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JR15 Misses and a Few Bonus Pics

In that first shot if it's the play I'm thinking of there's no way Jarren could have made that throw.
 
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dk72 said:
Oh come on now. All of those things about Jarren that you point out in your "sky is falling" post are what can typically be expected of a RS FRESHMAN QB not just starting his first game, but getting his first real game experience of any sort in his career, in a primetime rivalry game against a good, aggressive defense. Given all of that, the kid showed great ability and promise. That first game probably felt like everything was moving 100 mph around him. Give him a little time to get comfortable, with more experience. The game will slow down for him. If later this season he looks the same, then yes, it's something to worry about. From what we saw Saturday night, this kid has potential to a very good QB.
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Ball placement and accuracy was spectacular. Just gotta read it a bit quicker and let it fly....
 
It's called a learning curve for a reason. We will find out how steep Jarren's is soon. No matter what, going against your squad in practice when it isn't live is not the same as a real game. In two weeks when we run those same plays against UNC he is going to know **** well that he had those guys open last time they ran it and got chewed out for not seeing it. He's going to go through his reads but he is going to know where he should go with it and what that looks like down the field. Remember this was a close game all night, one play could turn the game in favor of the opposing team. Maybe up 14 he let's some of those fly and we see more fireworks from the Offense.

If the defense can overwhelm UNC and we can establish the run a little better against a much weaker front 7 and less talented DB unit then I expect to see Jarren hit some of these throws and for us to have a nice night in Chapel Hill.
 
TheChosenOne said:
Look at the right side of the field. That WR was so open. How do you roll to your right and still keep your eyes in the middle of the field the entire play.
Jarren played a lot worse then what we thought. I'll put it like this, if Jarren is just a check down charlie play someone else. 2 of our main WRs are speed guys.. trust the 1v1. Im not a Nkosi fan AT ALL, like AT ALL and I think he would of won this game just off the fact he would have taken risk.

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So ******* true smh 🤦🏽‍♂️
 
rsa coral gables said:
I don't fault the kid for tucking the ball away given that it was drilled into him that he not turn the ball over. Like kids, they take it to an extreme. He had plenty of opportunities to throw the ball away or run or even make a dynamic play. I believe the mistakes he made in this game were better than throwing interceptions, which would have eroded his confidence and the team's confidence in him. here are some plays that he left on the field.

In this play, he had heavy pressure and dumped it off to Dallas, but had JT4 open already.

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On this play he has pressure but if he anticipates just a little bit he can put the ball in the endzone to JT4 since he's turned around his defender.

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This bonus pic shows how the we failed to adjust to the motion by No. 1 and Florida created a huge mismatch that lead to the touchdown.

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Here, near the goal line, he has the middle of the field open and Jordan moving into the open space, but JR15 threw it behind him for a reception but little YAC.

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this is a roll out to the right and while faint you can see JT4 (i think) open by a mile.
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this is what LuCane said earlier in the week, get pressure on Franks in his face and he'll disintegrate. Ford pressures Frank and although the two Florida receivers are open, Franks overthrows them and Carter gets the pick.

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Another rollout play and our receiver is behind the defender.
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And on the final series, i believe he rolls to the right again but had Osborn open right in the middle of the field for an 8-10 yard play.
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He'll grow up fast in the next two weeks.
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Great post! That’s why I said all these people crying about Enos need to stop. None of us have seen the all 22 tape. Clearly there were plays there that Jarren missed and he is holding him accountable. The reason we are all so high on Jarren performance is because we have watched god awful QB play the last two seasons. The young kid did well but Enos wants great. Things will get better cause of this game.
 
So does this change peoples' minds about JT4 not "being in" the game? I see a kid who should be rightfully frustrated. He is abusing the DB's and unfortunately JW can't get him the ball.

It will come with time, but I think we can lay off Thomas with the "his heart wasn't in it" matra.
 
TheChosenOne said:
Best pocket Jarren had all game. WR is running an In route against SOFT zone. Jarren took a sack. 34 seconds left.
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This dude does not see the field well.
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This is an example of how all spring/summer every QB said the Dan Enos playbook always has an answer, this is that answer. The other WR's clear out the field and Enos 90% of the time has a crosser thats late developing. Jarren was simply doing first time starter things but it's not the end of the world. Enos said thats not what Jarren had done all camp so clearly a little first game jitters and constant pressure had him off his game.
 
can someone do a screen grab of the play with 5 min left in the game, when osborn's knee was (correctly) ruled down? Harley was running a deeper out route behind osborn that would have easily gotten the first down and almost certainly gone for big yardage
 
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I agree that most of those were **** near impossible throws, but that one he missed to KJ at the end of the game is a real gut punch
 
I appreciate the screenshots of OP, but I have a slightly different interpretation of some of these plays and some I agree with.


