It does not take a great coach to win at Miami

[Footballhelmet]

Some people are claiming that Richt needs to be Saban to win at Miami. I do not think this is the case. None of our coaches except for Jimmy Johnson did anything truly great in their careers outside of Coral Gables. And even Johnson wasn't great at Oklahoma State or even with the Dolphins.

Richt's stint at UGA is more impressive than anything our other coaches not named Johnson have done outside of Coral Gables. And when he arrived in Coral Gables, it's not like anybody knew that Jimmy Johnson would be an NFL legend with 2.5 Super Bowl titles (half credit for Barry Switzer's Larry Cokerish SB win).

Richt should succeed as long as he's a top 20 coach. He doesn't have to be Saban.

To show how unimpressive many of our coaches were at their other stops answer these questions. Answer key is below.

1. I am thinking of a Miami coach who won a national championship. However, at the end of his career almost nobody had the slightest amount of interest in hiring him. The only job he could get was at a school without a football team. And he only got that job after being unemployed for 2 years. Nobody was willing to hire him in those 2 years.

2. I am thinking of a Miami head coach who nowadays is a position coach at the college level. He can't even get a coordinating job.

3. I am thinking of a Miami coach who went 28-22 at UNC. He couldn't get a job as a high school position coach if he tried.











Answer key

1. The answer is Howard Schnellenberger. After his job in the USFL turned out to be a fictional joke, he went to Louisville. He posted a losing record at Louisville while playing mostly against CUSA type opponents. Then he went to Oklahoma. In just 1 year he became one of the most hated men in state history. Then he was unemployed in 1996 and 1997 unable to get an offer anywhere. In 1998 he finally got a job at a startup team, with play starting in 2001. He had some success at FAU but capped his tenure with a 1-11 season.

2. The answer is Dennis Erickson, the only Canes coach to win 2 titles. He was fired as ASU head coach after he went 31-31 there. He is the RB coach at Utah nowadays. He can't even get a coordinator job. Well in 2013 he was Utah's OC. But he got demoted.

3. After you incorrectly answered Larry Coker for question 1 and Randy Shannon for question 2, you got this correct. Congrats on your 33.3% score. For in case you lack brain cells the answer is Butch Davis.

Richt is a better coach than Erickson Davis or Schnellenberger.

 

[404Usernamenotfound]

It's not 2000 anymore. Social media has changed recruiting. Miami isn't winning **** without a GREAT coach. ****, the general consensus is that Richt is our savior, and look at all the recruiting battles we have lost in the last week. We cant get worse than Golden, so we are definitely on an upswing, but don't think for a second that all it takes is a half decent coach.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

Some people are claiming that Richt needs to be Saban to win at Miami. I do not think this is the case. None of our coaches except for Jimmy Johnson did anything truly great in their careers outside of Coral Gables. And even Johnson wasn't great at Oklahoma State or even with the Dolphins.

Richt's stint at UGA is more impressive than anything our other coaches not named Johnson have done outside of Coral Gables. And when he arrived in Coral Gables, it's not like anybody knew that Jimmy Johnson would be an NFL legend with 2.5 Super Bowl titles (half credit for Barry Switzer's Larry Cokerish SB win).

Richt should succeed as long as he's a top 20 coach. He doesn't have to be Saban.

To show how unimpressive many of our coaches were at their other stops answer these questions. Answer key is below.

1. I am thinking of a Miami coach who won a national championship. However, at the end of his career almost nobody had the slightest amount of interest in hiring him. The only job he could get was at a school without a football team. And he only got that job after being unemployed for 2 years. Nobody was willing to hire him in those 2 years.

2. I am thinking of a Miami head coach who nowadays is a position coach at the college level. He can't even get a coordinating job.

3. I am thinking of a Miami coach who went 28-22 at UNC. He couldn't get a job as a high school position coach if he tried.











Answer key

1. The answer is Howard Schnellenberger. After his job in the USFL turned out to be a fictional joke, he went to Louisville. He posted a losing record at Louisville while playing mostly against CUSA type opponents. Then he went to Oklahoma. In just 1 year he became one of the most hated men in state history. Then he was unemployed in 1996 and 1997 unable to get an offer anywhere. In 1998 he finally got a job at a startup team, with play starting in 2001. He had some success at FAU but capped his tenure with a 1-11 season.

