Jeremy Pruitt to Tennessee

[Notsince1985]

Great hire. FSU defense fell off noticeably after he left.

Was that because of him? Or because they hired a hack to be DC and lost a lot of talent? I ask, because their defense in 2012, the year before Pruitt's only year at FSU, was basically the same statiscally as Pruitt's defense in 2013. FSU also averaged 51.6 points per game on offense in 2013, which helps the defense a little. I'm not saying Pruitt isn't a good coach, I just don't think he's God.

 

[jed2410]

Know who usually sucks as a HC? Elite offensive/defensive coordinators. You'll see, Tennessee's not done...there's plenty of fuel in that dumpster.


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Yea, Kriby's been a huge bust in Athens.

For every Kirby there's a Macelwian. And a Muschamp. Also a Strong, a Kiffin, and a Shannon.

Maybe those guys weren't "elite" per se, but each of them was respected as an assistant, and sucked it as a HC. Point is, being a great assistant doesn't have a lot to do with how good a HC you are.

And don't yell at me about Shannon, it wan't until after he sucked as a HC that people decided his defenses weren't that great.

This is utter and complete nonsense. Many coordinators go on to be great head coaches:

Jimmy Johnson
Bob Stoops
Mark Richt
Steve Spurrier
Pete Carroll
David Shaw

I mean...dont ALL Head Coaches have the position of coordinator at some point?

Most, but you have others like Urban and Dabo who were never coordinators

 

[mianjomar]

So Saban backs up the brinks truck and offers Kool the DC job. So yeah I worry about everything.

 

[KrazyCane]

Why are you worried about who coaches FSU?

Elite defensive coach and one of the best recruiters in the country

Lmao no

 

[KrazyCane]

Taggart actually has HC experience... Pruitt is a guarantee fail of a hire for any program.

He was like UTs 100th best choice?? Desperation hire.

 

[Tit-e-skr]

Beast defensive coordinator but no head coaching experience. Tennessee thinks he could be like Kirby smart just because he coached with Saban. That takes some stones by Tennessee.

not balls. desperation

Who did MR coach before getting the UGA job?

 

[segundo82]

Yea, Kriby's been a huge bust in Athens.

For every Kirby there's a Macelwian. And a Muschamp. Also a Strong, a Kiffin, and a Shannon.

Maybe those guys weren't "elite" per se, but each of them was respected as an assistant, and sucked it as a HC. Point is, being a great assistant doesn't have a lot to do with how good a HC you are.

And don't yell at me about Shannon, it wan't until after he sucked as a HC that people decided his defenses weren't that great.

This is utter and complete nonsense. Many coordinators go on to be great head coaches:

Jimmy Johnson
Bob Stoops
Mark Richt
Steve Spurrier
Pete Carroll
David Shaw

I mean...dont ALL Head Coaches have the position of coordinator at some point?

Most, but you have others like Urban and Dabo who were never coordinators

Dabo was the OC at Clemson when he was named interim HC.

 

[Notsince1985]

For every Kirby there's a Macelwian. And a Muschamp. Also a Strong, a Kiffin, and a Shannon.

Maybe those guys weren't "elite" per se, but each of them was respected as an assistant, and sucked it as a HC. Point is, being a great assistant doesn't have a lot to do with how good a HC you are.

And don't yell at me about Shannon, it wan't until after he sucked as a HC that people decided his defenses weren't that great.

This is utter and complete nonsense. Many coordinators go on to be great head coaches:

Jimmy Johnson
Bob Stoops
Mark Richt
Steve Spurrier
Pete Carroll
David Shaw

I mean...dont ALL Head Coaches have the position of coordinator at some point?

Most, but you have others like Urban and Dabo who were never coordinators

Dabo was the OC at Clemson when he was named interim HC.

No, he wasn't. He was WR coach and asst. HC. When he became interim coach, he also became OC because I think they fired the OC along with Bowden.

Edit: Dabo fired Rob Spence, the OC under Bowden as his first act as interim HC.

 

[ddann]

There's no DC Bama can get who is as good as Pruitt.

Saban should snap up that defensive coordinator on the Houston Cougars staff. He would be a great fit.

Would love to see Saban's reaction to No D flipping through his play sheets. if somebody has that gif please post it.

Saban would totally rehab D'Onofrio's career just like he did with Lane Kiffin.

 

[nycane]

People forget that it was Bob Stoops who built that FSU defense. Same guy who coached our secondary under coker.

 

[ddann]

People forget that it was Bob Stoops who built that FSU defense. Same guy who coached our secondary under coker.

Bob is the retired OU coach.

You're thinking of his brother, Mark.

 

[Billy D Williams]

There's no DC Bama can get who is as good as Pruitt.

Saban should snap up that defensive coordinator on the Houston Cougars staff. He would be a great fit.

Sabin would beat his *** with all their national championship trophies if he tried to teach his kids to drop back 10 yards on third downs

 

[ddann]

But think about the knowledge of the 3-4 that D'Onofrio could enlighten Saban with. It's what Bama has been missing over the last several years.

Read and react, baby.

 

[DTP]

Another can't miss hiring from the Nick Saban coaching tree! Besides Smart (who's only in year 2) have any of Saban's assistants ever had success after leaving his side? I guess you can sort of count Kiffen but I saw him more as a hired gun at OC than a Saban disciple.

 

[kryptonite]

Elite defensive coach and one of the best recruiters in the country

Know who usually sucks as a HC? Elite offensive/defensive coordinators. You'll see, Tennessee's not done...there's plenty of fuel in that dumpster.


View attachment 55925

Yea, Kriby's been a huge bust in Athens.