PLAY 1:
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Play 1: He’s got a defender bearing down on him and he’s rolling out for his life. However, JT is already coming out of his break. The defender is still in his backpedal. Jarren could’ve still floated this ball outside as it’s a pretty short throw with a beautiful sea of green and the sideline giving him a cushion to deliver a safe ball. Ideally, he maybe gets the ball out even earlier and avoids being chased like this, hopefully that comes with time. He’s got JT putting a defender into a backpedal, maybe he anticipates the route sooner and that ball is out even seconds before JT sticks that foot in the ground. Making the right throw and seeing the field is always harder when you’ve got defenders flying around you like bullets. Missed opportunity, could improve with experience.


PLAY 2:
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Play 2: Another tough throw. Guys in the NFL who are successful make a living delivering the ball even with rushers sitting in their lap, but it is far from easy. It impacts your step, your arm angle, etc. I think this comes back to Jarren hopefully getting enough live experience to the point where he sees coverages and knows a guy will come open without actually having to see it happen. This kind of goes to the point as Play 1, but hopefully with experience and a cleaner pocket, he sees that once that DB flipped his hips outside, he had 0 chance of covering JT out of the break. This ability to anticipate guys open is a big skill and requires you to process things at a high speed.


PLAY 3:
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Play 3: In my opinion, a throw where I can’t fault Jarren and I think he made the right decision by safely tucking the ball into Brevin(?) and taking the yards. The two UF defenders just inside the 20 yard line have pretty good depth here. If Jarren tries to lead his receiver, he’s going to have to really put some air on it to get it over them and float it somewhat. The issue there is they have a safety 10 yards behind them closing in. It really would’ve been a touch and risky throw into tight coverage, I believe.


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Play 4: Unless this guy came open much earlier in the play, it’s hard to fault Jarren here. Unless you’re Mahomes or Russell Wilson, flicking a dime 50 yards downfield off one foot as you roll out isn’t easy. There’s a reason they’re among the best in the world.


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Play 5: Yeah, this one is pretty egregious. Beautiful, clean pocket. His guy flashes wide open right in front of his face. Had to be nerves.




It’ll be interesting to watch Jarren’s growth. Some skills are going to develop naturally simply as a result of more in-game repetitions. Seeing coverages over and over again, getting that feedback loop from previous mistakes, learning how to read the field quicker. Some of these qualities are just innate and you get maxed out on just how much you can develop. We’ll see.

I think some of his major “bad” plays were holding the ball too long instead of throwing it away, and he had a few plays where he felt pressure, and instead of avoiding the rush while keeping his eyes downfield, he’d tuck the ball like a back and just scramble around behind the LOS. I think he needs to work on remaining a passer even while evading the rush. Extend plays and help your offense, don’t punt the play so soon and make yourself a RB.

I’m excited to see how he progresses. I’d personally love a UNC game where we’re out of the gun more often and Jarren has several plays with a clean pocket. I think he can do some damage when he’s not being chased down every snap like a fugitive.
 
Rellyrell said:
Thanks OP;

It’s like we came to the buffet and said I’ll just have the salad, pls. I think what we saw was a kid in headlights, not a deer, but kid. Getting pressured and hit often will do that to u. He no longer trusted his progressions; once option A was covered, it was a wrap.

Get the OL play fixed, get Williams back in the game & we roll.

BUT, if come UNC we see the same thing, then we need to address this
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Exactly. Some of them would have taken an elite throw, but as Manny and Enos said, he was making them in practice. Don't get me wrong, most of us expected some of this, and I think he'll do well going forward. The first time is the most difficult.
 
We should have killed them with rpo’s, it was available all game

Look at Pope, should have faked it to the running back and threw it to pope . **** pope might have took that one to the distance on that play..


Same thing, fake to the rb and then throw it to Osborn as he had blockers in front of him.


Jarren probably could have went to harley here and it might have went a longway, but the first read was to Thomas and it was there but a better throw makes that a competition. Still probably could have been caught though
 
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WhatTheHell said:
I appreciate the screenshots of OP, but I have a slightly different interpretation of some of these plays and some I agree with.


PLAY 1:
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Play 1: He’s got a defender bearing down on him and he’s rolling out for his life. However, JT is already coming out of his break. The defender is still in his backpedal. Jarren could’ve still floated this ball outside as it’s a pretty short throw with a beautiful sea of green and the sideline giving him a cushion to deliver a safe ball. Ideally, he maybe gets the ball out even earlier and avoids being chased like this, hopefully that comes with time. He’s got JT putting a defender into a backpedal, maybe he anticipates the route sooner and that ball is out even seconds before JT sticks that foot in the ground. Making the right throw and seeing the field is always harder when you’ve got defenders flying around you like bullets. Missed opportunity, could improve with experience.


PLAY 2:
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Play 2: Another tough throw. Guys in the NFL who are successful make a living delivering the ball even with rushers sitting in their lap, but it is far from easy. It impacts your step, your arm angle, etc. I think this comes back to Jarren hopefully getting enough live experience to the point where he sees coverages and knows a guy will come open without actually having to see it happen. This kind of goes to the point as Play 1, but hopefully with experience and a cleaner pocket, he sees that once that DB flipped his hips outside, he had 0 chance of covering JT out of the break. This ability to anticipate guys open is a big skill and requires you to process things at a high speed.


