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RemainMack said:
Depressed and it was a weird game on all fronts.

That said:


-That 4th and 17 felt like death. In our section we all thought it was over before that completion. How could they have been so conservative on defense? They should have put more pressure on Howell and forced a quicker throw.

-Special teams, not much more to add, but wow. I thought the offensive playcalling in the last drive was great until we started to go for too many homerun plays. Given where we were, we should have tried 1-2 short passes or 1 more run and 1 short pass up the middle to give Baxa a better angle. Kind of stupid though Baxa should have hit it (as well as the others).

-Along the same lines the play calling was a disaster the first quarter and borderline great in quarters 2-4. The offensive line played much better and Jarren is going to be great. I can't believe anyone would bash this kid. The future is bright with him and on offense. In the midst of my depression I actually realized we are closer to having a very good offense than I ever would have thought before. I agree about a few less long developing play action plays, but for the most part in quarters 2-4 Enos did a great job. Oh yeah, just when I thought Mallory redeemed himself with the corner TD he blows the conversion. Not sure what his issue is.

-I love how hard Camron Harris runs

-Mike Harley has improved a lot as a wr. He went from nothing to potentially being better than solid by his senior year.

-My one complaint is we have no deep ball game. Nothing. The disparity between UNC's offense and ours in that regard was staggering (they should have had another long td but the guy fell down).

-Secondary is still way too green and they are going to have to take their lumps this year. Too much inexperience despite the on-paper accolades they have. Carter is also an idiot.

-I thought the officials missed some UNC holds and they blew Jarren's 4th down spot. He got that 1st down. They also missed a horse collar near the end.

-Linebacker play/development continues to underwhelm. Shaq, Pinckney, etc., have so far peaked two years ago. They were almost non-existent in the run game.

-I still think we win 9,10 regular season games and play Clemson. This team is talented, but still green and Manny is still green as a HC but you can see pieces here and there.

-Howell is going to be great unfortunately, and Mack Brown hired a great staff. The end.
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We need to learn how to win. Hopefully it starts next week. I agree with everything you said but I have a feeling we go 8-4 manly because special teams might lose us a few more games. 4th and 17, after fighting back to take a hold we allow them to make that play smh.
 
streetja said:
We're so average it's not even funny. If we were as talented as people on here claim it would jump out on the screen... It doesn't.
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It doesn’t jump out in person either. If you had never watched football before or read anything, you would’ve thought we were the worse team
 
RemainMack said:
Depressed and it was a weird game on all fronts.

That said:


-That 4th and 17 felt like death. In our section we all thought it was over before that completion. How could they have been so conservative on defense? They should have put more pressure on Howell and forced a quicker throw.

-Special teams, not much more to add, but wow. I thought the offensive playcalling in the last drive was great until we started to go for too many homerun plays. Given where we were, we should have tried 1-2 short passes or 1 more run and 1 short pass up the middle to give Baxa a better angle. Kind of stupid though Baxa should have hit it (as well as the others).

-Along the same lines the play calling was a disaster the first quarter and borderline great in quarters 2-4. The offensive line played much better and Jarren is going to be great. I can't believe anyone would bash this kid. The future is bright with him and on offense. In the midst of my depression I actually realized we are closer to having a very good offense than I ever would have thought before. I agree about a few less long developing play action plays, but for the most part in quarters 2-4 Enos did a great job. Oh yeah, just when I thought Mallory redeemed himself with the corner TD he blows the conversion. Not sure what his issue is.

-I love how hard Camron Harris runs

-Mike Harley has improved a lot as a wr. He went from nothing to potentially being better than solid by his senior year.

-My one complaint is we have no deep ball game. Nothing. The disparity between UNC's offense and ours in that regard was staggering (they should have had another long td but the guy fell down).

-Secondary is still way too green and they are going to have to take their lumps this year. Too much inexperience despite the on-paper accolades they have. Carter is also an idiot.

-I thought the officials missed some UNC holds and they blew Jarren's 4th down spot. He got that 1st down. They also missed a horse collar near the end.

