Judd Anderson #53 and Luke Nickel #30, you guys like this QB recruiting?

[Calinative]

Fans think that high end QBs grow on trees, they don't. Evaluations are key, and from what I've seen of Nickel, the dude can play. Judd has some solid physical tools, but he's raw as a passer. There's a good chance he transfers out after a year or two, unless he develops into the starter. Nickel has the potential to be a legit star. Give me a guy with the physical tools and the IT factor, and I'll show you someone that can be **** good, very quickly.

It's obvious that Mario understands that NIL money isn't some bottomless pit, he has to prioritize positions and whatnot. Mario is building inside out, with extremely strong line play the bedrock of the program. Miami will never hurt for playmakers on the outside and at tailback. If Miami can consistently churn out solid to good QBs, the wins will come. Yes, I'd love it if someone stepped up and told Mario "Hey, I will personally guarantee any NIL money for whatever top end QB you want", but that likely isn't happening. We've all heard the rumors of what Bell is going to get from Texas and if it is anywhere near true, it's insanity. I wouldn't spend that money on a guy that likely won't play year one.

It's not like Mario hasn't tried or come extremely close to landing a high end QB, but things happen. In today's NIL landscape, it may make more sense to take some fliers(and top end guys you lock down early) from the HS ranks and then throw the bulk of your money at proven commodities in the transfer portal, if what you land in traditional recruiting doesn't work out.

I'd just say It also does make sense to go for an elite 5 star QB out of HS IF and really only IF you 100% expect them to start immediately. It is certainly riskier than going with a known commodity out of the portal, but the benefits are pretty good as well because you have your guy for 3 years.

But yeah **** paying a 5star qb to sit the bench. Darnold and Minshew are making $10M/yr and $12.5M/yr respectively as fringe starter/backups. With an NFL salary cap of $255.4M this year that is equivalent to 3.9-4.9% of the salary cap. If our NIL was $20M this year, that means if we were trying to spend NIL the way the NFL does which is pretty much tried and true and has a **** load of money working to make the correct investments, that a backup QB should get no more than $780k-980K per year. How much do 5 star Qbs cost? Well Rashada had like a 4yr $13M deal with UF lol. Nico Iamaleava had a reported $8M/4yr deal with UTenn. Arch probably almost definitely could have gotten >$2m/yr with how big his NIL value is. Idk about what the rumors wwere for 2024 guys.... But we can see a pattern here with 5star Qbs, easily being > $1m/yr. So we can see why that is a terrible allocation of NIL funds to spend on a backup.

That's really all there is to it for me. Either we get a Qb for <$150k out of HS and go for THE TOP portal Qb (assuming the starter isn't already on the roster) OR we go all out for either the #1 or #2 Qb in HS and he starts immediately. That's the options for me. Maybe you can be okay with the 5star ridiing the bench for a year if you had a 3 star who became a senior and earned the starting job like an Emory Williams or something. That wouldn't be a complete waste of money cause in that scenario the starter is pretty cheap...

 

[TheEye]

Not sold on Judd Anderson. Emory Williams showed a lot of promise as a Fresh. I will wait to see Nickel in a Spring Game to judge. I was hoping Reese could be the heir apparent next year but we may need another TF if he and Emory don’t make a big leap next year.

 

[DTP]

I always love when we talk about guys like Mario “ruining QBs”. Like the guy has had a line of 5* QBs bust under him. Meanwhile a guy like Lincoln Riley is considered some kind of QB savant when he’s had multiple 5* QBs bust under him. Doesn’t make a lot of sense. At the end of the day, it’s difficult to predict HS QB’s. I’d rather take flyers on HS QB’s then also take proven portal QBs.

Lincoln Riley just produces Heisman winners and first round picks. The “busts” he’s had are guys who lost their jobs to more talented quarterbacks. Say what you want about his lack of interest in defense and questionable recruiting but he’s produced more star quarterbacks than any coach in the modern game.

 

[DTP]

I like Nickel more than any quarterback we’ve signed in at least 5 years (not transfers). He’s not perfect but he doesn’t have a glaring weakness like pretty much everyone else we’ve signed recently. Judd Anderson is the kind of high upside project I don’t mind grabbing. He’s big, he’s got a big arm and he’s not a statue at 6’7”. I think he has way more upside than Emory Williams who I believe is at best a backup quarterback who can’t win games for you but also won’t totally blow them for you either. Physical traits that can’t be coached are more important to me than a fundamentally sound guy who doesn’t have a good arm and isn’t athletic.

