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brock said:
He just might, who knows. I know he likes LSU a lot but I’m sure there is always going to be some affinity for the u especially considering his pops loves Miami so much
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Let me put it to you this way. When we win big the way we're supposed to this season and JR still is an LSU lean then Rumph is a useless sack of meat.
 
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aleahy said:
I still don’t understand how Butch Barry was allowed to be hired to coach a position group that needed a complete overhaul. The guy had all of 1 year experience coaching OL in college. There was absolutely zero evidence that he could recruit, develop, and coach an OL in the ACC. And, he had no relevant recruiting experience or ties to any relevant areas to recruit to Miami.

He was just Dan’s buddy from CMU. Any competent AD would have forced the brakes to be pumped on that hire. Made zero sense from day 1 and it was a total debacle.
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Should have been an immediate non-starter for Enos if that was one of his demands.
 
TrueFloridian said:
Watch the Pitt game when he played RT. It’s horrifying. You’d have thought he was playing against a ****ed off Lawrence Taylor. I’ve never seen a UM RT play that bad. The backup 230lb TE, who was forced to start at RT against FSU in early 90s, looked better than Sherbert.
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Carlos Etheridge I believe.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
My friend, this bylaw just explains the ability to back-count EEs to the prior academic class if there are free ICs. I put my lawyer hat on and put some comments into your quoted by-law, orange & green style. No snide-ness intended, just trying to put help put this debate to rest (for my own sanity).

But can the aid year come later? No stop on when it has to be.


* Note, none of the preceding is legal advice, and I have had several beers. So if you rely on any of this in a way that causes you financial harm or other damages, you are a moron and a slapd!ck.
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PittsburghCane said:
Walker counted to 2020 confirmed, as mentioned previously by @TheOriginalCane
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“InsideTheU reported last week that the Hurricanes had made contact with Houston offensive lineman Jarrid Williams. It’s unclear at the time where exactly things stand with Williams, but the latest intel suggests that Miami is still pushing for the veteran tackle.

If UM were to land Williams, who is also believed to be considering Baylor and FSU amongst others, he would be counted towards 2021 window. That means the Hurricanes, in theory, would be working with 24 spots for the 2021 recruiting class given the current 25-man “hard cap” that the NCAA has put into place.”
 
TheOriginalCane said:
It's not a guess, NorthEastCane has actually cited the rule correctly.

You CANNOT count Fall 2020 enrollees forward to the 2021-2022 school year.
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I never said that u could. That Asa Martin part though is just not true. Whether or not we get that ic back from him means nothing. It's a bonus if we do but it's not necessary to take more transfers.
 
Zbrod95 said:
“InsideTheU reported last week that the Hurricanes had made contact with Houston offensive lineman Jarrid Williams. It’s unclear at the time where exactly things stand with Williams, but the latest intel suggests that Miami is still pushing for the veteran tackle.

If UM were to land Williams, who is also believed to be considering Baylor and FSU amongst others, he would be counted towards 2021 window. That means the Hurricanes, in theory, would be working with 24 spots for the 2021 recruiting class given the current 25-man “hard cap” that the NCAA has put into place.”
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That is, literally, a violation of NCAA rules.

Ivins keeps changing his story. This is what he told me on Friday:

  • Andrew Ivins May 8, 8:06 AM

  • Miami has one counter left from the 2019-2020 window of 25.

I would love it if the rules don't apply to us, I'm just not sure that's the case.
 
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BigBoi said:
I never said that u could. That Asa Martin part though is just not true. Whether or not we get that ic back from him means nothing. It's a bonus if we do but it's not necessary to take more transfers.
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You are wrong about taking more transfers. You're just...wrong.
 
Usafcane88 said:
Has he enrolled? He could wait until August to enroll and would be counted forward. Obviously that only matters if we get Williams.
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How many times does it need to be stated? Fall 2020 cannot CANNOT "count forward". Multiple people have posted the NCAA rules. It is clear. Fall 2020 either counts NOW (2020-2021) or BACK. Not forward.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
That is, literally, a violation of NCAA rules.

Ivins keeps changing his story. This is what he told me on Friday:

  • Andrew Ivins May 8, 8:06 AM

  • Miami has one counter left from the 2019-2020 window of 25.

I would love it if the rules don't apply to us, I'm just not sure that's the case.
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He keeps changing the story because he doesn’t know , he has to keep moving the goal posts to sound legit and to make the 9.99 seem worth it. I have nothing against him , he’s a good writer and writes good articles on recruiting. That’s the strength of that site. But sadly if you’re there for inside info he just doesn’t have much.

His sauce is somebody the staff allows to feed him what they want him to eat. It’s pretty obvious especially knowing some things I know before him , I can literally see him changing the stories while hedging his bet. But in his defense that’s all the 247 guys.

If you want to read good articles and know about Sfla names in recruiting then drop that 9.99, if you do it for first hand insider info in the program you’re wasting your money.
 
Cribby said:
He keeps changing the story because he doesn’t know , he has to keep moving the goal posts to sound legit and to make the 9.99 seem worth it. I have nothing against him , he’s a good writer and writes good articles on recruiting. That’s the strength of that site. But sadly if you’re there for inside info he just doesn’t have much.