2. The answer is Dennis Erickson, the only Canes coach to win 2 titles. He was fired as ASU head coach after he went 31-31 there. He is the RB coach at Utah nowadays. He can't even get a coordinator job. Well in 2013 he was Utah's OC. But he got demoted.

3. After you incorrectly answered Larry Coker for question 1 and Randy Shannon for question 2, you got this correct. Congrats on your 33.3% score. For in case you lack brain cells the answer is Butch Davis.

Richt is a better coach than Erickson Davis or Schnellenberger.

Silly post.

Richt didn't take over rebuild jobs like Schnellenberger and Butch. They named a building after Schnellenberger at Louisville because in 5 years he took them from 2-9 to 10-1-1 and a Fiesta Bowl win.

Erickson won 11 games and a Fiesta Bowl at Oregon State. Guy can coach. He just couldn't recruit or keep his kids out of trouble.

This is a myth.

 

[Footballhelmet]

Some people are claiming that Richt needs to be Saban to win at Miami. I do not think this is the case. None of our coaches except for Jimmy Johnson did anything truly great in their careers outside of Coral Gables. And even Johnson wasn't great at Oklahoma State or even with the Dolphins.

Richt's stint at UGA is more impressive than anything our other coaches not named Johnson have done outside of Coral Gables. And when he arrived in Coral Gables, it's not like anybody knew that Jimmy Johnson would be an NFL legend with 2.5 Super Bowl titles (half credit for Barry Switzer's Larry Cokerish SB win).

Richt should succeed as long as he's a top 20 coach. He doesn't have to be Saban.

To show how unimpressive many of our coaches were at their other stops answer these questions. Answer key is below.

1. I am thinking of a Miami coach who won a national championship. However, at the end of his career almost nobody had the slightest amount of interest in hiring him. The only job he could get was at a school without a football team. And he only got that job after being unemployed for 2 years. Nobody was willing to hire him in those 2 years.

2. I am thinking of a Miami head coach who nowadays is a position coach at the college level. He can't even get a coordinating job.

3. I am thinking of a Miami coach who went 28-22 at UNC. He couldn't get a job as a high school position coach if he tried.











Answer key

1. The answer is Howard Schnellenberger. After his job in the USFL turned out to be a fictional joke, he went to Louisville. He posted a losing record at Louisville while playing mostly against CUSA type opponents. Then he went to Oklahoma. In just 1 year he became one of the most hated men in state history. Then he was unemployed in 1996 and 1997 unable to get an offer anywhere. In 1998 he finally got a job at a startup team, with play starting in 2001. He had some success at FAU but capped his tenure with a 1-11 season.

2. The answer is Dennis Erickson, the only Canes coach to win 2 titles. He was fired as ASU head coach after he went 31-31 there. He is the RB coach at Utah nowadays. He can't even get a coordinator job. Well in 2013 he was Utah's OC. But he got demoted.

3. After you incorrectly answered Larry Coker for question 1 and Randy Shannon for question 2, you got this correct. Congrats on your 33.3% score. For in case you lack brain cells the answer is Butch Davis.

Richt is a better coach than Erickson Davis or Schnellenberger.

Silly post.

Richt didn't take over rebuild jobs like Schnellenberger and Butch. They named a building after Schnellenberger at Louisville because in 5 years he took them from 2-9 to 10-1-1 and a Fiesta Bowl win.

Erickson won 11 games and a Fiesta Bowl at Oregon State. Guy can coach. He just couldn't recruit or keep his kids out of trouble.

This is a myth.

I'm not demeaning what those coaches did at Miami. I'm just pointing out that it's hard to be impressed with what they did the rest of their career. I notice you conveniently mention Schnellenberger's 10-1-1 season without noting the rest of his tenure there. For example, his 22-23 record in the next 4 years before he went to OU. Including the 2-9 season right after the Fiesta Bowl season. Even that Fiesta Bowl was a fluke invite. It only occurred because numerous teams turned down the Fiesta Bowl due to the Arizona governor's refusal to have MLK Day.

I can't imagine that any Canes fans would view Schnelly's Louisville and FAU stints as great if it weren't Schelly. Schnellenberger went .439 starting up FAU while Coker went .448 starting up UTSA facing better competition. And who on this website is calling Coker's UTSA tenure spectacular? Nobody is and rightfully so.

