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2026 James "JJ" Johnson 4* DT from Northwestern via Ft Myers Flips to Texas From UGA

If the subject matter of the thread still actually mattered (relatively speaking, as obviously none of this **** matters), I might lock it and open a 2.0 thread for the derail. But JJ's committed elsewhere. There's not going to be any news here unless he flips, and in that unlikely scenario we'd all hear the news because there'd be minimum 2 @Trinton Breeze articles about it.
 
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DC3 said:
And last season was wasted because of it. The won’t have that kind of
Offense this year to bail them out of 4-5 games this season
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The offense last season could’ve controlled the clock better by running the ball more. It was not a perfect offense contrary to what you or others may think. This season I believe we will run the ball more. We see things differently because I don’t believe the season was wasted. Rather, the team went as far as they could with a young, under coached secondary because the front end of the defense wasn’t bad.
 
canefan96 said:
First game will be a big test for our current DC, everyone in the football world knows what ND is going to do with those 2 top running backs and new QB.
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Our new DC came up with a great plan against Lincoln Riley and Lincoln is elite as they come on offense. If he can coach at that level I think he’ll have a great plan for Denbrock and ND. I’d argue last season’s defense was more much talented than what he was working with at Minnesota aside from the safety position. Hethermen will do well.
 
Alex_Dynamix said:
If we had that last season not only do we likely win the ACC, we prolly win a playoff game, our O + Cam was THAT good, we were a 21-0 meltdown away from the ACCCG while having one of the worst defenses we've ever seen at UM for christs sake...
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And IF I was 7 feet tall I’d be playing in the NBA. Unfortunately neither things happened
 
Memnon said:
Is it?

According to yalls logic, DT is the most important position on Defense, right?

THEREFORE, if we play a team with better DT's than us, we should lose?

If that's not the case, then what are YALL actually saying about the DT position??
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What position is entirely self reliant in a team game for wins and losses? Is it QB for you? You said Mike & edge is more important on defense. One at a time. If it's QB you stick with well just use Cam as an example. Was he the same person with incarnate word as he was with wsu as he was with us? For the most part yes he was minus the development. However what was demanded out of him to get those wins was different at each spot. Last season according to cams results worst case we should've had one loss. Yet that pesky team game **** kicked in. No man is going to win or lose games completely on their own. But several have far more value than others. Look at the teams we had mean Mike play but it didn't equate to wins necessarily. Does that mean that Mike wasn't better than others? No. Simply you can't do **** on your own.
 
Memnon said:
Is it?

According to yalls logic, DT is the most important position on Defense, right?

THEREFORE, if we play a team with better DT's than us, we should lose?

If that's not the case, then what are YALL actually saying about the DT position??
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This is really poor logic imo. Irrespective of whether DT is the most important position on defense, if someone says DT is the most important position on defense, that does not logically equate to them saying that the team with the better DT should or will win the game.

You said EDGE or Mike is the more important position on defense, which is okay to think. I don't know **** about football so I won't argue with you. But nobody is accusing you of saying whichever team has the better Mike should win the game.

Many people think QB is the most important position in football, but a lot of those people still picked the Eagles to beat the Chiefs in the super bowl, despite having the lesser QB. As you know, there are always other factors at play other than who has the best player at the most important position.

Don't turn people's opinion that DT is the most important position into a bad-faith argument.
 
305407cane said:
Would you say the defensive backfield is far and away more important? I flip flop on it all the time but being able to shut down a run game with less committed bodies is very advantageous. Tackles kind of drive that engine imo. But in the day of more passing maybe that’s not so. But being able to stop the run with a lighter box still is big if you ask me(a nobody)
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I'm the days of more passing you know how you eliminate it? By making the offense one dimensional. That's not stopping the run necessarily, it's doing that AND making their QB as uncomfortable as possible. This is why people put value in 7 on 7 & flag football. If a QB is able to camp out in a clean pocket I don't care how good your DBS are. They will not even come close to getting the results you want consistently. Far too much skill at this level too just say do your worst. A good pass defense is reliant on a good defensive front. But a good defensive front isn't reliant on **** else other than the scheme & the people in the box.
 
lurker said:
This is really poor logic imo. Irrespective of whether DT is the most important position on defense, if someone says DT is the most important position on defense, that does not logically equate to them saying that the team with the better DT should or will win the game.

You said EDGE or Mike is the more important position on defense, which is okay to think. I don't know **** about football so I won't argue with you. But nobody is accusing you of saying whichever team has the better Mike should win the game.

Many people think QB is the most important position in football, but a lot of those people still picked the Eagles to beat the Chiefs in the super bowl, despite having the lesser QB. As you know, there are always other factors at play other than who has the best player at the most important position.