-Linebacker play/development continues to underwhelm. Shaq, Pinckney, etc., have so far peaked two years ago. They were almost non-existent in the run game.

-I still think we win 9,10 regular season games and play Clemson. This team is talented, but still green and Manny is still green as a HC but you can see pieces here and there.

-Howell is going to be great unfortunately, and Mack Brown hired a great staff. The end.
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Remember the days we made people like Mack hate the fact he came back to coaching and freshmen that they got the start against us. Man where did these days go.
 
NorthEastCane said:
On obvious sort yardage running downs, UNC was plugging all the gaps and stopping it. On that play it like we tried some misdirection off the running back. That QB turned LB bought on the fake and lunged and got an arm on Wlliams to trip him up before he got the first. Just that kind of night.
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I’m confused as to why Realus is even on the roster. If hes never gonna get on the field and can’t be trusted to get one yard
 
RemainMack said:
Depressed and it was a weird game on all fronts.

That said:


-That 4th and 17 felt like death. In our section we all thought it was over before that completion. How could they have been so conservative on defense? They should have put more pressure on Howell and forced a quicker throw.

-Special teams, not much more to add, but wow. I thought the offensive playcalling in the last drive was great until we started to go for too many homerun plays. Given where we were, we should have tried 1-2 short passes or 1 more run and 1 short pass up the middle to give Baxa a better angle. Kind of stupid though Baxa should have hit it (as well as the others).

-Along the same lines the play calling was a disaster the first quarter and borderline great in quarters 2-4. The offensive line played much better and Jarren is going to be great. I can't believe anyone would bash this kid. The future is bright with him and on offense. In the midst of my depression I actually realized we are closer to having a very good offense than I ever would have thought before. I agree about a few less long developing play action plays, but for the most part in quarters 2-4 Enos did a great job. Oh yeah, just when I thought Mallory redeemed himself with the corner TD he blows the conversion. Not sure what his issue is.

-I love how hard Camron Harris runs

-Mike Harley has improved a lot as a wr. He went from nothing to potentially being better than solid by his senior year.

-My one complaint is we have no deep ball game. Nothing. The disparity between UNC's offense and ours in that regard was staggering (they should have had another long td but the guy fell down).

-Secondary is still way too green and they are going to have to take their lumps this year. Too much inexperience despite the on-paper accolades they have. Carter is also an idiot.

-I thought the officials missed some UNC holds and they blew Jarren's 4th down spot. He got that 1st down. They also missed a horse collar near the end.

-Linebacker play/development continues to underwhelm. Shaq, Pinckney, etc., have so far peaked two years ago. They were almost non-existent in the run game.

-I still think we win 9,10 regular season games and play Clemson. This team is talented, but still green and Manny is still green as a HC but you can see pieces here and there.

-Howell is going to be great unfortunately, and Mack Brown hired a great staff. The end.
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We won’t play Clemson. We lost the coastal division tonight.

UNC owns any tiebreaker with us, so they would need to lose TWICE in the coastal. Ery doubtful
 
RightSaidFred said:
We won’t play Clemson. We lost the coastal division tonight.

UNC owns any tiebreaker with us, so they would need to lose TWICE in the coastal. Ery doubtful
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I believe UNC plays Clemson this year. They’ll lose that one. They will drop one more...likely to Virginia . That’ll give them 2 acc losses. We would have to run the table in order to get us there. That’s a tall order but there is a path.
 
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RemainMack said:
Depressed and it was a weird game on all fronts.

That said:


-That 4th and 17 felt like death. In our section we all thought it was over before that completion. How could they have been so conservative on defense? They should have put more pressure on Howell and forced a quicker throw.

-Special teams, not much more to add, but wow. I thought the offensive playcalling in the last drive was great until we started to go for too many homerun plays. Given where we were, we should have tried 1-2 short passes or 1 more run and 1 short pass up the middle to give Baxa a better angle. Kind of stupid though Baxa should have hit it (as well as the others).