Not sure what the story was with Erickson at ASU but he was very unsuccessful there. He did have a great stint at Oregon State though. He did better in his post Miami days than Schnellenberger did but he still had a bad stint where he got fired.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

I'm not demeaning what those coaches did at Miami. I'm just pointing out that it's hard to be impressed with what they did the rest of their career.

That's because you're not taking into account the kind of challenges and risks they took.

If Schnellenberger stayed at Miami would his resume have been impressive then? You're saying his career isn't impressuve because he took a risk (USFL) instead of going with the sure thing (Miami).

The fact that he left Miami doesn't make him less of a coach.

You're employing a weird standard.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

I notice you conveniently mention Schnellenberger's 10-1-1 season without noting the rest of his tenure there. For example, his 22-23 record in the next 4 years before he went to OU. Including the 2-9 season right after the Fiesta Bowl season.

Yeah. Louisville was a garbage program that the took to a 10-win Fiesta Bowl season.

Also that school without a football program? He took them to a 1-AA national semifinal in his 3rd year.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

I can't imagine that any Canes fans would view Schnelly's Louisville and FAU stints as great if it weren't Schelly. Schnellenberger went .439 starting up FAU while Coker went .448 starting up UTSA facing better competition. And who on this website is calling Coker's UTSA tenure spectacular? Nobody is and rightfully so.

Those programs were built from scratch. No **** they're not going to have winning records.

Again your standard here is bizarre.

 

[919cane]

 

[The []_[]]

I think Miami can and will win. I just think it's very different in south Florida recruiting. We can't and we won't win every recruiting battle. It's about how we play on the field. Get it in your heads that FSU and UF, Michigan and SEC schools like Bama and Georgia will come here and get the attention of the recruits every single year.

 

[hesskilla]

Yeah.......Erickson is hot garbage.....I'm sure that's why he has twice won PAC12 coach of the year for two separate teams. Also, the dude is 70 and still has a college job. Maybe he is a position coach because he doesn't want to be a coordinator.

GTFOH with your disrespect for the legends.

 

[Footballhelmet]

I'm not disrespecting the legends. I'm just pointing out that Richt really did better outside of Miami than they did.

 

[miktran75]

I dont know how old you are but let me enlighten you on the fact Miami was nothing but suntan U before Howard Schnellenberger

 

[wisecane]

I dont know how old you are but let me enlighten you on the fact Miami was nothing but suntan U before Howard Schnellenberger

With a pretty good assist from Lou Saban. The cupboard wasn't overflowing, but far from bare when Howard got here.

 

[The Franchise]

Saban isn't a miracle worker either. He wins through recruiting. He wasn't x and o'ing his way around anyone at Michigan State.

Richt is either going to do almost exactly what he did at UGA, or he'll get better results because he's actually coaching the offense. He won't do worse than he did at UGA.

 

[Zbrod95]

Saban isn't a miracle worker either. He wins through recruiting. He wasn't x and o'ing his way around anyone at Michigan State.

Richt is either going to do almost exactly what he did at UGA, or he'll get better results because he's actually coaching the offense. He won't do worse than he did at UGA.

I'll be happy with that like probably everybody will...for a while but the glass ceiling is definitely be easier to break here than it ever was with UGA and he came close 2-3 time at UGA to breaking through.

 

[travis]

Some people are claiming that Richt needs to be Saban to win at Miami. I do not think this is the case. None of our coaches except for Jimmy Johnson did anything truly great in their careers outside of Coral Gables. And even Johnson wasn't great at Oklahoma State or even with the Dolphins.

Richt's stint at UGA is more impressive than anything our other coaches not named Johnson have done outside of Coral Gables. And when he arrived in Coral Gables, it's not like anybody knew that Jimmy Johnson would be an NFL legend with 2.5 Super Bowl titles (half credit for Barry Switzer's Larry Cokerish SB win).

Richt should succeed as long as he's a top 20 coach. He doesn't have to be Saban.

To show how unimpressive many of our coaches were at their other stops answer these questions. Answer key is below.

