plays him super tight in his first year of a complete culture overhaul, don't you think that might give Patterson some pause?

TCU will always be Texas's retarded baby brother. With a top HC at Texas (which Strong is), TCU's future is bleak. If Patterson seeks the ultimate prize, he stands a much better chance of achieving it where he can recruit at the highest level. Great x's and o's at TCU can only take you so far when the big dog in Texas also has a great staff.
 
Miami82 said:
The Franchise said:
AUcane said:
The Franchise said:
...Pay close attention to the Texas/TCU game this Thursday.

If Chaz Strong does what I think he might do to TCU, don't be surprised to see Coach Patterson have an epiphany. He might sit back after that game and think to himself that if Strong can do what he's done at Texas in one year, then he's going to make it THAT much harder for little TCU to make noise in recruiting and, more importantly, to compete for Big 12 and college football NCs.

TCU has thrived on UT being down for the last few years. TCU never has had and never will have the pick of the litter in recruiting. Strong is going to bring Texas back to powerhouse status, and that will choke TCU out.

Might be time for him to make a move to a program where he can recruit the top players right in his backyard and kick *** and win NCs. That program is UM. This Texas/TCU game could be a turning point in his future depending on how it plays out. If Texas wins or battles to the end this early in Strong's tenure look out.
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Maybe I'm wrong but I think the pool of recruits that TCU draws from is different than Texas'.
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TCU gets all the leftovers that Texas, Texas AM, Oklahoma and even Oklahoma State don't want. They are 2 and 3 star heaven.
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I don't understand your first statement, because your 2nd is dead-on. TCU has always exceled with the scraps. That isn't going to change. If you are saying that now that UT has a competent HC and will actually start winning with thet 4/5 star talent and TCU won't be able to compete, I'd say that will still be a few years before that happens.
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The point is pretty clear. Great coaching at TCU can only take you so far when Texas also has a great staff. Great coaches with 2 stars can't compete consistently against great coaches with 5 stars. Eventually, Strong will completely choke TCU out.
 
I just don't see Patterson to Miami (for no other reason than I know God would never allow me to be that happy), but I do feel like Texas will give TCU fits. A team that has virtually nothing to lose in Texas, versus a team who can't afford to lose because it wants in the playoffs in TCU. If TCU pulls an Al Golden and plays 'not to lose' instead of 'PLAYING TO WIN THE GAME', then I smell an upset.
 
Why do this to ourselves? Does anyone really think that we're going to be searching for a new HC in the coming months?

I just don't see it.
 
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The Franchise said:
AUcane said:
The Franchise said:
...Pay close attention to the Texas/TCU game this Thursday.

If Chaz Strong does what I think he might do to TCU, don't be surprised to see Coach Patterson have an epiphany. He might sit back after that game and think to himself that if Strong can do what he's done at Texas in one year, then he's going to make it THAT much harder for little TCU to make noise in recruiting and, more importantly, to compete for Big 12 and college football NCs.

TCU has thrived on UT being down for the last few years. TCU never has had and never will have the pick of the litter in recruiting. Strong is going to bring Texas back to powerhouse status, and that will choke TCU out.

Might be time for him to make a move to a program where he can recruit the top players right in his backyard and kick *** and win NCs. That program is UM. This Texas/TCU game could be a turning point in his future depending on how it plays out. If Texas wins or battles to the end this early in Strong's tenure look out.
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Maybe I'm wrong but I think the pool of recruits that TCU draws from is different than Texas'.
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TCU gets all the leftovers that Texas, Texas AM, Oklahoma and even Oklahoma State don't want. They are 2 and 3 star heaven.
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They may be 2 and 3 star heaven (with the occassional 4 star), but that's all they need. Patterson has made a living at fitting the right players into his system. I don't think it matters how well Texas recruits - Patterson will get good enough guys to be a perennial 8-9-10 win team. JMO.
 
accomadus said:
Andrew said:
A few things..

1. Texas isn't going to beat TCU this weekend. (Though anything is possible)

2. TCU is willing to spend more money than Miami. (See the stadium they just rebuilt as well as other facilities and coaches salary)

3. Patterson doesn't want to leave TCU and believe he can win there. Why else would he have never left.

4. DFW is talent rich and if he can put a good run together the next few years he may be able to change the perception similar to how Schnelly did it at Miami.
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This.

