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yeah the expectations some of y’all have are unhinged. this team won 7 games last season


We also lost 5 games, 3 of which were by 2 or 3 points apiece, and which were lost in flukey bizarre ways (doinked FG, ridiculous pick when we coulda/woulda/shoulda kicked a FG, and a 4th and 14).

That is not to say that we SHOULD HAVE won all those games, just that (to quote David St. Hubbins) it's such a fine line between stupid and clever.

We played over half the season with a dead-man-walking coach, and we were still within ****ing distance of 10-2. Unlike the Gaytors making excuses, I am not justifying or rationalizing the season, just pointing out that the turnaround does not have as far to go as, say, the SemenHoles.

I think 10-2 (and an ACC-CG appearance) is very attainable this year, and all we would "have to do" to get there is not lose those 2020 dumb games to UVa, UNC, and F$U. Surely, that is within the realm of possible, and not "unhinged expectations".
 
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Youre using worthless stats to argue that stats are worthless, yet only your eye test tells the true story. well done…


You really think so? Then I guess you're not as good at stats as you pretend to be.

Some stats are more reliable and better at predicting things than other stats are. And regardless of that, we always need to understand them and be able to use actual gameplay and outcomes as the ultimate determinant.

It's an interesting conversation, but ultimately, I don't give a ****e how many plays we run, I care about whether we are pressing the defense by limiting their ability to substitute/rotate, and I care that Gattis's offense at Michigan last year had BOTH one of the most explosive results (plays over 50 yards) coupled with the one that resulted in one of the lowest "negative play" ratios.

That's a stat that means something. Efficiency in yardage-gained and scoring when you have the ball. Not "how many plays you run", and whether you run 3 or 4 extra plays each game.
 
Agreed but I don’t understand him saying gattis can’t function with this team.

If that’s the case then he just flat out sucks. He will adjust to the talent he has.

Right. I think we will have our OL good enough to run "like Michigan did against the Big 10" rather quickly, particularly since we only have to play ACC defenses.
 
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Why would Gattis choose to come here if he was **** bent on bringing a run oriented offense? We’re not exactly built for that. You think he’s going to see our elite QB mixed with our below average OL and be like yea we’re going to ground and pound this thing?

I just don’t see that happening.
Not too mention that would definitely be career suicide.
 
I would say that team talent isn't linear but follows a curve. Could Mario have us in the top 10 in a year or two? Absolutely. Could we be Michigan? Of course. Should our goal to be to beat Clemson in one of their 2 down years each decade? No.

There is a lot of speculation on what offense Josh will run, and it could be a lot different than Michigan. The hiring of a QB coach and their responsibilities around the passing game will probably point us in the right direction but we really want know until games start.
 
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Is it too much to ask you for some context to your misleading stats? Lots of teams run between 70-75 plays per game.

Michigan was 65th with 70.3 plays per game in 2021. If they ran ONE MORE PLAY per game, they jump to 55th. With TWO MORE PLAYS per game, they jump to 42nd. THREE MORE PLAYS per game puts them at 35th. FOUR MORE PLAYS per game puts them at 29th.

Given that Michigan was ahead in most games, it is very easy to envision that they might have played some conservative "run-out-the-clock" football in the 4th quarter.

For comparative purposes, Georgia ranked 119th. Cincinnati ranked 123rd. Of the CFP teams, only Bama ranked higher (12th).

Miami ranked 24th.

Miami had 5 plays more per game. Miami finished 7-5, Michigan finished 12-2.

Maybe, JUST MAYBE, Gattis is right in the ballpark. 5 more plays per game is not crazy impossible.


I'll always be an advocate that plays per game are important, especially at a place like Miami which should have a lot of talented skill position players. When you have a talent advantage, which Miami should in most game, you should want to maximize the opportunity for that talent to score points.

I think Gattis should and will do well with free reign of the offense. I hope he is allowed that opportunity.
 
I would say that team talent isn't linear but follows a curve. Could Mario have us in the top 10 in a year or two? Absolutely. Could we be Michigan? Of course. Should our goal to be to beat Clemson in one of their 2 down years each decade? No.

There is a lot of speculation on what offense Josh will run, and it could be a lot different than Michigan. The hiring of a QB coach and their responsibilities around the passing game will probably point us in the right direction but we really want know until games start.
It’s going to take Miami a couple of years to get comfortable with this Offense. It’s far more complex than Lashlee’s. In 22’, win the Coastal and if you can, steal the ACC. Everything else is a bonus.
 
I'll always be an advocate that plays per game are important, especially at a place like Miami which should have a lot of talented skill position players. When you have a talent advantage, which Miami should in most game, you should want to maximize the opportunity for that talent to score points.

I think Gattis should and will do well with free reign of the offense. I hope he is allowed that opportunity.


It's a misleading stat that gets distorted by "look at me" playcalls, runs vs. incomplete passes, and situational differences at the end of a game.
 
Our OL is currently mediocre and that takes time to build. I am confident that Mario will recruit this position well but this is the one position that typically needs development for a year or two. We should have hired an OC that fit the personnel we have now and when that person leaves in two years then hire a coordinator that fits our new mold. Briles, and Spencer Whipple come to find and I am sure there are other options. The bottom line is we don't have the talent to run Josh's offense so unless he drastically changes then I see a long season.
We have an elite OC that's on board now.. We should hire a lesser one and hope one as good of available in a few years? To run a different offense? I can't follow this logic at all.
 
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We also lost 5 games, 3 of which were by 2 or 3 points apiece, and which were lost in flukey bizarre ways (doinked FG, ridiculous pick when we coulda/woulda/shoulda kicked a FG, and a 4th and 14).

