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This mystery move by the team to take more personal responsibility, engage in more self-discipline, and this sudden move toward more players stepping up to take positions of leadership is just one more load of Golden BS.

How did this magic come about? Where'd they get the idea? The concept?

They watched THE U Part2. They saw what Butch set up. They saw the mindset Butch recruited and demanded.

Got some bad news; these guys aren't Butch's guys.

But at least they watched, saw the crap Butch went through during real sanctions, saw the team Butch led, saw how he passed on the demand for leadership, the demand for excellence, the demand or group-punishment, and the rewards of group excellence.

If not for being able to watch The U Part 2, if not being able to watch the fire under Butch Davis, if not being able to see the dedication and self-starting Butch Davis instilled in the team, none of this would be even suggested.

Golden is smoke and mirrors. When your leader is FOS, your follow-through is vapid.

Butch was solid, demanding, and expected excellence. Demanded excellence.

So more than ten years later, AFTER a documentary, we see some bleed out of the qualities that we abandoned over the past three coaches.

They may improve their attitude a bit, but with a coaching staff that is the antithesis of the coaches in THE U, Part 2, it won't have enough strength in the weave to hold together through the season.
 
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How is the players taken ownership of there team BS?!? LoL...What difference does it make if they saw it on the U documentary or they decided to be leaders on there own to correct issues that THEY think is negatively effecting the team. But, anyways, I know most of you just need to vent about anything UM. At least let the season start before you start crying and whining about every interview, ****. lol
 
Players taking control of discipline lets me know that the staff isn't entirely confident in their own ability to discipline players themselves. Only players that respect the coaches seem to be starters, for obvious reasons. Letting teammates police themselves is the most backwards policy and anyone who has coached knows it. You might let team leaders do it here and there but you don't let them take over that responsibility. When the L's start piling up, all that disciplining is going to be built up animosity and the locker room collapse will be even bigger than last year. Y'all keep buying I to this idiots propaganda. He's trying to buy time and tell admin that he did all he could.
 
Our best teams ALWAYS had players who held each other accountable. Always. How this can be seen as a negative is beyond me. Will it lead to something positive with this bunch? We'll find out in October.
 
Futbolfreak11 said:
lmao Your butch blow up doll must be gettin alot of work lately
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I just find our situation at the U unreal. We had it. We had it going. We expected - to win championships, not hope like Hades just to win the Coastal. The Coastal. How low have we sank.

Those scenes we see coming through the tunnels shouting "Hit! Stick! Bust Dik!" Those were Butch's crew. Unlike Golden's teams that come out flat, Butch knew things Clappy, Radar, and Gluten didn't - that much is clear.

So we're flat. We have team problems. We have coaching problems. We hear of rumbling. We lose. Big time. We suck, year after year after year, and we don't see any real progress.

LO AND BEHOLD!

THE U, Part 2 comes out, and now we have some hungry young men who are trying to emulate SOME of what our 2000, 2001, and 2002 teams looked like. It's right there in the video.

You don't like me mentioning Butch. FU.

Butch dug deep to gather that team. The greatest college football team of all time. They were disciplined, they were tough, they didn't make excuses, and they decided that Clappy wasn't necessary - Butch had prepared them. They took it on themselves to win that National Championship.

So now we see our guys trying to emulate the 2000/2001/2002 teams by trying to self discipline.

What was the catalyst? THE U, Part 2.

Who was the architect? Butch frikkin' Davis.

Like it or not.
 
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When the boss is a control freak, and Al is, there can be no other leadership, only a couple hatchet men. I only hope Brad gets at least one year under a real Cane coach. So many kids are dying to be the Canes of THE U of old. All we need is one coach who wants to be a HC of THE U of old.
 
I don't see how it hurts. Anything positive is helpful, but it is not going to offset the damage Al seems to be doing in other facets of the job. Afterall, not ALL of those players that Butch inspired left when he did. What changed after he left was the coach and all that "leadership" stuff Butch built was quickly erased when Coker took over. The further we got away from Butch the more it eroded. So JUST having the players take responsibility and demand accountability is not enough. The coach has to do it too and THAT seems to be the source of the problem.
 
