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Jaden Francois in the Transfer Portal

AlixCane said:
But then you’re basically saying that every 18 year old kid gets a pass, that character doesn’t matter, that culture doesn’t matter, and that the staff should not factor in whether they think a kid will flake on us in the future and cost us a counter. What happens when this kid faces adversity at Miami?

It’s a zero sum equation. If we take him, it means there is high-character kid out there we have to say no to.

So yes, you have to consider character, past behavior, and culture-fit when figuring out who you want in your locker room.
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I didn't say that. He would have to prove himself. We haven't been good, but we're not some bumble**** program that will just take talent. Has he humbled himself, what's his attitude, state of mind, is he hungry, etc? Every situation is different. If you think he can help, reach out, and see where it goes from there.

Trust me on this, fans care far more about what happens on signing day than the recruits. Recruits realize the decisions are business decisions. Even when your boy picks your schools rival (FSU) or hated schools (ND, UF, OSU, etc) they're still your boy at the end of the day. They'll give each other ****, but that's about it.
 
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SayWhat said:
I didn't say that. He would have to prove himself. We haven't been good, but we're not some bumble**** program that will just take talent. Has he humbled himself, what's his attitude, state of mind, is he hungry, etc? Every situation is different. If you think he can help, reach out, and see where it goes from there.

Trust me on this, fans care far more about what happens on signing day than the recruits. Recruits realize the decisions are business decisions. Even when your boy picks your schools rival (FSU) or hated schools (ND, UF, OSU, etc) they're still your boy at the end of the day. They'll give each other ****, but that's about it.
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So if he walks in all apologetic that erases two years of data? I get the concept of second chances, and I am all for them, but not in every case. Again, if we give him a 'ship, that's a kid who DIDN'T pull all this crap on us that we have to now say no to and kick to the curb. Only so many spots.

And we've seen what a few bad apples can do to a locker room. Not to mention we are risking a counter. It's a different game now with the counters.

If we're trying to change the culture, let's change the culture.
 
I wonder about that other LB that chose Nebraska that was from North Florida, had decommitted from FSU and Miami was after. Real fast guy but in his visit he came alone, supposedly his didn't want him in Miami, but was ok with Nebraska.

Not too much Florida left from his class in Nebraska.
 
Cribby said:
He could’ve lead the universe in ints, you don’t want this type kid in your locker room.
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Agreed.

Kid is such a character nightmare, he makes Jeff Thomas look like a cross between Steve Walsh and Joaquin Gonzalez.

Tell the kid: "you played yourself. no offense, but it's a business decision."
 
Mangum said:
I wonder about that other LB that chose Nebraska that was from North Florida, had decommitted from FSU and Miami was after. Real fast guy but in his visit he came alone, supposedly his didn't want him in Miami, but was ok with Nebraska.

Not too much Florida left from his class in Nebraska.
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Greene. If he transfers (probably inevitable) he’ll just go home to FSU.
 
AlixCane said:
So if he walks in all apologetic that erases two years of data? I get the concept of second chances, and I am all for them, but not in every case. Again, if we give him a 'ship, that's a kid who DIDN'T pull all this crap on us that we have to now say no to and kick to the curb. Only so many spots.

And we've seen what a few bad apples can do to a locker room. Not to mention we are risking a counter. It's a different game now with the counters.

If we're trying to change the culture, let's change the culture.
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Feelings aren't part of recruiting. It's a tough business and you're getting caught up in your feelings.

If he says and does the right things and would be a player you as a coach thinks could help this team win, then you ask him to come play for you. It isn't that difficult to understand. The past is the past, you've made your amends, and sorry recruit x, y, and, z but good luck wherever.

Teams aren't built on feelings. There's a lot of recruits that do everything right, have a great attitude, but talent triumphs all. Culture is great, but it's not something you get or understand unless you're there on the team. Every great team isn't perfect with the absolute best attitudes all around, there's always players with issues.

So assuming you don't see issues, he can raise the talent level, you take him. It isn't rocket science, so get out if your feelings.

A few bad apples in the locker room hasn't been out problem for going on two decades now. It's been coaching and talent.
 
Some of you guys think football in video game terms.

The kid is unreliable in the ultimate team sport. No way...let him go to Juco & prove it.

Manny should put a restraining order on him so he can’t be within 500 feet of the fuggin school.🤣🤣
 
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SayWhat said:
Feelings aren't part of recruiting. It's a tough business and you're getting caught up in your feelings.

If he says and does the right things and would be a player you as a coach thinks could help this team win, then you ask him to come play for you. It isn't that difficult to understand. The past is the past, you've made your amends, and sorry recruit x, y, and, z but good luck wherever.

Teams aren't built on feelings. There's a lot of recruits that do everything right, have a great attitude, but talent triumphs all. Culture is great, but it's not something you get or understand unless you're there on the team. Every great team isn't perfect with the absolute best attitudes all around, there's always players with issues.

