It’s TVD, Not Dawson or Mario

[F-MarioCristobal]

Before I buy into this logic, someone is going to have to explain how our formations and concepts look exactly the same from Josh Gattis to Shannon Dawson. Condensed sets. 3X1 bunch. Too much 12 personnel. Zero use of the RB in the passing game. Dawson didn't run Duo very much before he came here.. now it's religious. Not that Duo is the problem.. just shows this isn't entirely Dawson's offense.

Its the exact same offense as last year and the OCs came from completely 100% different backgrounds. Looks to me like they're running what a certain someone wants to run.

Only way this offense is going to loo "modern" or whatever cliché term gets thrown around is to have a mobile QB extending plays and making things happen that aren't designed.

 

[PSU Cane]

There’s no great OC without a great QB. TVD is the problem, not Dawson or Mario. You can’t call plays if your QB can’t competently execute. There is no confidence in TVD right now and this has affected the offensive game plan. The Dawson that we saw in the first 4 games did not suddenly forget how to coordinate a modern offense. Mario did not suddenly dislike the winning offense of the first 4 games in preference for the present.

I am tired of all this hire new HC or coordinator talk every year. Some of you guys here just like that. News flash - Mario and Dawson will be firmly here next season. The team has clearly improved in all areas and Stevie Wonder can see it. We are a QB away from being an elite offense. We are already an elite defense.

Seven wins or eight and a bowl game was projected by many before the season. We are on track. We, as fans, got greedy and ahead of ourselves after the first 4 games…especially after TA&M. Patience.

There are plenty of great coaches out there who have average QBs putting up numbers. Players and coaches go hand in hand. There’s fault on both sides.

 

[Cane6]

Why would he come here? FSU will also be looking for a QB as will many other programs. What has this staff shown that would attract a top transfer QB? People have been harping on the fact that we couldn't be creative Saturday because Emory Williams is a true freshman and was making his second start of his career and first start on the road vs our arch rival who was undefeated and ranked #4 in the nation. Still, there were many things we could have done that would have been very easy even for an inexperienced Emory Williams to execute.


Everyone do yourselves a favor and watch the Student of the Game series by Roman Marciante. Particularly the latest episode breaking down the FSU/Miami game. Roman does a great job of keeping things simple and easy to understand. Roman highlights a few things in this video that Cristobal/Dawson could have/should have done that would have been very easy for Emory to execute. You could tell that Roman was baffled by the staff's inability or just flat out unwillingness to do any of these things.

It’s inexcusable what Dawson is doing. It’s laziness or stupidity…. I won’t accept either

We have to do better

 

[PIPO]

Exactly! I was under the impression that this staff was very involved with self scouting because during the bye, that's all they would talk about. Self scouting this. Self scouting that. Blah blah blah blah self scouting, analyse our own tendencies blah blah blah.

I'll put it this way..... If this staff does any self scouting whatsoever, they are sending the information to our opponents. Not that opposing defensive coordinators need any help figuring out what we are going to do on offense. I have not seen any type of effort by our staff to change our tendencies or to set up our opponents by playing off our tendencies. There is no valid excuse for that no matter who the QB is or what his skill level might be. This is coaching malpractice and flat out incompetence. 8 million? For this half a$$ed garbage? There must be a clause in the contract that allows the contract to be voided in the case of willful negligence! It's literally mind-blowing!

I think in simplest terms for people here maybe to see the light is the following and you tell me if I am off here:

Guidry - Look at how he changes the game plan on defense based on the opponent. Against Clemson, he rolled out a 3-3-5 look. From game to game he’s changing the way the defense plays. Puts his players in situations to take advantage of their skill sets.

Dawson - Can you say, that like Guidry, he is making the same adjustments and changes in strategies with his personnel?

 

[miamicanephins]

There’s no great OC without a great QB. TVD is the problem, not Dawson or Mario. You can’t call plays if your QB can’t competently execute. There is no confidence in TVD right now and this has affected the offensive game plan. The Dawson that we saw in the first 4 games did not suddenly forget how to coordinate a modern offense. Mario did not suddenly dislike the winning offense of the first 4 games in preference for the present.

I am tired of all this hire new HC or coordinator talk every year. Some of you guys here just like that. News flash - Mario and Dawson will be firmly here next season. The team has clearly improved in all areas and Stevie Wonder can see it. We are a QB away from being an elite offense. We are already an elite defense.

Seven wins or eight and a bowl game was projected by many before the season. We are on track. We, as fans, got greedy and ahead of ourselves after the first 4 games…especially after TA&M. Patience.

To blame one player when the corches are in charge is overly simplistic, misguided, and not correct in any way.
Corchobal is 100% responsible.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

I think in simplest terms for people here maybe to see the light is the following and you tell me if I am off here:

Guidry - Look at how he changes the game plan on defense based on the opponent. Against Clemson, he rolled out a 3-3-5 look. From game to game he’s changing the way the defense plays. Puts his players in situations to take advantage of their skill sets.