Hurricane818 said:
I don't see how it hurts. Anything positive is helpful, but it is not going to offset the damage Al seems to be doing in other facets of the job. Afterall, not ALL of those players that Butch inspired left when he did. What changed after he left was the coach and all that "leadership" stuff Butch built was quickly erased when Coker took over. The further we got away from Butch the more it eroded. So JUST having the players take responsibility and demand accountability is not enough. The coach has to do it too and THAT seems to be the source of the problem.
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NOt saying it's bad or it's not a good thing for guys to hold each other accountable.

I'm saying it's terrible, that under Golden, this wasn't an integral part of the program - and suddenly we have at least an attempt to hold each other accountable - only AFTER THE U, Part 2 comes out, and while some guys are watching, a light comes on.

But can you imagine a Fairy Golden team coming through the tunnel shouting "Hit! Stick! Bust Dik!" ?? No way.

Our team probably quietly recites Sandusky quotes.
 
Discipline on the field is what will prove all this rhetoric, theres so much attention on the periphery with Al Golden teams, and when it comes to what matters, gameday, theyre a train wreck, and at the bottom of many stats that deal with discipline and leadership
 
U Know said:
How is the players taken ownership of there team BS?!? LoL...What difference does it make if they saw it on the U documentary or they decided to be leaders on there own to correct issues that THEY think is negatively effecting the team. But, anyways, I know most of you just need to vent about anything UM. At least let the season start before you start crying and whining about every interview, ****. lol
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Because it's contrived. Under this coaching staff, all these "new adjustments" are contrived.

I doubt they're taking the same responsibility as the 200/2001/2002 teams - they fought each other like Hades. Blood and all.

And no, I really don't have to wait until the season starts to complain. I have four years of misery that I'm already running on, and if you don't like it, you can go FUrself.

Sideways.
 
UMFarArcher said:
This mystery move by the team to take more personal responsibility, engage in more self-discipline, and this sudden move toward more players stepping up to take positions of leadership is just one more load of Golden BS.

How did this magic come about? Where'd they get the idea? The concept?

They watched THE U Part2. They saw what Butch set up. They saw the mindset Butch recruited and demanded.

Got some bad news; these guys aren't Butch's guys.

But at least they watched, saw the crap Butch went through during real sanctions, saw the team Butch led, saw how he passed on the demand for leadership, the demand for excellence, the demand or group-punishment, and the rewards of group excellence.

If not for being able to watch The U Part 2, if not being able to watch the fire under Butch Davis, if not being able to see the dedication and self-starting Butch Davis instilled in the team, none of this would be even suggested.

Golden is smoke and mirrors. When your leader is FOS, your follow-through is vapid.

Butch was solid, demanding, and expected excellence. Demanded excellence.

So more than ten years later, AFTER a documentary, we see some bleed out of the qualities that we abandoned over the past three coaches.

They may improve their attitude a bit, but with a coaching staff that is the antithesis of the coaches in THE U, Part 2, it won't have enough strength in the weave to hold together through the season.
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Sooooo I should be mad he is taking a page from the coach everyone wants here? I guess...
 
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Does Tom Brady not get in his offensive linemen's or wide outs buts when they miss a block or do the wrong route?? Is that not a form of accountability?? What type of team is the Patriots? The guy is talking about imitating greatness and that's looked down upon, why?? I hope the culture has changed if we lose guess who is out of a job np matter what.
 
I get where OP is coming from. Al refused help from those who are entrenched within the program's history b/c he felt he was the brightest guy in the room. Now w/ his back against the wall, and his smoke and mirrors running thin, he's attempting to recreate an atmosphere of champions too little too late. The help was available to him years ago, and he didn't accept it; why? Because he's prideful. EACH YEAR, this team's identity has thought to have been changed into something of the past, but b/c Al has a hard time adapting, everything reverts right back to Al and D'Onofrio's way or the highway.