So assuming you don't see issues, he can raise the talent level, you take him. It isn't rocket science, so get out if your feelings.

A few bad apples in the locker room hasn't been out problem for going on two decades now. It's been coaching and talent.
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You couldn't have misunderstanded what I wrote more. I'm not caught up in "feelings," I'm being analytical. If I knew he could come in and ball and be a good teammate, I'd be all over it. I don't care about the fact that he chose another school. He's exhibited behavior that shows he's emotionally and behaviorally behind other potential prospects. I don't want him because I'm scared as shlt he's a flameout that will cost us a counter. Again, its zero sum equation. We have only so many counters, and I want to use them on kids I am CONFIDENT will be a positive contributor to the culture I am trying to create, be a good teammate, and will be able to power through any adversity he encounters while in my program.

It's just a different world now with the counter limits, recruiting mistakes cost you a lot more than they used to, and I'd rather have an extra '21 ship, especially with our momentum and limited spots, than risk taking this kid at a position we a re in good shape with. My 2 cents. Let's see what happens.
 
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Kids family wanted to get him away from his surroundings and bad influences. Staying in Miami wasn't really going to be an option despite how desperately he wanted to be a Cane, hence the flip flopping and the eventual Nebraska "decision".
 
AlixCane said:
You couldn't have misunderstanded what I wrote more. I'm not caught up in "feelings," I'm being analytical. If I knew he could come in and ball and be a good teammate, I'd be all over it. I don't care about the fact that he chose another school. He's exhibited behavior that shows he's emotionally and behaviorally behind other potential prospects. I don't want him because I'm scared as shlt he's a flameout that will cost us a counter. Again, its zero sum equation. We have only so many counters, and I want to use them on kids I am CONFIDENT will be a positive contributor to the culture I am trying to create, be a good teammate, and will be able to power through any adversity he encounters while in my program.

It's just a different world now with the counter limits, recruiting mistakes cost you a lot more than they used to, and I'd rather have an extra '21 ship, especially with our momentum and limited spots, than risk taking this kid at a position we a re in good shape with. My 2 cents. Let's see what happens.
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I see what you're saying, but you aren't just being analytical.

You have never spoken to this guy. Our coaches have.

You don't know talent wise if he's more talented than other guys we're on. You aren't part of the staff.

If he's more talented and sets things right with the staff, who are we to judge. We don't know what's said or goes on behind the scenes. It's up to the staff to determine what's a risk and what isn't.
 
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Goulds Cane said:
Miami Northwestern DB, in December when we were scrambling for corners we pushed for him & he declined us. According to people on here in the know is really good.
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Who?

I don't give a fvck, if some MNW kid is going to preemptively brag about his high-character move to stay at Nebraska after a couple of months, then he clearly hasn't comprehended that he made a mistake chasing Frost to Nebraska. When he wakes up, FIU will have a spot for him.

And, for the record, I know exactly who he is. And I stopped caring.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Who?

I don't give a fvck, if some MNW kid is going to preemptively brag about his high-character move to stay at Nebraska after a couple of months, then he clearly hasn't comprehended that he made a mistake chasing Frost to Nebraska. When he wakes up, FIU will have a spot for him.

And, for the record, I know exactly who he is. And I stopped caring.
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I GOT A FEELING I THINK I KNOW. WHO YOURE REFERRING TO.
 
AlixCane said:
So if he walks in all apologetic that erases two years of data? I get the concept of second chances, and I am all for them, but not in every case. Again, if we give him a 'ship, that's a kid who DIDN'T pull all this crap on us that we have to now say no to and kick to the curb. Only so many spots.

And we've seen what a few bad apples can do to a locker room. Not to mention we are risking a counter. It's a different game now with the counters.

If we're trying to change the culture, let's change the culture.
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I agree with you. But for the "Take Francois" crowd:

Francois was a verbal to UM. He decommitted.

Miami gave him a second chance. He decommitted a second time.

Miami gave him a third chance, brought him in for a visit just before National Signing Day. He and his father figure were all set to pull the T-shirt game on live streaming on National Signing Day.

Miami gave him a fourth chance, called him on NSD. Francois cried, hid out in the hallway, forced his entire school to be trapped in the gym for an hour while he was in hysterics, all before he proudly picked Nebraska by ripping open his shirt.

Now a bunch of soft-shouldered, veiny-calf Miami fans want to give this kid a fifth chance because their football scout abilities have led them to project that Francois has superior CB ability to anyone on Miami's roster and recruit list, and that Francois has learnt his lesson from his five mistakes and will be a blameless, spotless, tireless worker who will be a model to his teammates and small children alike, and he will never be a team chemistry problem.

Yeah, I remain unconvinced.
 
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