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Jordan Miller - 3 star - Commits!!!

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jackbenimble71 said:
Star ratings over time have been an effective way to rate kids on being college ready. Yeah maybe some 3 stars need a redshirt and 2 years to gain more skills. I am not a star ***** but I do value them. With that being said, there have been many underrated recruits who have been lowly rated and blew up in their senior year of high school or once they got to college. JJ watt, Justin fields, Nesta, gaynor, garvin the list goes on and on .

If Pruitt, Kool, and muschamp want this kid, I’m on board.
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I agree, people are obsessed with the stars when just 10 months ago Nesta wasn't even ranked in the top 500. Evaluators finally got their crap together and realized that he's probably the best DT in the country.
 
skeeter said:
my comparison of the two nose/1techs remaining our board (I also believe Silvera is good, well rounded enough to play at both tackle positions, so he may help out at nose too)

Coburn- I don't see many weaknesses. Looks strong and stout, maybe not a super freak athlete for 325, but definitely above average, not a pig. Stays low, probably because he's only 6'1...I can't imagine there are 3 or 4 better 0 or 1 tech in the country. Looks like he got rid of a little bad weight junior to senior year.

Miller- Needs upper body strength imo, gets a little high at times, more so when he seems to be tired on the play to begin with...or maybe it's standing upright that makes him look tired. Basically needs upper body strength and conditioning, can see that in his tackling, and the occasional getting stood up. More of the pear shape than Coburn who's wider in the shoulders, but this kid's legs and base are huge. Very quick off the ball and in short space, struggles a little laterally, but not a total sloth. I would say he is behind Coburn, but has upside. Raw at this stage, but a lot to like. 3*, top 30 true nose if you had to put a number on it. Needs 2 years to see the field imo, but I like the take at this stage.

Occupies space, blockers= Both
First step= Miller
Strength= Coburn
Balance/hard to move= Coburn slightly, stays lower
Agility/ Lateral Pursuit/overall athlete= Coburn
Motor= slight edge Coburn, but his film was shorter, and prob didn't show plays he took off.
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Miller’s upper body strength is just fine IMO. He just needs to get a bit coached up on getting off blockers. I did notice that his hands got stuck on the OLineman on a few occasions but that can be coached. Now your expert assessment on his tackling is a crapshoot but to each his own. He is legit gottdammit!
 
Ivan The Terrible said:
skeeter said:
my comparison of the two nose/1techs remaining our board (I also believe Silvera is good, well rounded enough to play at both tackle positions, so he may help out at nose too)

Coburn- I don't see many weaknesses. Looks strong and stout, maybe not a super freak athlete for 325, but definitely above average, not a pig. Stays low, probably because he's only 6'1...I can't imagine there are 3 or 4 better 0 or 1 tech in the country. Looks like he got rid of a little bad weight junior to senior year.

Miller- Needs upper body strength imo, gets a little high at times, more so when he seems to be tired on the play to begin with...or maybe it's standing upright that makes him look tired. Basically needs upper body strength and conditioning, can see that in his tackling, and the occasional getting stood up. More of the pear shape than Coburn who's wider in the shoulders, but this kid's legs and base are huge. Very quick off the ball and in short space, struggles a little laterally, but not a total sloth. I would say he is behind Coburn, but has upside. Raw at this stage, but a lot to like. 3*, top 30 true nose if you had to put a number on it. Needs 2 years to see the field imo, but I like the take at this stage.

Occupies space, blockers= Both
First step= Miller
Strength= Coburn
Balance/hard to move= Coburn slightly, stays lower
Agility/ Lateral Pursuit/overall athlete= Coburn
Motor= slight edge Coburn, but his film was shorter, and prob didn't show plays he took off.
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Miller’s upper body strength is just fine IMO. He just needs to get a bit coached up on getting off blockers. I did notice that his hands got stuck on the OLineman on a few occasions but that can be coached. Now your expert assessment on his tackling is a crapshoot but to each his own. He is legit gottdammit!
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Ya I would never downgrade a lineman, esp a tackle on tackling form or on being a little sloppy, because they are usually fighting off/thru contact act obviously. I'm just saying, his brute strength both in tackling and moving linemen seems to not quite be on par for his size. And I agree he is a legit player, don't mind him at all, and will welcome him to this class.
 