PLAY 3:
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Play 3: In my opinion, a throw where I can’t fault Jarren and I think he made the right decision by safely tucking the ball into Brevin(?) and taking the yards. The two UF defenders just inside the 20 yard line have pretty good depth here. If Jarren tries to lead his receiver, he’s going to have to really put some air on it to get it over them and float it somewhat. The issue there is they have a safety 10 yards behind them closing in. It really would’ve been a touch and risky throw into tight coverage, I believe.


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Play 4: Unless this guy came open much earlier in the play, it’s hard to fault Jarren here. Unless you’re Mahomes or Russell Wilson, flicking a dime 50 yards downfield off one foot as you roll out isn’t easy. There’s a reason they’re among the best in the world.


PLAY 5:
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Play 5: Yeah, this one is pretty egregious. Beautiful, clean pocket. His guy flashes wide open right in front of his face. Had to be nerves.




It’ll be interesting to watch Jarren’s growth. Some skills are going to develop naturally simply as a result of more in-game repetitions. Seeing coverages over and over again, getting that feedback loop from previous mistakes, learning how to read the field quicker. Some of these qualities are just innate and you get maxed out on just how much you can develop. We’ll see.

I think some of his major “bad” plays were holding the ball too long instead of throwing it away, and he had a few plays where he felt pressure, and instead of avoiding the rush while keeping his eyes downfield, he’d tuck the ball like a back and just scramble around behind the LOS. I think he needs to work on remaining a passer even while evading the rush. Extend plays and help your offense, don’t punt the play so soon and make yourself a RB.

I’m excited to see how he progresses. I’d personally love a UNC game where we’re out of the gun more often and Jarren has several plays with a clean pocket. I think he can do some damage when he’s not being chased down every snap like a fugitive.
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thank you for the detailed commentary. agreed on some points. there are other instances of missing open receivers, in fact many. i think one issue is that he often locked into one receiver and didn't scan the field.

regardless, like Enos i have high expectations of JW15 and think he'll improve dramatically the next game. and least that's what i am hoping for
 
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CANE1775 said:
In that first shot if it's the play I'm thinking of there's no way Jarren could have made that throw.
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If he cant make that throw with a receiver that wide open then he is not the GUY! i think the issue is not the lack of ability of making the throw but inability of reading the field. where to go with the ball? where is the best play not just a play like in this case he dumps the ball to DJ when the best play is he next open receiver down field. And I think this was the issue the richt talked about jarren not being ready yet last year. the problem last year was his idiotic son could not coach op any of our qb so the issues still present.
 
rsa coral gables said:
I don't fault the kid for tucking the ball away given that it was drilled into him that he not turn the ball over. Like kids, they take it to an extreme. He had plenty of opportunities to throw the ball away or run or even make a dynamic play. I believe the mistakes he made in this game were better than throwing interceptions, which would have eroded his confidence and the team's confidence in him. here are some plays that he left on the field.

In this play, he had heavy pressure and dumped it off to Dallas, but had JT4 open already.

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On this play he has pressure but if he anticipates just a little bit he can put the ball in the endzone to JT4 since he's turned around his defender.

View attachment 95554

This bonus pic shows how the we failed to adjust to the motion by No. 1 and Florida created a huge mismatch that lead to the touchdown.

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Here, near the goal line, he has the middle of the field open and Jordan moving into the open space, but JR15 threw it behind him for a reception but little YAC.

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this is a roll out to the right and while faint you can see JT4 (i think) open by a mile.
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this is what LuCane said earlier in the week, get pressure on Franks in his face and he'll disintegrate. Ford pressures Frank and although the two Florida receivers are open, Franks overthrows them and Carter gets the pick.

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Another rollout play and our receiver is behind the defender.
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And on the final series, i believe he rolls to the right again but had Osborn open right in the middle of the field for an 8-10 yard play.
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He'll grow up fast in the next two weeks.
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this is exactly what enos talked about yesterday about leaving plays on field winning plays!. and everyone go their panties all on fire and everyone wanting the staff to hand off brownies points. F that! this staff is about winning and what needs to be done to win everything else is loosing. I love it !
 
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siulrc said:
If he cant make that throw with a receiver that wide open then he is not the GUY! i think the issue is not the lack of ability of making the throw but inability of reading the field. where to go with the ball? where is the best play not just a play like in this case he dumps the ball to DJ when the best play is he next open receiver down field. And I think this was the issue the richt talked about jarren not being ready yet last year. the problem last year was his idiotic son could not coach op any of our qb so the issues still present.
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Again, I have to watch the replay when I get home, but if that's the play where there was play action and when he turned around the dude was barreling down on him, then he gets a pass from me. If it was a different play than the one I'm thinking of, then forget what I said. I'll chime in tonight after I get home.
 
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