His sauce is somebody the staff allows to feed him what they want him to eat. It’s pretty obvious especially knowing some things I know before him , I can literally see him changing the stories while hedging his bet. But in his defense that’s all the 247 guys.

If you want to read good articles and know about Sfla names in recruiting then drop that 9.99, if you do it for first hand insider info in the program you’re wasting your money.
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Anything new on the Houston transfer @Cribby
 
Cribby said:
He keeps changing the story because he doesn’t know , he has to keep moving the goal posts to sound legit and to make the 9.99 seem worth it. I have nothing against him , he’s a good writer and writes good articles on recruiting. That’s the strength of that site. But sadly if you’re there for inside info he just doesn’t have much.

His sauce is somebody the staff allows to feed him what they want him to eat. It’s pretty obvious especially knowing some things I know before him , I can literally see him changing the stories while hedging his bet. But in his defense that’s all the 247 guys.

If you want to read good articles and know about Sfla names in recruiting then drop that 9.99, if you do it for first hand insider info in the program you’re wasting your money.
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Y’all are saying the same thing tho Cribby, that we are taking more transfers, which contradicts Original Cane.

I feel that we will do what I posted in a bylaw previously, and count Williams as a 20-21.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
How many times does it need to be stated? Fall 2020 cannot CANNOT "count forward". Multiple people have posted the NCAA rules. It is clear. Fall 2020 either counts NOW (2020-2021) or BACK. Not forward.
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I think the confusion is the definition of forward.

I understand "FORWARD" as 2020-21 which is the class we are currently recruiting for. I see it as forward because its not the timeframe we are currently in.

You are counting "FORWARD" as three semesters from now 2021-2022.

I think we are all saying the same thing. We can take transfers as long as they count against the 21 class (the one with Thad Franklin, Brantley, etc).

Does this make sense?
 
PittsburghCane said:
I think the confusion is the definition of forward.

I understand "FORWARD" as 2020-21 which is the class we are currently recruiting for. I see it as forward because its not the timeframe we are currently in.

You are counting "FORWARD" as three semesters from now 2021-2022.

I think we are all saying the same thing. We can take transfers as long as they count against the 21 class (the one with Thad Franklin, Brantley, etc).

Does this make sense?
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No. It doesn't make sense.

The NCAA rules clearly say a person who signs to receive financial aid for the first time in the fall counts towards THAT YEAR. Later, it says that people who get financial aid for the first time in the spring or summer can "count forward" to the next academic year.

We are NOT "currently recruiting" for the 2020-2021 class. We are not. We ALREADY HAVE recruited for the 2020-2021 class, and we signed those kids earlier in the year, even if they enrolled early (spring 2020, since there IS NO summer 2020).

It doesn't matter if you "understand" forward as 2020-2021. It just isn't. Go look at the language of the rules. It says "that year". Meaning, if you get financial aid for the first time in fall 2020, you are NOT "counting forward" to 2020-2021, you are counting to THAT YEAR. "Forward" would mean 2021-2022. Read the words.

And, no, we can't "take transfers as long as they count against the 2021 class. We. Can't. Do. That. Unless these "transfers" come in Spring 2021, they can't "count forward" to the 2021-2022 class.

I'll say it one more time.

For decades, a February signing class meant that everyone enrolled in August. Then, some kids started showing up in the summer, to get a jump on practice. Then, high schools cooperated and you started to see more mid-year graduations, when kids could enroll as early as January. But January and summertime are kids coming EARLY.

Put this a different way. The IC rules had to start sometime. The IC rules actually became effective August 1, 2010. Thus, the first academic year was 2010-2011. What that means is this. A school did NOT get to sign 25 kids to enroll them in January 2010 (thus beating the IC rule effective date) and then sign another 25 kids to enroll in August 2010. That's not how it works, that's not how it was created.

In fact, if you go back to the language of the earliest versions of the IC rules, it applied to LOI signings that took place between December 1 and May 31. In the original drafting, that would mean that anyone who signed in December/reported in January, and anyone who signed in February-May time period/reported in Summer/Fall, would be considered to be a part of the same class.

Since the original drafting of the IC rules, there have been a lot of structural changes in college football, and there have been revisions to the rules. The primary "big picture" changes include the rise of January enrollment, the introduction of the "non-binding" Financial Aid Agreement, and the "early signing period".

But going back to my initial example, in Year 1 of the IC rules, the entire group of recruits who signed LOIs from December 1 to May 31 counted as a part of the same class, the same group that was limited to 25 ICs. Thus, a person who signed in December/reported in January was just the "front-end" of a signing class that would be counted as of the 2010-2011 academic year. You didn't get to "loophole" the rule (which you knew was in progress) by enrolling a ****e-ton of kids in January 2010 who would "never count". The rule was ALWAYS intended to allow schools to bring kids in EARLY, though the number of early enrollees back in 2010 was much lower.

