Jermaine Grace

Lu, why do you say it's not all the CBs fault? They have not played well, relatively same defense as last year, but with much better play among the front 7. Last year this group was very solid all things considered.

I said it's not all their fault. You're seeing a defense predicated on allowing certain things with the overarching goal of ultimately having offenses stop themselves. It is the opposite of a disruptive front that allows CBs/DBs anticipate and base their aggression on what they expect from a QB/offense. For example, we rarely force QBs to their off shoulder with overload blitzes. We rarely force QBs into 3-step drops or quick decisions. On the contrary, whether we're dropping into a softer zone or showing press, the entire field is often available and DBs will be on their heels.

What are these CBs strengths? The common refrain is we should be playing one gap press man because this is the defense they grew up playing in south Florida. No one ever mentions when they say that our entire starting defensive front isn't from south Florida. 2 CBs(Gunter and Crawford) who get plenty of run aren't as well. A third in Elder isn't either.

So what are the actual strengths of the guys that play?

I don't think you've ever seen me write that. When I talk about the strengths of the geographic region we recruit from, I'm talking about all defensive positions - not just DL. The strength of our guys is to play fast. They're not naturally big guys. I don't think we have more than 2 total DBs who are "process information" guys. Whether they're from South Florida or Mars, even those "assignment" guys will look slow when they're on their heels. I'd challenge anyone to produce evidence of a Defensive Backfield that performs well when the offense is dictating the alignment and pace. Then I'd challenge them to produce any data that shows we have ever dictated to an opponent. I can definitely show you where our formations - coverage and DL alignment - are completely predicated on the offense, however.

What is the actual make up of our guys? I see a defense with a pretty diverse background in terms of location throughout the two deep. I think currently the notion of "our guys" can be debated. They've gone abroad so to speak to grab nose tackles. You've talked about the feasibility of continuing that. Darrion Owens(Jacksonville) is gonna grow without much help into a 240 lb SAM. They've told Quarterman(Jacksonville) who was already 235 or so as a junior to slim down which he did according to his dad. We'll see if guys like Grace continue to be recruited. I think ones in south Florida will. We'll see how he does. Clearly they're making it more difficult on themselves recruiting this way because if they stay as rigid with recruiting and the defense as they've been the last the three years then plenty of playmaking Florida backers will go play somewhere else and we'll be ****ed the next couple of years.

As far as the defensive backfield is concerned I think a bit much is being made of those hope and prayers that were completed. I attribute it more to boredom and surprise that they needed to make a play more than anything else. Simply could've been a bad night for Tracy too.

I don't think Jamal Carter is playing slow. Armbrister isn't. Denzel is a liability in coverage but playing slow isn't a knock on him right now. Grace is another guy I believe who isn't too busy processing to make plays.

I think with the flexibility and talent of the safeties you'll see that secondary do more. A. Crawford went from a slot corner to a deep safety after the slot receiver motioned across the formation. Bush came down to cover him. I don't remember seeing that much if ever with this defense. Happened a couple other times too.
 
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Lu, why do you say it's not all the CBs fault? They have not played well, relatively same defense as last year, but with much better play among the front 7. Last year this group was very solid all things considered.

I said it's not all their fault. You're seeing a defense predicated on allowing certain things with the overarching goal of ultimately having offenses stop themselves. It is the opposite of a disruptive front that allows CBs/DBs anticipate and base their aggression on what they expect from a QB/offense. For example, we rarely force QBs to their off shoulder with overload blitzes. We rarely force QBs into 3-step drops or quick decisions. On the contrary, whether we're dropping into a softer zone or showing press, the entire field is often available and DBs will be on their heels.

What are these CBs strengths? The common refrain is we should be playing one gap press man because this is the defense they grew up playing in south Florida. No one ever mentions when they say that our entire starting defensive front isn't from south Florida. 2 CBs(Gunter and Crawford) who get plenty of run aren't as well. A third in Elder isn't either.

So what are the actual strengths of the guys that play?