1. I am thinking of a Miami coach who won a national championship. However, at the end of his career almost nobody had the slightest amount of interest in hiring him. The only job he could get was at a school without a football team. And he only got that job after being unemployed for 2 years. Nobody was willing to hire him in those 2 years.

2. I am thinking of a Miami head coach who nowadays is a position coach at the college level. He can't even get a coordinating job.

3. I am thinking of a Miami coach who went 28-22 at UNC. He couldn't get a job as a high school position coach if he tried.











Answer key

1. The answer is Howard Schnellenberger. After his job in the USFL turned out to be a fictional joke, he went to Louisville. He posted a losing record at Louisville while playing mostly against CUSA type opponents. Then he went to Oklahoma. In just 1 year he became one of the most hated men in state history. Then he was unemployed in 1996 and 1997 unable to get an offer anywhere. In 1998 he finally got a job at a startup team, with play starting in 2001. He had some success at FAU but capped his tenure with a 1-11 season.

2. The answer is Dennis Erickson, the only Canes coach to win 2 titles. He was fired as ASU head coach after he went 31-31 there. He is the RB coach at Utah nowadays. He can't even get a coordinator job. Well in 2013 he was Utah's OC. But he got demoted.

3. After you incorrectly answered Larry Coker for question 1 and Randy Shannon for question 2, you got this correct. Congrats on your 33.3% score. For in case you lack brain cells the answer is Butch Davis.

Richt is a better coach than Erickson Davis or Schnellenberger.

richt can beat clemson occasionally maybe even half the timr

the team i really want him to beat is fsu

one can only hope but i am pulling for yall big time in that one

 

[NVA CANE]

The biggest myth among canes fans is that you don't need to be a great coach to win at Miami. Its outright false and stupid. From Howard to Dennis the coaching was top notch. Butch wasn't a great coach but was an elite recruiter.

Miami is no different than any other big time program, we need a good to great coach that can recruit enough elite talent to win. Richt is good enough to win it all just not sure if he will. He needs to recruit at an elite level though to have a chance

 

[TheMatador]

I'm not demeaning what those coaches did at Miami. I'm just pointing out that it's hard to be impressed with what they did the rest of their career.

That's because you're not taking into account the kind of challenges and risks they took.

If Schnellenberger stayed at Miami would his resume have been impressive then? You're saying his career isn't impressuve because he took a risk (USFL) instead of going with the sure thing (Miami).

The fact that he left Miami doesn't make him less of a coach.

You're employing a weird standard.

Schnellenberger was considered a heck of a coordinator with the Dolphins but a bust with the Baltimore Colts. His coaching duties were taken away from him during a game by the owner, Bob Irsay, who started to call plays. That was the end of his head coaching career before Miami. That's my recollection.

Too many factors, including luck, injuries, etc. can affect coaching success.

Some coaches seem to do great wherever they go, like Saban and Urban Meyer. Or it could be they were geniuses in only seeking out and taking perfect situations. I don't remember Saban's record at Michigan State, but LSU was a great situation for almost any coach, rich and fertile recruiting area, big university with lots of money, great facilities, etc.

 

[TheMatador]

The biggest myth among canes fans is that you don't need to be a great coach to win at Miami. Its outright false and stupid. From Howard to Dennis the coaching was top notch. Butch wasn't a great coach but was an elite recruiter.

Miami is no different than any other big time program, we need a good to great coach that can recruit enough elite talent to win. Richt is good enough to win it all just not sure if he will. He needs to recruit at an elite level though to have a chance

Other coaches, at the time, thought Dennis Erickson was an offensive genius. Terry Donahue at UCLA said Erickson had the best conceived offense in the Pac-10. He had some good assistants, like Sonny Lubick, to run the defense. At one time or another he had Bob Bratkowski, Bob Karmelowicz, Ed Orgeron and some others who were considered very good assistants at the time.

 

[TheMatador]

I dont know how old you are but let me enlighten you on the fact Miami was nothing but suntan U before Howard Schnellenberger

With a pretty good assist from Lou Saban. The cupboard wasn't overflowing, but far from bare when Howard got here.

Saban was pretty good, and somebody who was knowledgable about the program in the late '70's, early '80's told me that if Saban had stayed we would have won an NC even sooner. The person who told me this said Saban could get any kid he wanted, he was that good of a recruiter.