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It's really not hard to see why the staff like this kid, just watch the tape... let's get him in orange and green!!
 
TheMatador said:
ThomasM said:
Listed at 6'4" 330... This is where actual evaluations by coaches trump anything recruiting services put out there.

I actually like his film.

https://www.hudl.com/profile/5330257/Jordan-Miller
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Just doesn't seem fair. Looks like they put an NFL guy in a HS game. So much bigger and more powerful that it seems effortless. I would have loved to see him in one of those all-star games against top competition. I think he would have done pretty well. This is why it's often so hard for me to make evaluations. Often the guys we recruit dominate so easily in HS.
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Kid is a beast. Dude is quick and fast, especially for a guy his size. Not often do you see that kind of twitch on a guy his size.

He is a take all day. He could be a zero star. IDGAF. Take.
 
Kid is also a hard worker. Wants to be good..hes a take all the way..i like him more than Briggs
 
supersaiyanshel said:
Something has to be up with this kid besides him not camping. Grades/credits issue perhaps that just got cleared up? No way this dude stays under the radar literally 2 weeks before signing day and BOOM! ACC and SEC schools start offering out of nowhere.

I'm in regardless.
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He was at Palatka HS his first 3 years and didn't do the camp circuit, so he got overlooked. Plus he committed to Georgia Southern, so rating services ignored him.

Moved to Sandalwood for his senior year and his tape from there is finally getting out. We can thank Jennings's dad for the assist on this one
 
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Saw on the other site M. Shodell in an article said the U has become the "clear leader" for Miller.
 
Mahoney-Pearson said:
Big athletic kid with some nasty to him (watch the tape before you comment on the kid). Kool made his career off getting these players to the NFL, and y'all acting like there are 6'4", 330lbs athletic dudes everywhere at this stage in recruiting... I like his frame, hand usage, and tenacity. If he can get into better shape he'll be player and if Butch Davis offers this guy nobody says a word.
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Did Butch offer him?
 
"This is what BJ Jennings dad, who is the LB and strength and conditioning coach at this kids H.S. had to say about him:
"He’s 6-4, 330 and he can move. He’s a big, strong kid, is very physical, agile. He’s a good, humble kid, very smart and intelligent. I actually went through and evaluated a lot of kids coming out in his class - if he was being promoted and people knew about him that’s a 4 or 5 star kid.”

"Mandarin High head coach Bernard Harrell coached against Williams this past year said this:"

“He’s the real deal. He emerged out of nowhere. We played him and we couldn’t block him. I was like `Who is this kid?’”

"More from BJ Jennings dad:"

"Miami got the film last night, and this morning coach (Mark) Richt called with an offer,” said Jennings, who played at Florida State. “This kid, he’s legit, the real deal. I think he’s going to be a great one. I played with some really good D linemen playing at Florida State, but this kid is amazing, man. It’s hard to find kids that size, it’s very rare you find them that size that can come off the ball like him and stay low, penetrate through the holes and seek the ball out the way he does. He hustles, flies to the ball, it’s very rare in a kid his size."

"BJ's dads final thoughts on him:"

“I almost bet you that Miami’s the frontrunner now,” Jennings said. “He’s going to be really a dominant player for Miami. I think Miami got a steal. This is bigger than a sleeper. He’s unbelievable. He wrecks everything you put it in front of him. He blows up double teams and still makes the plays. I don’t think anyone can block the kid one on one.”
 
Freddie Bear said:
"This is what BJ Jennings dad, who is the LB and strength and conditioning coach at this kids H.S. had to say about him:
"He’s 6-4, 330 and he can move. He’s a big, strong kid, is very physical, agile. He’s a good, humble kid, very smart and intelligent. I actually went through and evaluated a lot of kids coming out in his class - if he was being promoted and people knew about him that’s a 4 or 5 star kid.”