As for chasing elite QB recruits and spending money on them, it’s all about what your coach feels is worth doing. We’re spending a ton of money on Samson Okanlola right now. He did nothing as a freshman and is currently in a competition at left guard. Best case scenario, we have the most expensive left guard in college football or at least the ACC this year. Maybe next year he makes the jump to tackle and truly becomes the dominant player we’re paying for, right? So we’re willing to spend a ton of money and wait a few years on an offensive lineman but spending a ton of money for a quarterback who might not immediately start as a true freshman isn’t worth it? Quarterback is vastly more important than any offensive line position. You can spend on an elite quarterback recruit, let him sit a year and see if he’s making the push to start as a sophomore. If he’s truly elite, he’ll be ready by then. If he’s still struggling, you’re under no obligation to keep him on your roster or your payroll. Let him transfer out. Look at the quarterbacks that were drafted in the first round this year. They were all elite recruits outside of Michael Penix. Yes, some transferred while they were in college but that speaks more about their original programs lack of good development than it does about their elite talent. They still became first round picks.

I get that the portal will always offer options. We totally lucked out and got the best option available this year. Is that going to happen every year? What if Cam hadn’t pulled out of the draft? What were our other options? Will Howard? DJ ukulele? These guys are mediocre at best. Just assuming that we’re going to grab a game changer every year and just do the one year portal rental at quarterback over and over is risky as **** to me.

We need to keep pushing for elite quarterback recruits. At the very least we need to identify and lock up second tier guys like we did with Nickel more often. We can’t just take projects and then hope to sign Cam Wars in the portal every year.

 

[SWFLSWAGG17]

One of these guys, being Emory, Judd or Nickel will have to develop enough by 26-27 or it's going to be even tougher to recruit H.S. QB's. If 17–18-year-old QB's see nobody is developing to the point we don't go to the portal every year, they are not going to want to come here.

 

[Schnelly'sPipe]

One of these guys, being Emory, Judd or Nickel will have to develop enough by 26-27 or it's going to be even tougher to recruit H.S. QB's. If 17–18-year-old QB's see nobody is developing to the point we don't go to the portal every year, they are not going to want to come here.

Win 10+ this year with Cam and 5 stars will be lining up

 

[RealRussellPumps]

Didn't like the take of Judd but love Nickel.

 

[USNAVYCANE]

Judd is better than Emory

 

[Glow]

I personally like these 2 Cats and their film; time will tell if they have what it takes. I am wondering, if we can't get any Top QB's in the country, do we just go for 30-50 ranked QB's and use the portal for the next few years for a QB (assuming Cam shows out)?

I know we have not had the WR/Offense to make top QB's want to come here. Cam may change that, for sure.

How you guys feel about these 2 QB's, can they take us all the way in the future, or will we always be chasing a portal QB? Maybe we just need a year or two of ******* downfield offense. Don't know.

Thoughts?

Cheers, my fellow Canes!!!!

This would be easier to eval if we knew the player salaries but if you tell me a 6'6 3-star hooper developmental project QB costs 200k and the Elite11 QB costs 900k then I am taking the 3-star most years and spending the extra money on a proven portal guy until one of the 3-star projects turns into a dude.

 

[BoxingRobes]

I don't really care about freshman QB recruiting. If you want QBs that have even the potential to stick around 3, 4 years as backups, its got to be these kind of players.

Take the money you have for the QB room and go get yourself one of the best QBs on the transfer portal market every year or two (whenever you have an opening). Otherwise, spend lightly on these developmental, traitsy QBs as freshman. The big ticket players aren't worth it. Top QB prospects transfer a ton and aren't worth the NIL money slot.

These are developmental lotto tickets. Some will stick around. Some will bounce. But the goal is to always have a stocked QB room with some guys that stick around and some new established QBs that you bring in for the big money.

 

[grover]

I like Nickel more than any quarterback we’ve signed in at least 5 years (not transfers). He’s not perfect but he doesn’t have a glaring weakness like pretty much everyone else we’ve signed recently. Judd Anderson is the kind of high upside project I don’t mind grabbing. He’s big, he’s got a big arm and he’s not a statue at 6’7”. I think he has way more upside than Emory Williams who I believe is at best a backup quarterback who can’t win games for you but also won’t totally blow them for you either. Physical traits that can’t be coached are more important to me than a fundamentally sound guy who doesn’t have a good arm and isn’t athletic.

As for chasing elite QB recruits and spending money on them, it’s all about what your coach feels is worth doing. We’re spending a ton of money on Samson Okanlola right now. He did nothing as a freshman and is currently in a competition at left guard. Best case scenario, we have the most expensive left guard in college football or at least the ACC this year. Maybe next year he makes the jump to tackle and truly becomes the dominant player we’re paying for, right? So we’re willing to spend a ton of money and wait a few years on an offensive lineman but spending a ton of money for a quarterback who might not immediately start as a true freshman isn’t worth it? Quarterback is vastly more important than any offensive line position. You can spend on an elite quarterback recruit, let him sit a year and see if he’s making the push to start as a sophomore. If he’s truly elite, he’ll be ready by then. If he’s still struggling, you’re under no obligation to keep him on your roster or your payroll. Let him transfer out. Look at the quarterbacks that were drafted in the first round this year. They were all elite recruits outside of Michael Penix. Yes, some transferred while they were in college but that speaks more about their original programs lack of good development than it does about their elite talent. They still became first round picks.