-Along the same lines the play calling was a disaster the first quarter and borderline great in quarters 2-4. The offensive line played much better and Jarren is going to be great. I can't believe anyone would bash this kid. The future is bright with him and on offense. In the midst of my depression I actually realized we are closer to having a very good offense than I ever would have thought before. I agree about a few less long developing play action plays, but for the most part in quarters 2-4 Enos did a great job. Oh yeah, just when I thought Mallory redeemed himself with the corner TD he blows the conversion. Not sure what his issue is.

-I love how hard Camron Harris runs

-Mike Harley has improved a lot as a wr. He went from nothing to potentially being better than solid by his senior year.

-My one complaint is we have no deep ball game. Nothing. The disparity between UNC's offense and ours in that regard was staggering (they should have had another long td but the guy fell down).

-Secondary is still way too green and they are going to have to take their lumps this year. Too much inexperience despite the on-paper accolades they have. Carter is also an idiot.

-I thought the officials missed some UNC holds and they blew Jarren's 4th down spot. He got that 1st down. They also missed a horse collar near the end.

-Linebacker play/development continues to underwhelm. Shaq, Pinckney, etc., have so far peaked two years ago. They were almost non-existent in the run game.

-I still think we win 9,10 regular season games and play Clemson. This team is talented, but still green and Manny is still green as a HC but you can see pieces here and there.

-Howell is going to be great unfortunately, and Mack Brown hired a great staff. The end.
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This is what I saw too but can we please find a kicker.. I think Jarren got the 1st down too and I'm till ****ed about the targeting call. For the second year in a row how do we end up with that right out of the gate? We did cut down on penalties. Howell is the real deal. LOVE Camron H...don't give up the ship just yet people.
 
Mklein13 said:
I don’t want to play Clemson. Lawrence and Co. will put up 80 on this d. They can’t tackle for **** so their rbs will run for 200 plus each.
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What is ironic about this is that being creamed by Clemson in the ACC championship game would make it a kinda sorta successful season given where we are at right now.
 
ADELPHI said:
I believe UNC plays Clemson this year. They’ll lose that one. They will drop one more...likely to Virginia . That’ll give them 2 acc losses. We would have to run the table in order to get us there. That’s a tall order but there is a path.
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yes. I think this is the scenario for UNC. IDK where we are yet. I want to see what they do against BC and Cent. Mich. they need to come out of those games with big wins and alot of confidence. Manny, Enos and Baker need to fix some of the other stuff in those games, too.

the Canes hold their own fate in their hands.
 
People talking about what Clemson would do to us when fücking Maryland would drop a 50 burger on us.

Clemson would be a trackmeet for the ages, the thought of our DBs trying to cover their WRs has me in the fetal position over here.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
I was at the game and thought the play calling was garbage. Deejay and Cam couldn’t be stopped and Enos did everything he could to keep the ball out of their hands.

I love Jarren and think he’s gonna be great but his numbers look so much better than what he played. I have no clue what Howell’s numbers are but he looked head and shoulders better than Jarren. I know that’s on more than just Jarren, Enos and Manny and whoever else im just making a point. Whenever a play needed to be made, Howell made it
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You are just hating on your own team. Jarren Williams was actually playing the QB position. Making reads finding his target and delivering the ball with precision under duress.

Howell sat in 3 formations all game, and was ask to either throw a slant or fade or give to the running back. Outside of his 4th and 17 throw his drop back game was an utter disaster.

But I get it he’s 2-0 as a starter and Jarren is 0-2 so the narrative is “he’s better”.
 
JHallCanes said:
Can’t even imagine watching that in person.

Jarren was definitely short of the first. Run that 100 times and he easily gets it 99 times.

It was that kind of night.
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You’re right and the whole game had that feel, even after we took the lead. It’s clear Manny doesn’t trust baxa a whole lot but I feel like he was also trying to send a message to the team by being aggressive and going for it on that 4th down.
 
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I want you to be right about 9-10 wins in regular season OP, but at this point we need to see 1 win and it needs to happen soon.
 
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