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It starts with the right coach

Dghustla said:
It’s not too much to ask and I agree. We are looking for signs of a well coached team and we haven’t seen them.

Having said that I can say it’s equally as wild to write Diaz off as a failure 4 games into tenure.
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I haven’t written him off. [Cue Seinfeld gif.]

We are discussing what is needed from a HC and whether we’ve focused on the right traits.

Hopefully he exceeds expectations. But it is clear to me the reasons he was hired were not the reasons we should hire a coach.
 
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One would hope that Enos sees the same things we do and adjusts accordingly. We've already dropped one conference game and losing another would possibly be the end of any Coastal ambitions. Its been said that he wants to run his offense and that's fine when the pieces are in place to do so which they obviously aren't right now. His seat gets hotter sooner than Diaz's.
 
I could care less about a connection to UM.

The #1 rule of a coaching search at a program like Miami is that the guy you get should not be a first time head coach. Say what you want about our current status as a football power, but Miami is not a place where guys should be learning on the job.

That's not to say I don't think Manny can one day be a good head coach. He can. But the mistakes we are seeing on the field right now are ones made by rookie HCs. At Temple, that's fine; at Miami, when this hire NEEDED to wash off the stink of 7-6, and when the athletic department didn't even contact -- let alone interview -- other candidates, it's unacceptable.

The only question now is how large a learning curve "getting the hang of it" is for Manny. If it's quick and he can manage to get through this season with double-digit wins, we'll be okay. But I'm not sure that's a realistic expectation right now.
 
Dghustla said:
It’s easy to play the results. Because we know ultimately those guys failed and again if you hated the randy/Richt hire from the jump that is your stance.
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This isn’t about emotions, or ‘playing results.’ I wasn’t thrilled with those hires or the processes that led to them. But as a fan, I rooted for their success. Still, the point is we should be able to learn from our mistakes, so we don’t keep repeating them. I am definitely pointing out that our decision-making framework and process for those hires appears to have been flawed.
Dghustla said:
And yes there are less risky hires. And guys that could have been less risky maybe had higher floors. But at the end of the day if We hired Dan Mullen or Mike Leach or Gary Patterson and those guys were 8-9 wins a year coaches we’d have run them out of town. (At this point if you can win 9 game consistently that'll prolly get you at least 7-10 years).
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Mullen and Patterson are very good football coaches, have proven they can run solid programs, and would be big upgrades from what we have. If the talent around UM is so great, those type of coaches are exactly what we should want. Get the program right, incrementally improve recruiting, wash, rinse, repeat.
 
When he pushed Richt to hire Patke as the extra onfield coach last year, and then made him the ST coach as well, I questioned if Manny is the right guy. Gun to your head, who is the best recruiter on the defensive staff? We are severely lacking on that front.

Now with Manny not calling the D, I can see the prestige of playing in an attacking defense waining if we start to suck in conference play.

Urban, Saban and even Kirby have been successful because they are cut throat and always looking to upgrade in everything they do. As Ethnic has mentioned, it doesn’t appear Manny is taking that same mentality
 
puertorricane said:
Manny was the right hire.
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After the LUCKY victory against a MAC bottom-feeder team, I've been seriously wondering about Diaz' ability to get Miami back as a legitimate Top 10 team. Again, I want to see how Miami performs against both Va. Tech and Virginia. If the outcome of both games is positive, then Miami will be riding on the MOMENTUM wave and then positive things will happen for the team.
 
The Franchise said:
OU made a phenomenal hire in Riley, and that’s why they’re killing it. They’ve made a bunch of bad hires over the years and couldn’t overcome them.
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Boomer Sooner was only in the doldrums with bad hires during the nineties after the legendary Barry Switzer retired following the 1988 season. Gibbs couldn't beat Boomer Sooner's MAIN RIVALS. So that's the main reason he was let go.; then Howard's cameo appearance; followed by a terrible hire in John Blake. Blake could recruit, but couldn't coach. In other words, Stoop won it all with Blake's PLAYERS!
 
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Dghustla said:
Very thought provoking thread. I will say that outside of Al Golden. The Randy and Richt hires, Weren’t bad hires at the time they made. And early returns seemed favorable. The Golden hire wasn’t good for all of the reasons mentioned. And I don’t think this issue was solely getting a real DC. Ppl forget that the local coaches hated him and it was bad for recruiting.

But here is the deal. There is no exact science to this. It’s all a crap shoot. There is no guarantee that the coach you hired is going to hit. How is Jimbo fisher working out for Texas A & M? Give him time to catch up to Bama, LSU and AU right? Exactly, that’s all you have is time. Frustrated with the results Manny is putting up, sure. but the bottom line is that no matter how vocal the “i Told you so in 2019” crowd wants to be right. Everyone is just going to have to wait and see.

There are only 3 sure things in coaching right now: Saban, Meyer and the Clemson staff (I say staff cuz we don’t know what Dabo will do if he has to to start hiring new coordinators every other year).

Outside of that you are hoping based on previous results that by giving coaches like Patterson, Gundy, Leach more talent than their opponents that their win pct. will increase but you don’t know if that coach has plateaued.