The player accountability is smoke and mirrors....this same player accountability was said last year, as well. You see how that turned out.
 
Fountain of Canes said:
UMFarArcher said:
This mystery move by the team to take more personal responsibility, engage in more self-discipline, and this sudden move toward more players stepping up to take positions of leadership is just one more load of Golden BS.

How did this magic come about? Where'd they get the idea? The concept?

They watched THE U Part2. They saw what Butch set up. They saw the mindset Butch recruited and demanded.

Got some bad news; these guys aren't Butch's guys.

But at least they watched, saw the crap Butch went through during real sanctions, saw the team Butch led, saw how he passed on the demand for leadership, the demand for excellence, the demand or group-punishment, and the rewards of group excellence.

If not for being able to watch The U Part 2, if not being able to watch the fire under Butch Davis, if not being able to see the dedication and self-starting Butch Davis instilled in the team, none of this would be even suggested.

Golden is smoke and mirrors. When your leader is FOS, your follow-through is vapid.

Butch was solid, demanding, and expected excellence. Demanded excellence.

So more than ten years later, AFTER a documentary, we see some bleed out of the qualities that we abandoned over the past three coaches.

They may improve their attitude a bit, but with a coaching staff that is the antithesis of the coaches in THE U, Part 2, it won't have enough strength in the weave to hold together through the season.
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Sooooo I should be mad he is taking a page from the coach everyone wants here? I guess...
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That's not it.

It's like suddenly with the recent interviews, our Canes have had these "self-revelations."

I'm not unhappy with it, but am unhappy with the culture we've had the last ten years - and it takes a Documentary to remind SOME in the program parts of what we're missing. Holding each other accountable. Gee. For those of us around from Schellenberger through Butch, that's a real revelation.

What in the wide, wide world of sports were Clappy, Radar, and Golden coaching??

Golden doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground.
 
UMFarArcher said:
Fountain of Canes said:
UMFarArcher said:
This mystery move by the team to take more personal responsibility, engage in more self-discipline, and this sudden move toward more players stepping up to take positions of leadership is just one more load of Golden BS.

How did this magic come about? Where'd they get the idea? The concept?

They watched THE U Part2. They saw what Butch set up. They saw the mindset Butch recruited and demanded.

Got some bad news; these guys aren't Butch's guys.

But at least they watched, saw the crap Butch went through during real sanctions, saw the team Butch led, saw how he passed on the demand for leadership, the demand for excellence, the demand or group-punishment, and the rewards of group excellence.

If not for being able to watch The U Part 2, if not being able to watch the fire under Butch Davis, if not being able to see the dedication and self-starting Butch Davis instilled in the team, none of this would be even suggested.

Golden is smoke and mirrors. When your leader is FOS, your follow-through is vapid.

Butch was solid, demanding, and expected excellence. Demanded excellence.

So more than ten years later, AFTER a documentary, we see some bleed out of the qualities that we abandoned over the past three coaches.

They may improve their attitude a bit, but with a coaching staff that is the antithesis of the coaches in THE U, Part 2, it won't have enough strength in the weave to hold together through the season.
Click to expand...

Sooooo I should be mad he is taking a page from the coach everyone wants here? I guess...
Click to expand...

That's not it.

It's like suddenly with the recent interviews, our Canes have had these "self-revelations."

I'm not unhappy with it, but am unhappy with the culture we've had the last ten years - and it takes a Documentary to remind SOME in the program parts of what we're missing. Holding each other accountable. Gee. For those of us around from Schellenberger through Butch, that's a real revelation.

What in the wide, wide world of sports were Clappy, Radar, and Golden coaching??

Golden doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground.
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Im with you, Golden is looking everywhere for hope. someone who makes 3 Million a year should take more responsibility of changing his culture once he sees something wrong not when he is about to get fired. im happy he is finally doing something from past though. we need something to get these guys to play every weekend no matter what.
 
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