So then, once the FIRST YEAR of the IC rules were established, and all of the December 1, 2009 to May 31, 2010 signees all counted towards the 2010-2011 academic year, everything followed accordingly. The rule did NOT establish, as of August 1, 2010, that your "Fall 2010 enrollees" and your "Spring 2011 enrollees" were in the same class. That did not happen.

But what the rule DID provide for, was that if you did not enroll 25 of your December 1, 2009-May 31, 2010 recruits by August 2010, you could "carry forward" your unused IC slots, and then use them in the NEXT year as "count backs".

Thus, if your 2010 signing class (including early enrollees) did not hit 25, you could use those unused slots for your 2011 signing class, which covered signees from December 1, 2010 to May 31, 2011.

I realize that those dates are no longer included in the rules. But that was what was ORIGINALLY created, and there was no magical time period where you got to sign 50 kids by breaking up your signing class by enrollment date.

August is when each school has to certify that (a) they have 85 "counters" or fewer, and (b) they have used their 25 "initial counters" (or fewer) for THAT academic year (i.e., 2020-2021). The kids you sign in December 2020 and January and February of 2021 do NOT count against 2020-2021 (unless you have one or two remaining 2020-2021 IC slots), they "count forward" to 2021-2022.

I realize that if people ONLY read the current rules, which have been amended multiple times over the years, they can get confused. But go back and find the original language of the IC rules. I assure you, the language (at that time) made it clear that a signing class (subject to the IC limit of 25) included people who signed between December 1 and May 31.

So it's time for the CIS amateurs to stop ******* around and telling us about how Fall 2020 enrollees can "count forward" to 2021-2022. They can't. And all of our January 2020 enrollees, as well as our August 2020 enrollees (and there are not going to be any Summer 2020 enrollees) are on the "2020-2021 academic year" IC list.

That's just...how the rule works. Always has. You don't get to put all of your January 2020 enrollments on the 2019-2020 bill, and all your August 2020 enrollments on the 2020-2021 bill.

Doesn't work that way.

And, if the rule is not clear enough, Fall 2020 enrollees can't "count forward".

"Kids who can play football in 2020" and "Kids who can play football in 2021" are two different recruiting classes. No matter when you sign them or enroll them. You can't magically wish this so that "Spring 2020 enrollees who can play in Fall 2020" and "Fall 2020 enrollees who can play in Fall 2020" are in two different IC groups.

Can't do it.
 
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And just because people can be hard-headed, here is the original version of the IC rules:

15.5.1.10 Offers Exceeding Maximum Allowable Awards. An institution may offer more than the maximum number of permissible awards in a sport (per Bylaw 15.5) in anticipation that not all of the offers will be accepted, but the institution shall not exceed the awards limitation in the sport in question.

15.5.1.10.1 Limitation on Number of National Letter of Intent/Offer of Financial Aid Signings—Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] In bowl subdivision football, there shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid from December 1 through May 31. (Adopted: 1/16/10 effective 8/1/10, Revised: 1/14/12 effective 8/1/12)



Obviously the language has changed over the years. But this is the ORIGINAL text of the IC rules, which clearly puts a limit of 25 on the class of recruits who sign LOIs between December 1 through May 31. Which included January enrollees.

And, yes, before anyone tries to get too cute, they took the dates out so that schools couldn't "loophole" this by waiting until June 1.

Now the rule covers when you FIRST receive the financial aid. And in order to get December signees into the same class as August enrollees, that's why they introduced the "count forward" language.

They did it to CLOSE the June 1 loophole, not to OPEN a super-secret loophole that only CIS porsters know.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
And just because people can be hard-headed, here is the original version of the IC rules:

15.5.1.10 Offers Exceeding Maximum Allowable Awards. An institution may offer more than the maximum number of permissible awards in a sport (per Bylaw 15.5) in anticipation that not all of the offers will be accepted, but the institution shall not exceed the awards limitation in the sport in question.

15.5.1.10.1 Limitation on Number of National Letter of Intent/Offer of Financial Aid Signings—Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] In bowl subdivision football, there shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid from December 1 through May 31. (Adopted: 1/16/10 effective 8/1/10, Revised: 1/14/12 effective 8/1/12)



Obviously the language has changed over the years. But this is the ORIGINAL text of the IC rules, which clearly puts a limit of 25 on the class of recruits who sign LOIs between December 1 through May 31. Which included January enrollees.

And, yes, before anyone tries to get too cute, they took the dates out so that schools couldn't "loophole" this by waiting until June 1.

Now the rule covers when you FIRST receive the financial aid. And in order to get December signees into the same class as August enrollees, that's why they introduced the "count forward" language.

They did it to CLOSE the June 1 loophole, not to OPEN a super-secret loophole that only CIS porsters know.
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So the only way for Williams is to blueshirt as long as we don’t give an OV or visit him, and he signs fin aid in camp time (SCe did it a few times last year as reference https://www.thestate.com/sports/col...h-carolina/usc-football/article238863833.html ———- and Nebraska last December https://247sports.com/college/nebra...-Nebraska-football-Blueshirt-offer-140635070/ )

And Tags bro would have to blueshirt or grayshirt, which TUA could cover year 1 and Taulia protects eligibility.
 
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