I get that the portal will always offer options. We totally lucked out and got the best option available this year. Is that going to happen every year? What if Cam hadn’t pulled out of the draft? What were our other options? Will Howard? DJ ukulele? These guys are mediocre at best. Just assuming that we’re going to grab a game changer every year and just do the one year portal rental at quarterback over and over is risky as **** to me.

We need to keep pushing for elite quarterback recruits. At the very least we need to identify and lock up second tier guys like we did with Nickel more often. We can’t just take projects and then hope to sign Cam Wars in the portal every year.

Agree with everything especially this last part. Key is to be agile. You can’t count on a Ward in the portal and you can’t count on hitting on a development QB out of HS. You need to look at all your options. I also think QB recruiting NIL economics may change as retention risk on elite 5 star QBs increases. Got to stay on top of it all.

Best outcome possible is that one or more of Williams, Anderson and Nickel hits pay dirt. That gives coaches a lot more credibility and time to go find the next great Miami QB.

 

[E1k]

I don’t think nickel is good enough for us to just not recruit other qbs..dont kill me lol i know u guys have him as the next cane great already

 

[NicKane]

Judd is better than Emory

Especially from an arm strength perspective. Emery has a really weak arm and that’s not gonna change unfortunately.

 

[Ya Boi]

As much as I didn't like the take something tells me Judd is gonna be more capable than we've given him credit for but will still be a career backup but there's potential to work with is where Dawson gotta earn his paycheck

 

[Home Slice]

I like what I've seen from Luke. Might need a 1 year portal rental next year then let Luke, hopefully, be ready IMHO

 

[MikeCane18]

Judd is better than Emory

From what I saw this Spring, Judd has a long way to go, but yea, his ceiling is higher than Emory's. Mechanics and Accuracy were... shockingly bad for Judd this Spring. His base, balance, and arm angles were pretty rough to watch. But he can sling it. Honestly, if either of them have to play a starter role here, we have failed recruiting QBs.

 

[cway313]

The copium coursing through this thread is vomit inducing.

 

[DTP]

From what I saw this Spring, Judd has a long way to go, but yea, his ceiling is higher than Emory's. Mechanics and Accuracy were... shockingly bad for Judd this Spring. His base, balance, and arm angles were pretty rough to watch. But he can sling it. Honestly, if either of them have to play a starter role here, we have failed recruiting QBs.

Judd’s early high school tape was almost unwatchable. He was Sitkowski-esque. He made a huge jump as a senior. I think he’s capable of more. He’s clearly a guy who hasn’t had a ton of coaching.

 

[TheUInsider]

 

[hesskilla]

I like Nickel more than any quarterback we’ve signed in at least 5 years (not transfers). He’s not perfect but he doesn’t have a glaring weakness like pretty much everyone else we’ve signed recently. Judd Anderson is the kind of high upside project I don’t mind grabbing. He’s big, he’s got a big arm and he’s not a statue at 6’7”. I think he has way more upside than Emory Williams who I believe is at best a backup quarterback who can’t win games for you but also won’t totally blow them for you either. Physical traits that can’t be coached are more important to me than a fundamentally sound guy who doesn’t have a good arm and isn’t athletic.

As for chasing elite QB recruits and spending money on them, it’s all about what your coach feels is worth doing. We’re spending a ton of money on Samson Okanlola right now. He did nothing as a freshman and is currently in a competition at left guard. Best case scenario, we have the most expensive left guard in college football or at least the ACC this year. Maybe next year he makes the jump to tackle and truly becomes the dominant player we’re paying for, right? So we’re willing to spend a ton of money and wait a few years on an offensive lineman but spending a ton of money for a quarterback who might not immediately start as a true freshman isn’t worth it? Quarterback is vastly more important than any offensive line position. You can spend on an elite quarterback recruit, let him sit a year and see if he’s making the push to start as a sophomore. If he’s truly elite, he’ll be ready by then. If he’s still struggling, you’re under no obligation to keep him on your roster or your payroll. Let him transfer out. Look at the quarterbacks that were drafted in the first round this year. They were all elite recruits outside of Michael Penix. Yes, some transferred while they were in college but that speaks more about their original programs lack of good development than it does about their elite talent. They still became first round picks.

I get that the portal will always offer options. We totally lucked out and got the best option available this year. Is that going to happen every year? What if Cam hadn’t pulled out of the draft? What were our other options? Will Howard? DJ ukulele? These guys are mediocre at best. Just assuming that we’re going to grab a game changer every year and just do the one year portal rental at quarterback over and over is risky as **** to me.

We need to keep pushing for elite quarterback recruits. At the very least we need to identify and lock up second tier guys like we did with Nickel more often. We can’t just take projects and then hope to sign Cam Wars in the portal every year.

I think it’s a lot more difficult to snag a stud transfer OL than it is a QB. That also factors into it too. There aren’t many first or second round lineman changing teams so you must develop or recruit them. So, it’s not an apples to apples comparison.