Dawson - Can you say, that like Guidry, he is making the same adjustments and changes in strategies with his personnel?

I think that is a fantastic example! When you look at both coordinators there is a huge difference in the way their respective units are deployed and ultimately utilized. Guidry is like a chemist or the stereotypical mad scientist in his lab(sideline) mixing and matching different potions(using elements of different schemes) in order to come up with the best recipe for conquering today's challenge which is different from yesterday's. Dawson on the other hand is like a doctor who gives the same prescription to every patient no matter the illness. Guidry truly dwarfs Dawson in practically every respect.

 

[mossmadness]

Offense was good to very good with TVD in ‘21.

Why is it so bad with TVD since Mario took over?

 

[JD08]

When my kid comes home with a bad grade, I don't try to figure out if the teacher has a grudge or is incompetent or that he missed a class or or forgot homework. I tell him I expect more. When he gives excuses, I tell him it's his responsibility, there is something he can do about it and he'd better figure it out fast.

I have so much apathy towards this program now, that my take is it's Mario's responsibility, there is something he can do about it and he'd better figure it out fast.

 

[bacane]

on dawson - 3 years of film on TVD - 3 years of watching him lack passion and leadership - they have to know better - jacurri and emory should have been playing since last year.

Yeah, brilliant after-the-fact idea. One is a true freshman and the other a QB with accuracy issues. Obviously clear choice was to go with TVD and hope injuries and half-*** season of a year ago was in the rear view mirror and Dawson could rebuild him with a few new pieces around him. Unfortunately, he got banged up again after a nice start, has since struggled physically and mentally, and coaching staff has understandably lost all confidence in him. Thus, pull back the offense, limit the risk and play to the run game and defense. Could Dawson be more creative? ****, yeah. But the QB room is a mess.

 

[Atom Atlas]

When my kid comes home with a bad grade, I don't try to figure out if the teacher has a grudge or is incompetent or that he missed a class or or forgot homework. I tell him I expect more. When he gives excuses, I tell him it's his responsibility, there is something he can do about it and he'd better figure it out fast.

I have so much apathy towards this program now, that my take is it's Mario's responsibility, there is something he can do about it and he'd better figure it out fast.

 

[MizCane]

I’d be motioning Chris Johnson, Brashard and Ray Ray pre snap to confuse and keep defenses honest. Watch Andy Reid use his speedy gadget players to scheme up the passing attack and run game.
We see none of this at all. It’s a joke!

 

[Invalid Username]

Dawson is just another OC. He doesn’t help himself with his philosophy. It’s the same crap he ran at Houston, and those fans were ecstatic when we took him away lol. The same 5 plays over and over again with zero creativity is going to kill any qb.

If we had a more mobile qb, this probably isn’t an issue. Defenses don’t have to worry about our qb going outside the pocket. Just sit back in zone and cover the same 3 routes over and over again.

 

[PIPO]

Dawson is just another OC. He doesn’t help himself with his philosophy. It’s the same crap he ran at Houston, and those fans were ecstatic when we took him away lol. The same 5 plays over and over again with zero creativity is going to kill any qb.

If we had a more mobile qb, this probably isn’t an issue. Defenses don’t have to worry about our qb going outside the pocket. Just sit back in zone and cover the same 3 routes over and over again.

Someone posted a video here, forgot who it was on a thread, of a game of Tulane v Houston with Clayton Tune at RB.

It was pretty much a lot of the same stuff he’s called here and if it wasn’t for Tune’s ability to scramble and make plays with his feet, a lot of those plays would’ve been dead in the water.

 

[NYCane89]

Great OCs can take an avg QB, hide their deficiencies, and highlight what they do well.

PPL forget that TVD when he first burst on the scene was talked about as the best QB we've had in the last 20 years. He was talked about as a potential Heisman candidate/1st round pick. What the **** happened???

In hindsight that may have been due to Lashlee's tempo offense. All Mario had to do was continue that model and just tweak the running game- it worked. We scored TDs in bunches. But we went away from that - 1st with Gattis Winged T - the look at the sideline after you get lined up which killed any offensive flow to Dawson's unimaginative "air raid." I am not an X's and O's guy, but I do know that whatever system we are running now, it aint working.

The injuries - it's pretty **** obvious TVD was injured - but they kept trotting him out there. Mario should've had a real back up QB on the roster - not a true freshman, and not a guy that couldn't hit the side of a barn from 10 feet out. Now he's got a serious case of the yips. Not making excuses for him, but playing injured surely can't help.