Don't turn people's opinion that DT is the most important position into a bad-faith argument.
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My whole point is that saying DT is the most important position IS a bad faith argument, because when actually fleshed out the things that would make DT the most important position don't actually extend logically.

You all keep saying this is a bad argument & it doesn't make sense... I KNOW. That's what I'm literally telling yall by taking that argument & flipping it around.

Yall are actually agreeing with me lol
 
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Memnon said:
If the argument doesn't make sense it's because logically it falls apart when extrapolated out to fulfillment.

The reason why it doesn't make sense is because it's YALLS argument flipped back on you.

IF DT is the most important position on Defense, that means it should have the most impact on the Defense's performance.

DT's affect the game more than any other position on Defense, according to what yall are saying.

IF THAT IS TRUE, then that means what YALL are saying is that the team with better DT's is supposed to win the game more often than not.

If you can have the better DT's and still lose, then how much did those DT's actually affect the outcome of the game?

IF they're the most important position, they're supposed to have the most impact on the outcome of the game, right?
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Man this is a seriously terrible argument/defense.

I mean even if your argument made sense it would be wrong because absolutely nobody said it was the most important on the team, people were saying it was more important on the defense. QB is obviously the most important and obviously has the largest impact on W/L out of any position. Nobody said the team with better DT and worse qb must win more games lol.

And COMBINED obviously every other position on the roster FAR outweighs DT. DT is 2/22 starting spots. Even if you weighted each DT as 5x more value than every other position which nobody is saying at all, it STILL doesn’t mean it outweighs the value the other 20 starters bring. Just logically, If we assigned number value of 5 to DT importance and 1 to every other position (so a 5x value/importance vs the others), with 2 DTs that’s 10 total value pts out of 30 total (10 for DT, 20 for 20 other starters) on the starting roster. And obviously nobody has said it’s 5x more important to have good/great DT than Edge.

Secondly it’s not even just the players that have the impact on winning/performance, it is also the coaches. Which is actually a funny point to argue the DT (or edge) isn’t more valuable, because honestly it’s one of the few positions that is almost irrelevant what the scheme or gameplan quality is. LB and DB are far more impacted by the scheme being good or bad than DLine. And offensively that is SO obviously true there’s not even a point in talking about that side in how the coaches effect performance/results. So even if you had two 100% equal teams and one had great DT and one had bad DT as the ONLY difference in roster, the team with the better coach/scheme can obviously win….
 
Memnon said:
My whole point is that saying DT is the most important position IS a bad faith argument, because when actually fleshed out the things that would make DT the most important position don't actually extend logically.
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So is the opposite also true? Saying DT is the least valued position is also a bad faith argument? I mean technically your original comment was that it is the most overvalued. That does NOT mean it still isn’t the most valuable. Both statements can be true. So if you say it’s the most overvalued, and someone else says it’s the most important on defense… but the thing is your actual point seems to be that it’s not just overvalued but that it’s also less valuable than the other positions - certainly edge and Mike as you already said, but I don’t think it’d be making many assumptions to assume you also think DBs are more valuable as well. So why isn’t it ALSO bad faith to say it’s least valuable if it’s bad faith to say it’s most? Because when “fleshed out” you can absolutely have an argument defending it being valuable…
 
TboneJones said:
I put more of a premium on DL because DL are more rare athletes than OL.
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I feel like a lot of people are trying to over simplify football. It's hard to win with glaring weaknesses in general. Mahomes probably has 5 super bowls with better o-line play. However without good o-line play he looks mortal. I say this to say football is so team oriented that choosing one position as the most important is asinine. Ask Bills fans how important it is to have a good kicker or ask Packer fans if a good hands team is important. Part of what makes football great is the amount of harmony it takes to win at a high level.
 
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DT and corner are the two most important positions on defense in my eyes.

If you had a defense with B quality players at every spot but you had to hide a D- position group somewhere in there... DT and Corner are off the table. You would have a better time covering the deficiency if it were at other positions.

On top of that, DT is probably the position with the least amount of high grade players available that fit the size, athleticism, effort, work ether etc blueprint. That makes the good ones even more valuable.
 
Warrior808 said:
DT and corner are the two most important positions on defense in my eyes.

If you had a defense with B quality players at every spot but you had to hide a D- position group somewhere in there... DT and Corner are off the table. You would have a better time covering the deficiency if it were at other positions.

On top of that, DT is probably the position with the least amount of high grade players available that fit the size, athleticism, effort, work ether etc blueprint. That makes the good ones even more valuable.
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