This is what you guys need to understand about TCU that you aren't getting:

1. TCU is in Fort Worth.
2. SMU is in Fort Worth.
3. BOTH of these schools have very wealthy alumni bases.
4. They are both private schools, with a lot of $ to throw at their programs. (Remember that 30 for 30 on SMU?)
5. They don't like each other and are always trying to out do one another.

Patterson doesnt have to win national championships to be a god there. He just has to be better than SMU. That's why he hasn't left.

That Texas Oil money is real, fellas. Deal with it.
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Almost none of this is true. SMU isn't even in Ft. Worth.
 
The Franchise said:
Miami82 said:
The Franchise said:
AUcane said:
The Franchise said:
...Pay close attention to the Texas/TCU game this Thursday.

If Chaz Strong does what I think he might do to TCU, don't be surprised to see Coach Patterson have an epiphany. He might sit back after that game and think to himself that if Strong can do what he's done at Texas in one year, then he's going to make it THAT much harder for little TCU to make noise in recruiting and, more importantly, to compete for Big 12 and college football NCs.

TCU has thrived on UT being down for the last few years. TCU never has had and never will have the pick of the litter in recruiting. Strong is going to bring Texas back to powerhouse status, and that will choke TCU out.

Might be time for him to make a move to a program where he can recruit the top players right in his backyard and kick *** and win NCs. That program is UM. This Texas/TCU game could be a turning point in his future depending on how it plays out. If Texas wins or battles to the end this early in Strong's tenure look out.
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Maybe I'm wrong but I think the pool of recruits that TCU draws from is different than Texas'.
Click to expand...

TCU gets all the leftovers that Texas, Texas AM, Oklahoma and even Oklahoma State don't want. They are 2 and 3 star heaven.
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I don't understand your first statement, because your 2nd is dead-on. TCU has always exceled with the scraps. That isn't going to change. If you are saying that now that UT has a competent HC and will actually start winning with thet 4/5 star talent and TCU won't be able to compete, I'd say that will still be a few years before that happens.
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The point is pretty clear. Great coaching at TCU can only take you so far when Texas also has a great staff. Great coaches with 2 stars can't compete consistently against great coaches with 5 stars. Eventually, Strong will completely choke TCU out.
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Disagree, and AU stated why.
 
Not sure if I agree with this. seems like Tcu was good and had good players even when Texas was hitting on all cyclinders
 
PAR said:
Not sure if I agree with this. seems like Tcu was good and had good players even when Texas was hitting on all cyclinders
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They weren't in the Big XII directly competing with Texas and OU and even Baylor.

Now that they're in a power 5 conference, Patterson might not feel the need to leave.

Either way, you call him and make him say "no."
 
Hiring good coaches is frequently about timing. You dont want Miami competing against Florida, Michigan, or Nebraska at seasons end. Miami has a terrible commitiment to winning when it comes to the football program and in todays climate, that matters with these coaches. All aspects of todays game is more competitive that ever before and Miami has moved at a snails pace in regard to this. It will be a huge uphill battle to get these type of coaches truly interested in coming to Miami when they have other options available to them where they know they will get top shelf support to succeed.
 
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Miami82 said:
The Franchise said:
Miami82 said:
The Franchise said:
AUcane said:
Maybe I'm wrong but I think the pool of recruits that TCU draws from is different than Texas'.
Click to expand...

TCU gets all the leftovers that Texas, Texas AM, Oklahoma and even Oklahoma State don't want. They are 2 and 3 star heaven.
Click to expand...

I don't understand your first statement, because your 2nd is dead-on. TCU has always exceled with the scraps. That isn't going to change. If you are saying that now that UT has a competent HC and will actually start winning with thet 4/5 star talent and TCU won't be able to compete, I'd say that will still be a few years before that happens.
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The point is pretty clear. Great coaching at TCU can only take you so far when Texas also has a great staff. Great coaches with 2 stars can't compete consistently against great coaches with 5 stars. Eventually, Strong will completely choke TCU out.
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Disagree, and AU stated why.
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You guys don't seem to grasp the point. If Patterson is happy finishing with 8 or 9 wins and being second fiddle to Texas, then he'll stay at TCU. If not, then he might be open to leaving especially if Strong flexes on him this Thursday only a year into a complete culture overhaul.
 
CanesAreAble said:
PAR said:
Not sure if I agree with this. seems like Tcu was good and had good players even when Texas was hitting on all cyclinders
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They weren't in the Big XII directly competing with Texas and OU and even Baylor.

Now that they're in a power 5 conference, Patterson might not feel the need to leave.

Either way, you call him and make him say "no."
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This dude gets it.
 
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