I don't think you've ever seen me write that. When I talk about the strengths of the geographic region we recruit from, I'm talking about all defensive positions - not just DL. The strength of our guys is to play fast. They're not naturally big guys. I don't think we have more than 2 total DBs who are "process information" guys. Whether they're from South Florida or Mars, even those "assignment" guys will look slow when they're on their heels. I'd challenge anyone to produce evidence of a Defensive Backfield that performs well when the offense is dictating the alignment and pace. Then I'd challenge them to produce any data that shows we have ever dictated to an opponent. I can definitely show you where our formations - coverage and DL alignment - are completely predicated on the offense, however.

What is the actual make up of our guys? I see a defense with a pretty diverse background in terms of location throughout the two deep. I think currently the notion of "our guys" can be debated. They've gone abroad so to speak to grab nose tackles. You've talked about the feasibility of continuing that. Darrion Owens(Jacksonville) is gonna grow without much help into a 240 lb SAM. They've told Quarterman(Jacksonville) who was already 235 or so as a junior to slim down which he did according to his dad. We'll see if guys like Grace continue to be recruited. I think ones in south Florida will. We'll see how he does. Clearly they're making it more difficult on themselves recruiting this way because if they stay as rigid with recruiting and the defense as they've been the last the three years then plenty of playmaking Florida backers will go play somewhere else and we'll be ****ed the next couple of years.

As far as the defensive backfield is concerned I think a bit much is being made of those hope and prayers that were completed. I attribute it more to boredom and surprise that they needed to make a play more than anything else. Simply could've been a bad night for Tracy too.

I don't think Jamal Carter is playing slow. Armbrister isn't. Denzel is a liability in coverage but playing slow isn't a knock on him right now. Grace is another guy I believe who isn't too busy processing to make plays.

I think with the flexibility and talent of the safeties you'll see that secondary do more. A. Crawford went from a slot corner to a deep safety after the slot receiver motioned across the formation. Bush came down to cover him. I don't remember seeing that much if ever with this defense. Happened a couple other times too.

Fin, so you're basically saying that Donofrio is slowly but surely opening up the playbook and incorporating more aggression into his gameplans as he starts to trust his players?
 
he makes too many plays and that is not in line with the defensive scheme

Yeah, that's kind of true. Need to sit back and relax...watch what develops. When you see, you cross two time zones and make a play.

The great Satchel Paige had a quote about getting all worked up for no reason. It was not good for the health. I wish I could remember the quote.

Best to be laid back, relax, and eventually you'll see what's going on.
 
Too early to tell on this defense. By 10/1, we will know wha type of unit it is. My guess is a top 40 type D. Maybe 10 pts either side of that.
 
Crawford being not from south Florida means jack ****. Yall kills me with the whole tri county thing. We get it. Football teams from Tampa win state titles too.

Gunter is from Alabama. They have nationally ranked teams too.

What u need to be pointing out is how this defense alienates most kids at need positions because it's flawed.

High school ball isn't local anymore national powers play against national powers more frequently now.
Poor Crawford being from hillsborough county.

SOME OF THE GREATEST CANES AREN'T FROM THE TRI COUNTY AREA SOME AREN'T EVEN FROM FLORIDA. GO FIGURE
Lu, why do you say it's not all the CBs fault? They have not played well, relatively same defense as last year, but with much better play among the front 7. Last year this group was very solid all things considered.

I said it's not all their fault. You're seeing a defense predicated on allowing certain things with the overarching goal of ultimately having offenses stop themselves. It is the opposite of a disruptive front that allows CBs/DBs anticipate and base their aggression on what they expect from a QB/offense. For example, we rarely force QBs to their off shoulder with overload blitzes. We rarely force QBs into 3-step drops or quick decisions. On the contrary, whether we're dropping into a softer zone or showing press, the entire field is often available and DBs will be on their heels.

What are these CBs strengths? The common refrain is we should be playing one gap press man because this is the defense they grew up playing in south Florida. No one ever mentions when they say that our entire starting defensive front isn't from south Florida. 2 CBs(Gunter and Crawford) who get plenty of run aren't as well. A third in Elder isn't either.