That is not to say that we SHOULD HAVE won all those games, just that (to quote David St. Hubbins) it's such a fine line between stupid and clever.

We played over half the season with a dead-man-walking coach, and we were still within ****ing distance of 10-2. Unlike the Gaytors making excuses, I am not justifying or rationalizing the season, just pointing out that the turnaround does not have as far to go as, say, the SemenHoles.

I think 10-2 (and an ACC-CG appearance) is very attainable this year, and all we would "have to do" to get there is not lose those 2020 dumb games to UVa, UNC, and F$U. Surely, that is within the realm of possible, and not "unhinged expectations".
the original post this was responding to was complaining about how we'd get blown out in the playoffs. that is an insane worry to have right now.
 
We were dead last in the ACC in rushing last season. I'm willing to bet anybody we'll be top 3 this season, not 3 years later. It doesn't take that long to run the ball effectively. Play calling diversity and creativity helps A LOT and we will have it with Gattis. That will be a focal point for Mario, so you better believe the run game will produce, and produce early.

Zero worries for me on offense, we will run and pass with the best of them.
 
there's some really simplistic and reductive arguments being made in this thread.

one is that running the ball is old school and passing the ball is modern. any good college coordinator will run the ball all day long if they're able to. Jeff Lebby, Kendall Briles, and Josh Heupel are the three main Briles disciples currently calling plays in the P5 and all of those teams leaned on the run very heavily. dividing college teams into "run plays" and "pass plays" is a bit deceptive because sacks are counted as QB runs in college, but go look at Ole Miss, Arkansas, and Tennessee's stats. Ole Miss had three backs over 500 yards plus its QB over 600 yards. Arkansas had three backs over 500 yards plus its QB over 600 yards. Tennessee had two backs over 500 yards plus its QB over 600 yards. by comparison, Michigan had a back over 1,300 yards and a back over 900 yards, so they got more or less the same production just less spread out.

and if you want to break down the 2021 run/pass splits of those four teams, you wouldn't know who was running what system:

Michigan: 575 runs, 395 passes
Tennessee: 577 runs, 376 passes
Arkansas: 588 runs, 314 passes
Ole Mis: 588 runs, 429 passes

Gattis and the Briles guys are running different offenses, but they got to the same place regardless. all four coordinators understand that if you can run the ball, you should run the ball. here is a quote from Rhett Lashlee when he took over the Miami job, tell me if you think it's essentially the same description that Mario gives of his "balanced" offense

“I believe in balance. You’ve got to run it and throw it. I’ve always believed that you’ve got to run the ball to win, but you’ve got to throw the ball to score. It’s a fancy way to say balanced."

so, let's get past this idea that running the ball is "smash mouth" and "old school" and passing the ball is "modern." if you can run the ball in college you're going to run the ball. Michigan, Ole Miss.... doesn't matter.

there's also this idea across this thread that the Air Raid and Briles offenses are modern or innovative. the Air Raid, at this point, is an old school offense, and systems that haven't evolved past the Air Raid are being left in the dust. Mike Leach is running the same plays he did in 2002 and as such Mississippi State is nobody's idea of a dangerous offense. the same thing is happening to Kliff Kingsbury in the NFL, and happened to a certain extent with Graham Harrell at USC, who was decent at best there.

the best offenses these days are running blends of things. neither Lincoln Riley or Ryan Day run Air Raid or Briles system offenses. they're both running spread-to-run offenses that design explosive passing plays off the run game. Josh Gattis had more or less the same philosophy at Michigan, except it was dressed up in more condensed, pro style formations. you could make the argument that Gattis' blended system is actually far more "modern" than the Briles offense, which works because it takes advantage of the college hashmarks but hasn't evolved or innovated much in the last decade, beyond an increase usage of RPOs, which basically everyone is doing.

as for running an offense that fits Miami's personnel, everyone is focusing on the OL and run game. but let's talk about the pass game. one thing that I like about Gattis' 2021 offense is that, contrary to the Briles system, he spread the ball around significantly. if you go look at Tennessee, Ole Miss, and Arkansas receiving stats, you'll notice that they lean heavily on just a few pass catchers. Lashlee did much of the same thing last year, which made sense given Rambo and Harley's experience. this year, our returning receiver (Key Smith) totaled only 405 yards. unless Jacolby George and Romello Brinson develop rapidly, we don't have obvious outside the hash receiver threats beyond Smith, which is really what the Briles offense is based on. where the current roster is strong is at TE, RB, and smallish receivers, which is far closer to how Gattis ran his offense last year. I actually think we need a coach who can design explosive passing plays instead of just relying on the QBs and WRs to win on go balls over and over the way that TVD and Rambo did last year. we have the QB to do that again, but I'm not sure we have the WRs yet. (Gattis will also throw deep plenty, just ask Nico Collins and Ronnie Bell).
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We were dead last in the ACC in rushing last season. I'm willing to bet anybody we'll be top 3 this season, not 3 years later. It doesn't take that long to run the ball effectively. Play calling diversity and creativity helps A LOT and we will have it with Gattis. That will be a focal point for Mario, so you better believe the run game will produce, and produce early.

Zero worries for me on offense, we will run and pass with the best of them.
Hopefully we don't have to rely on three freshmans for most of the season at tailback. That can help.
 
I don't dig the OC hire.

Every coach wants their OL to dominate and to run the ball but most don't have the players to do this. If we run Michigan's offense next year then we don't win more than 7 games. I hope we see a new offense for Josh but I have been around long enough to know that most coaches don't change their scheme and we just hired a coach that has coached at Alabama and Big Ten schools.
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