"Mandarin High head coach Bernard Harrell coached against Williams this past year said this:"

“He’s the real deal. He emerged out of nowhere. We played him and we couldn’t block him. I was like `Who is this kid?’”

"More from BJ Jennings dad:"

"Miami got the film last night, and this morning coach (Mark) Richt called with an offer,” said Jennings, who played at Florida State. “This kid, he’s legit, the real deal. I think he’s going to be a great one. I played with some really good D linemen playing at Florida State, but this kid is amazing, man. It’s hard to find kids that size, it’s very rare you find them that size that can come off the ball like him and stay low, penetrate through the holes and seek the ball out the way he does. He hustles, flies to the ball, it’s very rare in a kid his size."

"BJ's dads final thoughts on him:"

“I almost bet you that Miami’s the frontrunner now,” Jennings said. “He’s going to be really a dominant player for Miami. I think Miami got a steal. This is bigger than a sleeper. He’s unbelievable. He wrecks everything you put it in front of him. He blows up double teams and still makes the plays. I don’t think anyone can block the kid one on one.”
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Okay, I’m sold. Jesus.
 
Yeah I'd want this kid even if we do get Coburn. **** it, Dude is a take.

Nesta and Chatman are gunna be Canes. If Coburn chooses us, I say **** it and also accept this kids commitment. Then Chatman can primarily play SDE all year, where we have a big need and Nesta can play 3tech DT where he can make a bigger impact. Honestly I might rather have Miller than Chatman, simply because the 1tech role is much more important to find a guy right now.

If we entered this season

1tech: Obendigo, Ford, Coburn, & Miller

3tech: Willis, Bethel, Nesta, Chatman, Martin (attritionable)

That would be legit af. And next year we would be in a really good position to take another 3-4 DTs (Some might be fringe SDE types like Chatman)
 
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Freddie Bear said:
"This is what BJ Jennings dad, who is the LB and strength and conditioning coach at this kids H.S. had to say about him:
"He’s 6-4, 330 and he can move. He’s a big, strong kid, is very physical, agile. He’s a good, humble kid, very smart and intelligent. I actually went through and evaluated a lot of kids coming out in his class - if he was being promoted and people knew about him that’s a 4 or 5 star kid.”

"Mandarin High head coach Bernard Harrell coached against Williams this past year said this:"

“He’s the real deal. He emerged out of nowhere. We played him and we couldn’t block him. I was like `Who is this kid?’”

"More from BJ Jennings dad:"

"Miami got the film last night, and this morning coach (Mark) Richt called with an offer,” said Jennings, who played at Florida State. “This kid, he’s legit, the real deal. I think he’s going to be a great one. I played with some really good D linemen playing at Florida State, but this kid is amazing, man. It’s hard to find kids that size, it’s very rare you find them that size that can come off the ball like him and stay low, penetrate through the holes and seek the ball out the way he does. He hustles, flies to the ball, it’s very rare in a kid his size."

"BJ's dads final thoughts on him:"

“I almost bet you that Miami’s the frontrunner now,” Jennings said. “He’s going to be really a dominant player for Miami. I think Miami got a steal. This is bigger than a sleeper. He’s unbelievable. He wrecks everything you put it in front of him. He blows up double teams and still makes the plays. I don’t think anyone can block the kid one on one.”
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Good info but this was already posted yesterday. post 101
https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/2*-dt-jordan-miller-offered/129729/6
 
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Kid plays behind his pads. I didn't see him playing high. He has good technique for a high school DT. He is a playmaker, not just someone who cleans up after other players disrupt.

Jennings Dad has watched this kid all season. He has ZERO reason to misled us with hyperbole. Miller is the real deal. Bring me Miller and Coburn.
 
One thing I want to do after signing day is put out a review of each of the players with stills showing what they're doing well and things that are cause for concern, or more coaching. I just got around to watching the kids film and if it wasn't in the title, I wouldn't have a clue what his star ranking is/was beforehand. I generally do not read the thread before posting my thoughts so as not to be influenced by the knowledgeable posters on this board.