So what are the actual strengths of the guys that play?
 
Lu, why do you say it's not all the CBs fault? They have not played well, relatively same defense as last year, but with much better play among the front 7. Last year this group was very solid all things considered.

I said it's not all their fault. You're seeing a defense predicated on allowing certain things with the overarching goal of ultimately having offenses stop themselves. It is the opposite of a disruptive front that allows CBs/DBs anticipate and base their aggression on what they expect from a QB/offense. For example, we rarely force QBs to their off shoulder with overload blitzes. We rarely force QBs into 3-step drops or quick decisions. On the contrary, whether we're dropping into a softer zone or showing press, the entire field is often available and DBs will be on their heels.

What are these CBs strengths? The common refrain is we should be playing one gap press man because this is the defense they grew up playing in south Florida. No one ever mentions when they say that our entire starting defensive front isn't from south Florida. 2 CBs(Gunter and Crawford) who get plenty of run aren't as well. A third in Elder isn't either.

So what are the actual strengths of the guys that play?

I don't think you've ever seen me write that. When I talk about the strengths of the geographic region we recruit from, I'm talking about all defensive positions - not just DL. The strength of our guys is to play fast. They're not naturally big guys. I don't think we have more than 2 total DBs who are "process information" guys. Whether they're from South Florida or Mars, even those "assignment" guys will look slow when they're on their heels. I'd challenge anyone to produce evidence of a Defensive Backfield that performs well when the offense is dictating the alignment and pace. Then I'd challenge them to produce any data that shows we have ever dictated to an opponent. I can definitely show you where our formations - coverage and DL alignment - are completely predicated on the offense, however.

What is the actual make up of our guys? I see a defense with a pretty diverse background in terms of location throughout the two deep. I think currently the notion of "our guys" can be debated. They've gone abroad so to speak to grab nose tackles. You've talked about the feasibility of continuing that. Darrion Owens(Jacksonville) is gonna grow without much help into a 240 lb SAM. They've told Quarterman(Jacksonville) who was already 235 or so as a junior to slim down which he did according to his dad. We'll see if guys like Grace continue to be recruited. I think ones in south Florida will. We'll see how he does. Clearly they're making it more difficult on themselves recruiting this way because if they stay as rigid with recruiting and the defense as they've been the last the three years then plenty of playmaking Florida backers will go play somewhere else and we'll be ****ed the next couple of years.

As far as the defensive backfield is concerned I think a bit much is being made of those hope and prayers that were completed. I attribute it more to boredom and surprise that they needed to make a play more than anything else. Simply could've been a bad night for Tracy too.

I don't think Jamal Carter is playing slow. Armbrister isn't. Denzel is a liability in coverage but playing slow isn't a knock on him right now. Grace is another guy I believe who isn't too busy processing to make plays.

I think with the flexibility and talent of the safeties you'll see that secondary do more. A. Crawford went from a slot corner to a deep safety after the slot receiver motioned across the formation. Bush came down to cover him. I don't remember seeing that much if ever with this defense. Happened a couple other times too.

Are you saying our coverage guys look as fast as they should? Some basic sky and cloud coverages aren't going to change the nature of our defenders. They did some of it last year as well. If you think you're seeing that for the first time, perhaps you're using the fact that we have more talent at certain positions to see things you want to see.

As for the "our guys," it means fast, aggressive guys. Like someone else stated, alluding to the broader geographic regions, HS football is getting to be more of an AAU culture now. You used two examples of really big kids who don't need to jack up their weight. You want the proof that the coaching mentality is rigid when it comes to size? Their best defensive player is someone they went back and forth on whether to offer him. Don't believe it? So be it. They didn't think Perryman was their type of player.
 
Too early to tell on this defense. By 10/1, we will know wha type of unit it is. My guess is a top 40 type D. Maybe 10 pts either side of that.

I think you're right, I also have the feeling they're going to be on the field so **** much they're going to get worn down.
 
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