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NVA CANE said:
AaronRodgersJewBeard said:
Do you guys even realize how much talent Ole Miss has? And they weren't even underestimating Memphis, they were prepared, Fuente just coached his team to a win. His team didn't out talent them, they didn't get lucky, his coaching won that game.

When is the last time we could say that about a coach? If he can schematically get wins (and it looks like he can), then recruiting won't even matter. The players will come. Win games, get players. I'd rather have a guy who can out coach somebody than a coach who needs to out talent people.
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This. I've never seen a coach achieve so much yet continue to be maligned by a fan base, most of whom gave a terrible al golden four years until they wrote him off.

Fuente is the real deal and when he does big things at his next gig everyone will wish he were our coach. We have some stupid fans
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The problem with you and the other 12 year olds who push Fuente and Herman is that you have no sense of perspective.

Fuente is a great coach...FOR THIS YEAR, AND FOR BEING IN A LESSER CONFERENCE.

It's like saying a woman is hot... for being overweight and 40.

If we're willing to spend 4 million, we can do a lot better than Justin Fuente
 
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A lot of coaches have had one or two decent years, only to flame out. A lot of MAC coaches do well at lower level but fail in the bigger leagues.
 
CaneInTheBrain said:
A lot of coaches have had one or two decent years, only to flame out. A lot of MAC coaches do well at lower level but fail in the bigger leagues.
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I'll give you that. Boise St. sent about 3 straight coaches to failure at bigger schools.

But Houston has sent Art Briles and Kevin Sumlin to better jobs, and those guys can coach. The guys from Urban Meyer's staff seem to be able to coach when they get their own teams.

Maybe Fuente is a tougher buy, because it's Memphis and Gary Patterson doesn't really have a "tree"? I can also get the recruiting concerns.

But, to me, a "MAC coach" who dominates without recruiting is a coach who can actually, coach.

Cristobal is supposed to be the best recruiter in the game. He didn't dominate the Sun Belt ... Which he should have been able to do, on talent alone.

Meanwhile, Fuente has Memphis football on the map! Beating SEC schools, after spotting them 14 points.

IMO, all MAC coaches ain't created equal.
 
MIATL said:
CaneInTheBrain said:
A lot of coaches have had one or two decent years, only to flame out. A lot of MAC coaches do well at lower level but fail in the bigger leagues.
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I'll give you that. Boise St. sent about 3 straight coaches to failure at bigger schools.

But Houston has sent Art Briles and Kevin Sumlin to better jobs, and those guys can coach. The guys from Urban Meyer's staff seem to be able to coach when they get their own teams.

Maybe Fuente is a tougher buy, because it's Memphis and Gary Patterson doesn't really have a "tree"? I can also get the recruiting concerns.

But, to me, a "MAC coach" who dominates without recruiting is a coach who can actually, coach.

Cristobal is supposed to be the best recruiter in the game. He didn't dominate the Sun Belt ... Which he should have been able to do, on talent alone.

Meanwhile, Fuente has Memphis football on the map! Beating SEC schools, after spotting them 14 points.

IMO, all MAC coaches ain't created equal.
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If I had to choose between Herman and Fuente, I'd pick Herman...if nothing else because Houston has a great track record of hiring coaches, and because Fuente's overall body of work (not just the last 14 games) leaves a lot to be desired. However Hean has only coached for 7 games. His streak will end eventually. Who really knows what you're getting there.

I still think both options are "fools gold."

The same arguments you'd make for those two coaches you could've made for Mike Leach, Dana Holgerson, or Dan Hawkins.

Anyone can hit a lucky streak, especially if they inherit a great quarterback.

These guys just have too many question marks. How would they do in south Florida? How would they coach up 4 and 5 star kids? Some coaches are better with coal shoveler types. Would they bring their MAC assistant coaches with them, or would they go get the best staffs available?

Remember that assistant coaches matter as much as, if not more than the head coach. Butch had 3 future NFL head coaches on staff at Miami, along with a number of future college head coaches. He came from the Dallas Cowboys super bowl team, and had the connections in the coaching community to make those kinds of hires. Fuente/Herman can't offer that...they're both too inexperienced or their experience has been at a lower level...thus not allowing them to build up the clout to form a great staff.

I just think at this point in time, we don't need to be rolling the dice. Apparently we're willing to spend the money this time around. That's good. Then, if it were me, I would go out and get a coach like Butch, Mark Richt, Pagano or Hue Jackson.....and therefore be 90% sure we have a top 15 coaching staff and certainly a top 3 coaching staff in the ACC.

Miami with a top 10 coach would rip up the ACC and contend for championships.

There will always be another Herman. When Miami is rolling on all cyllenders and can recruit itself to top assistant coaches...that's the time I think you take a chance on a guy like that. I think the current situation, with the program down like it is, is not ideal for us to go after an up and comer type
 
Meanwhile, Memphis is allowing 8.5 yards per pass attempt. That's hard to do. Really hard to do, this deep into the season. Second to last in that conference, ahead of only SMU, and 119th out of 128 in the country. If you look at the list of teams worse than Memphis in yards allowed per attempt, it's basically the dogs of the nation.

I don't see how this can't be a concern. It's the thing I'm worried about more than anything, that we hire a cupcake offensive type who gives lip service to defense but really doesn't care. He assumes his offense can outscore anyone. What could go wrong?

Some of these things aren't exactly difficult to identify. When the Dolphins pursued Joe Philbin years ago I voiced concern on Dolphin forums that a coach who recently had Aaron Rodgers under center wouldn't care about running the football, or differentiate between style of play based on level of quarterback. He'd merely sit back in the shotgun and wing it all day long no matter who he had at quarterback. Tannehill is accurate on short and intermediate stuff but he's not special enough to abandon the running game and sit in the shotgun. Philbin didn't have a clue about that. Fortunately, Dan Campbell has altered things for the better, at least in the short term.

The Toledo coach is allowing 5.9 yards per pass attempt. That's an entirely different galaxy than 8.5. Also a different conference. Maybe those numbers don't translate perfectly elsewhere but it's foolish to ignore them and fail to grasp what it generally signifies...i.e. defensive intensity and aggressiveness vs. lack of same.
 
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