I remember when Ppl used to **** on Brock Berlin (me included). That's because Brock under center was an avg QB at best. BUT when you put him in the gun - totally different animal. One of the best. Brock was the epitome of a system QB.

TVD - may be a system QB- just not the current system.

It's easy to just blame the QB, but IMO, it's a combination of factors including coaching.

 

[PIPO]

The Chiefs scored in like 2-3 of these pases vs my Eagles in the Super Bowl last year. Since Dawson likes to not use the middle of the field, why not use a clear out play like this with Brashard, Ray, X, George, etc every once in a while out of different sets? Excellent red zone play or on a play like 3rd and 3 vs just running it up the gut or something else that’s not imaginative? This stuff doesn’t have to be rocket science in college.

 

[RightSaidFred]

It's also the ACC refs.

I mean how deep in the end zone does someone have to be tackled for a safety to be called?

We beat FSU if they call that safety.

 

[bornagaincane]

If Dawson is calling lots of the same plays he called at his previous stops (i.e. Houston), then how is Mario meddling?

 

[caneworld]

Dawson has hit his ceiling... this all you are going to get

 

[Hoyacane1620]

Great OCs can take an avg QB, hide their deficiencies, and highlight what they do well.

PPL forget that TVD when he first burst on the scene was talked about as the best QB we've had in the last 20 years. He was talked about as a potential Heisman candidate/1st round pick. What the **** happened???

In hindsight that may have been due to Lashlee's temp offense. All Mario had to do was continue that model and just tweak the running game- it worked. We scored TDs in bunches. But we went away from that - 1st with Gattis Winged T - the look at the sideline after you get lined up which killed any offensive flow to Dawson's unimaginative "air raid." I am not an X's and O's guy, but I do know that whatever system we are running now, it aint working.

The injuries - it's pretty **** obvious TVD was injured - but they kept trotting him out there. Mario should've had a real back up QB on the roster - not a true freshman, and not a guy that couldn't hit the side of a barn from 10 feet out. Now he's got a serious case of the yips. Not making excuses for him, but playing injured surely can't help.

I remember when Ppl used to **** on Brock Berlin (me included). That's because Brock under center was an avg QB at best. BUT when you put him in the gun - totally different animal. One of the best. Brock was the epitome of a system QB.

TVD - may be a system QB- just not the current system.

It's easy to just blame the QB, but IMO, it's a combination of factors including coaching.

100% TVD hasn't forgotten how to throw/play.

It's been a vicious circle. Dawson has done little to help TVD out while he's healing and playing. IDK if that's all on Dawson or if Mario is involved. But both of them have been absolute blockheads when it comes to helping out the offense. I'd go so far as to say that TVD has been pressing to make plays to get a win - he knows how much talent is on the team and he says it every time he speaks He KNOWS they can win. The pressing and playing with physical limitations has led to the mental stuff. Can you blame him? He was absolutely drilled at UNC which led to a few of the injuries he's struggled with since.

Why do people think Mario consistently talks about how tough TVD is? Does anyone think this has been the system of offense TVD thought Dawson was going to run??????? It certainly isn't what the fan base expected.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

Offense was good to very good with TVD in ‘21.

Why is it so bad with TVD since Mario took over?

Because the slow plodding and methodical offense that Mario gets off on is total kryptonite to a rhythm passer like TVD who thrives in an uptempo quick read system. This cumbersome and boring check with me garbage literally exposes all of TVDs weaknesses and flaws while using none of his strengths.

The better question is why would a head coach purposely put his QB in an offense that his QB cannot run and that magnifies his flaws?

Edit: @CaneTheGaytors I'll tell you why. Because at the end of the day, when the rubber meets the road, running his preferred style of 4 corners, slow it all down to a crawl and run the RBs into a loaded box bro style offense is far more important to him than putting the most important offensive player in a position to succeed. It's far more important to win the TOP battle than it is to put your QB in a position to consistently move the offense.

At halftime of the FSU game he was on the sidelines talking to the reporter about how we have to move the sticks. LOL that's comical Mario! The irony of that is that by playing slow phone booth run into a brick wall bro style offense we can't move the sticks! We can't move the sticks because everyone knows what is coming and we run the plays right into the teeth of the defense. We could draw the entire defense into the box only to run a misdirection and take it outside but no!!!! You see, that would be running away from the defense and that isn't Tuff and it's not Fizicul. People want to know why we have guys like Brashard Smith that go underutilized. Why no jet sweeps or end arounds to Smith? Again, that isn't Fizicul football bro! We have to be Tuff and Fizicul and knock those defenders back not try to trick them or run to areas where they aren't. That would be sissy football. We can't just depend of running away from defenses. We can't be in a position where we depend on tricking the defense and we certainly "can't depend on throwing it all over the place." like Mario allegedly told Dawson earlier in the year during the bye. No! We have to be Tuff and Fizicul bro!