For every Kirby there's a Macelwian. And a Muschamp. Also a Strong, a Kiffin, and a Shannon.

Maybe those guys weren't "elite" per se, but each of them was respected as an assistant, and sucked it as a HC. Point is, being a great assistant doesn't have a lot to do with how good a HC you are.

And don't yell at me about Shannon, it wan't until after he sucked as a HC that people decided his defenses weren't that great.

This is utter and complete nonsense. Many coordinators go on to be great head coaches:

Jimmy Johnson
Bob Stoops
Mark Richt
Steve Spurrier
Pete Carroll
David Shaw

What's nonsense is the idea that head coaches are scary because they're offensive/defensive masterminds. That's what makes a great OC/DC, not HC.

What you want in a coach is management skill and charisma- the ability to motivate and make people want to be part of what you're doing. If you don't have that, the rest doesn't matter. Chip Kelly isn't going to win a NC because people don't like him that much. He'll have trouble getting along with boosters and attracting top kids. He'll do well, but I'm not worried about seeing him in the CFP. Same with Leech...put him at whatever school you want, he'll never win a NC.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Best SEC hire is Moorhead to MSU, IMHO.

 

[nycane]

People forget that it was Bob Stoops who built that FSU defense. Same guy who coached our secondary under coker.

Bob is the retired OU coach.

You're thinking of his brother, Mark.

right. i slipped up. sorry

 

[nycane]

Another can't miss hiring from the Nick Saban coaching tree! Besides Smart (who's only in year 2) have any of Saban's assistants ever had success after leaving his side? I guess you can sort of count Kiffen but I saw him more as a hired gun at OC than a Saban disciple.

its like belichick. Everyone wants to grab a piece of the magic by hiring his coaches.

 

[monkey1371]

Know who usually sucks as a HC? Elite offensive/defensive coordinators. You'll see, Tennessee's not done...there's plenty of fuel in that dumpster.


View attachment 55925

Yea, Kriby's been a huge bust in Athens.

For every Kirby there's a Macelwian. And a Muschamp. Also a Strong, a Kiffin, and a Shannon.

Maybe those guys weren't "elite" per se, but each of them was respected as an assistant, and sucked it as a HC. Point is, being a great assistant doesn't have a lot to do with how good a HC you are.

And don't yell at me about Shannon, it wan't until after he sucked as a HC that people decided his defenses weren't that great.

This is utter and complete nonsense. Many coordinators go on to be great head coaches:

Jimmy Johnson
Bob Stoops
Mark Richt
Steve Spurrier
Pete Carroll
David Shaw

What's nonsense is the idea that head coaches are scary because they're offensive/defensive masterminds. That's what makes a great OC/DC, not HC.

What you want in a coach is management skill and charisma- the ability to motivate and make people want to be part of what you're doing. If you don't have that, the rest doesn't matter. Chip Kelly isn't going to win a NC because people don't like him that much. He'll have trouble getting along with boosters and attracting top kids. He'll do well, but I'm not worried about seeing him in the CFP. Same with Leech...put him at whatever school you want, he'll never win a NC.

This is a moving the goal posts and changing the argument post.

Simply there is no blue print to follow or mold that makes a successful coach or not at a specific place. You have offensive/defensive masterminds be successful.....you have CEO types be successful, you have guys who pay their dues at stepping stone programs, you have guys who make the jump directly from an assistant to big time programs. You have Type A and Type B personalities, you have players coaches and bully coaches.

You can come up with a list of successes and failures for every type of scenario.

PS: When that fluke play happened in the Auburn/Oregon National Title game that led to Auburn winning in the last minute.....was that because people didn't like Chip Kelly and he didn't get along with boosters. Nobody likes Saban and he can't get along with anyone....so why does that apply to Chip Kelly and not Saban?

 

[drifters1234]

Yea, Kriby's been a huge bust in Athens.

For every Kirby there's a Macelwian. And a Muschamp. Also a Strong, a Kiffin, and a Shannon.

Maybe those guys weren't "elite" per se, but each of them was respected as an assistant, and sucked it as a HC. Point is, being a great assistant doesn't have a lot to do with how good a HC you are.

And don't yell at me about Shannon, it wan't until after he sucked as a HC that people decided his defenses weren't that great.

This is utter and complete nonsense. Many coordinators go on to be great head coaches:

Jimmy Johnson
Bob Stoops
Mark Richt
Steve Spurrier
Pete Carroll
David Shaw

What's nonsense is the idea that head coaches are scary because they're offensive/defensive masterminds. That's what makes a great OC/DC, not HC.

What you want in a coach is management skill and charisma- the ability to motivate and make people want to be part of what you're doing. If you don't have that, the rest doesn't matter. Chip Kelly isn't going to win a NC because people don't like him that much. He'll have trouble getting along with boosters and attracting top kids. He'll do well, but I'm not worried about seeing him in the CFP. Same with Leech...put him at whatever school you want, he'll never win a NC.

This is a moving the goal posts and changing the argument post.

Simply there is no blue print to follow or mold that makes a successful coach or not at a specific place. You have offensive/defensive masterminds be successful.....you have CEO types be successful, you have guys who pay their dues at stepping stone programs, you have guys who make the jump directly from an assistant to big time programs. You have Type A and Type B personalities, you have players coaches and bully coaches.

You can come up with a list of successes and failures for every type of scenario.

PS: When that fluke play happened in the Auburn/Oregon National Title game that led to Auburn winning in the last minute.....was that because people didn't like Chip Kelly and he didn't get along with boosters. Nobody likes Saban and he can't get along with anyone....so why does that apply to Chip Kelly and not Saban?

This. After seeing that quick list, Krypto had to change his theory.