Strengths:
Quickness- It's quite rare for a player of this size to have a first step quickness on the level of this kid. He isn't just a snap jumper, as I paused his tape several times right after the snap and he was moving in-sync with a player reacting, rather than guessing. He moves like a player that is 260 pounds.

Awareness- It's unusual for a NT to have the awareness of the ball that this player does. I'd want to watch a full game of his to see his bad plays as well, but there were several highlights of him identifying the ball, or a screen in impressive fashion. This is very important in today's game with read-option, inside zone, and jet sweeps.

Size- This isn't a kid that you're going to have to put 25 pounds on him before he can play the position. His frame is pear-shaped, but that's really what you want in a NT. His legs and butt are gigantic and powerful. Anytime a player of his size moves the way he does, he is going to have explosive legs. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a very good basketball at his size.

Skinny- This kid can make himself skinny to split a double-team like the truly elite DT's. To have the balance to turn, explode, take the hits, and still keep his eyes on the ball are outstanding qualities. I saw him explode through a double-team and had to rewind it and watch it again because it was teaching tape.

Motor- You can just see from this kids' on-field play he cares a great deal about the sport. This kid is giving nothing away and pursues like a top-notch DT. He understands angles, but he also made a few plays where he wasn't going to be the hero and he gave full effort nonetheless. I'm big on this particular attribute showing up any time I watch a player, and especially if I'm just looking at highlights. Think about it...the kid is telling you exactly what he thinks is important. These are his highlights (or at least with the help of others) so what he puts out to coaches to see tells us something about the person.

Coaching:
Tells- He gives away what technique he's going to be in at the snap. If he's going to two-gap, he stands straight up immediately and gives away his chest. He really needs to learn to bend his knees the same way at the snap or college OL will explode into him with their punch when they see his tells at the snap. It doesn't matter if you're the strongest guy on earth, if you give away your chest and your momentum is going upright and the OL is bending and exploding into your chest, you are losing leverage.

Arm usage- There were a few snaps where he used one arm to control the blocker and get out to make a tackle and I was excited. "One arm is longer than two!" He uses that locked out arm to control the blocker and get off quickly. But there were other times when he was engaged and couldn't get off the block. That will improve when he learns to use one arm to control the blocker and the other one is free to take his momentum where he wants to go. The good news is Coach Kool is one of the best in the nation at teaching this technique.

Weaknesses
Strength- I don't think it's a weakness of upper-body strength necessarily, but he needs to develop more explosiveness in his upper body. Some of his tackles were of the lunging/tripping variety, and since this was a highlight tape, I imagine they would've included more powerful hits if they had them to show off. He locks out and bull rushes well, but I still think he's underdeveloped in this area.

Stamina- You can see that he tires pretty easily. This isn't a criticism, he's just a kid and he's carrying a lot of mass around. As he gets into a college strength program he'll improve in this area. It needs to improve though to keep the same effort and motor when he's dog tired in the 4th quarter of the Miami heat.

Lateral agility- He's dynamite in a straight line, but when asked to change directions he struggles. Some of that could be due to lack of stamina above, but he definitely needs a strength coach to unlock some of the natural athletic ability from an agility standpoint.

Overall:
I watch these kids when they become Miami targets or commits, and this kid is a stud. I would take him over second to any DT prospect that we are looking at currently due to his size, on-field motor, quickness, and desire. He has a clue how to use his hands, as you saw a one-arm lockout, and you saw an arm-over swim to get free, but there is a lot to learn for this young man. His tools are obvious and if someone had him as a 2-star player after evaluating him, you should stop listening to that person because they are not seeing what they think they are seeing.

He's a legitimate 4-star prospect just because of the physical tools that he has that you can't teach. This is not a sloppy 310-pound kid. This is an athlete that carries his weight very well and will end up at 320 pounds and will be built into a player within two years.

Before anyone asks, Coburn is the one DT we are chasing that I would take over him. Not Briggs. Not Chatfield. Not Carson.
 
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