Edit: What about Peterson? To me he’s plateaued at UW in the same spot he did at Boise. Very good well coached team. Stuck on the outside of the championship picture. Waiting on multiple of the top teams to lose to have a chance.
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I disagree about Mr. Onion Head. Nothing personal against Onion Head, but he was a DESPERATE Fourth-tier hire. In other words, Coach Shannon just wasn't ready to be a head coach. Nothing more, nothing less. Nevertheless, Onion Head's coaching resume is miles and miles and miles beyond the current head coach at Miami.
 
Ethnicsands said:
You can make some inferences. It’s not a massive talent upgrade. He’s never been an aggressive recruiter as far as I can tell.

It’s not a major schematic shift to spread.

His changes were offensive staff and S&C. The new offense is more modern, but not an air assault.

So what does that leave you with? Manny thinks he can win by tweaking S&C, tweaking recruiting a bit, and updating the offense but not really changing our identity on either side of the ball.

Maybe he can.
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When you put it that way, he has failure written all over him.
 
Insanecane said:
Here's the rub, the successful head coaches made changes when their team was not performing to their standard. Dabo fired his DC, fired his OC, and hired guys who were proven. Same with Riley, and Saban. Diaz's hires have been somewhat suspect. His defensive staff is very inexperienced and unproven. His offensive staff the same. He'll have to show that he's willing to make changes, unlike Golden and Richt.
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Riley fired guys despite going to the playoffs. When’s the last time we had that sort of astute self-analysis and savage commitment to championship level play here? Can you imagine any of our HCs firing coordinators despite going to the CFP?
 
Ethnicsands said:
You can make some inferences. It’s not a massive talent upgrade. He’s never been an aggressive recruiter as far as I can tell.

It’s not a major schematic shift to spread.

His changes were offensive staff and S&C. The new offense is more modern, but not an air assault.

So what does that leave you with? Manny thinks he can win by tweaking S&C, tweaking recruiting a bit, and updating the offense but not really changing our identity on either side of the ball.

Maybe he can.
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Solid post. This very succinctly outlines my concerns about Manny.
 
Go Canes!! said:
Don’t think this team has quit or been lazy on game days. Went toe to toe for 60 minutes against the Turds, came all the way back from being down 17-3 at UNC and had the game in hand before that catastrophic 4th and 17.

Sloppy and mistake prone yes. Quitters, no.
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I don’t think they have quit either.

They are in a dangerous place, though.

Need to have a good game real bad on Saturday.
 
Ethnicsands said:
And yet UCF has become a very good program right under our eyes. Was that all bags?
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no, not at all.

you can be a "good program" doing the things that UCF has done, (state university, cheap tuition, low operating costs, low academic standards, etc.) …. but you will NEVER be "elite" without bags.
 
Ethnicsands said:
Richt was not a leader.

If we knew that leadership was an essential ingredient to success, and particularly to program building, we wouldn’t have hired him.

Sadly, we didn’t know that, because we aren’t good at hiring decisions. It is transparently obvious that he was hired under the theory that any old boob could win at UM if he just kept out of his own way, and Richt was our old boob, in any case, and good looking and Jesus talking too.
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Our AD is weak and listens too much to the chatter of former players like the dopes on this board do. He and they think that playing on or coaching a team from the early 90s or 2001 somehow imbues them with mystical powers to know what will work at UM.

That’s why so many decisions come down to looking for a Miami guy. They think there’s some magic to the area where recruits and players will only respond to someone from the area or someone attached to the glory days.

Meanwhile, our NC coaches had zero connection to the area or the culture and were rednecks and a dude from as far geographically from here as you can get.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
I haven’t written him off. [Cue Seinfeld gif.]

We are discussing what is needed from a HC and whether we’ve focused on the right traits.

Hopefully he exceeds expectations. But it is clear to me the reasons he was hired were not the reasons we should hire a coach.
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Ethnicsands said:
I haven’t written him off. [Cue Seinfeld gif.]

We are discussing what is needed from a HC and whether we’ve focused on the right traits.

Hopefully he exceeds expectations. But it is clear to me the reasons he was hired were not the reasons we should hire a coach.
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I’m not writing Manny off, either.

There are red flags waving in the wind though, especially on offense and special teams.

It’s been 4 games and 2 byes. Now is the time for the staff to show they see the problems and are adjusting.

Outside Baxa, I think special teams will be ok if they give it more focus in practice.

Offense needs to shift more towards rpo and 3 step drop passing. If Enos insists on under center, we need to add quicker passes there. It will slow down the rush if we can frustrate defensive linemen into trying to swat passes because we are not giving them any chance to get home with passes thrown in under 3 seconds (2.5seconds is even better).

I know we are not a zone block team, but zone read is a staple that everyone, even prostyle offenses, run. It is disappointing we don’t use it. Our handoffs are too slow and pulling linemen too much is hurting us.

There are many ways for Enos to get the ball out and I think he is smart enough to adjust quickly. We don’t need much. Just plays that give us a chance with a struggling line. We move the ball best this way. Proved it on the field game after game.

The offseason is what I am really looking at. Those adjustments will show whether he has it to be given more time like Dabo.
 
Face it, getting a new coach is always a crap shoot, for 1 Urban Meyer their are a hundred Golden's.
 
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