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Is This Program At The Caliber We Think It Is?

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We all throw coaches names around to replace golden because we believe this program is still one of the top programs in the country. But is it really a top tier destination or are we all deluding ourselves?

Sure we are in a Power 5 conference and we are in a hotbed of talent, but we have an admin that is not dedicated to winning. They simply have not and will not invest in the program and have mediocre expectations at best.

The question is, are we deluding ourselves to a certain degree as to the attractiveness of this program to other coaches?
 
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Any one who thinks Miami is viewed in the coaching community as a plum job hasn't been paying attention for the last 10 years.
 
I think we have as much or more potential to be an elite program than anyone. Thing is, it takes work to do that. Where we are now, if we don't get this next hire right, we'll end up like Pittsburgh. Used to be good. Churn out elite pros every few years. Never really win anything significant.
 
i wouldnt want to coach here with the pressure, u need butch a no excuse baws n gon get his players. no last minute decommits
 
919Cane2DaGrave said:
I think we have as much or more potential to be an elite program than anyone. Thing is, it takes work to do that. Where we are now, if we don't get this next hire right, we'll end up like Pittsburgh. Used to be good. Churn out elite pros every few years. Never really win anything significant.
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i think we already there bruh
 
Dwinstitles said:
919Cane2DaGrave said:
I think we have as much or more potential to be an elite program than anyone. Thing is, it takes work to do that. Where we are now, if we don't get this next hire right, we'll end up like Pittsburgh. Used to be good. Churn out elite pros every few years. Never really win anything significant.
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i think we already there bruh
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You're right. We are now. We still can kind of ride on tradition, on what we did in the past, thanks to 30 for 30. Soon that'll be ancient history. Once people forget what we were, it's over, because we aren't that anymore. All we have is this aura of The U. Soon that'll be gone.
 
Hate threads like this. We are still pulling top 15 classes with .500 finishes a decade of mediocrity and a horrible coach. Get a competent coach obsessed with winning and we'll be I'm the top 5 in 2 years or less.
 
Have never bought into this being an elite program. For a short time we were like Boise State is now in football, or UNLV in basketball: A chitty bad midmajor program that just stumbled on a few up and coming coaches. Before that, and since 2001, we have gone back to being a chitty midmajor again....and it looks like that's really what we truly are. Coaching here is known as one of the worst jobs in CFB, despite our past brief encounter with glory. Nobody decent is coming here except Butch.
 
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NVA CANE said:
We all throw coaches names around to replace golden because we believe this program is still one of the top programs in the country. But is it really a top tier destination or are we all deluding ourselves?

Sure we are in a Power 5 conference and we are in a hotbed of talent, but we have an admin that is not dedicated to winning. They simply have not and will not invest in the program and have mediocre expectations at best.

The question is, are we deluding ourselves to a certain degree as to the attractiveness of this program to other coaches?
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You're an idiot.

If you want great coaches, PAY THEM. They will come, but they aren't gonna take a pay cut just for the pleasure of coaching at the U.

Admin, BOT, it's entirely in their hands. We can have any coach we want, for the right price.
 
I've said it before ... We are Pitt, just with a more recent history of winning.

But between Shannon and Golden, we're at a decade of irrelevance. And the reality is South Florida is a unique place to live. When guys have options, they may not prefer it ... Especially when they have families.

And this antiquated theory that Miami is the only, or fastest, way to the NFL is ridiculous! Oregon, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Penn State are the most recent programs to send their coaches to the pro game. If guys can coach, and the NFL is their goal, they can get there from any Power 5 team. Plus, winning with lesser talent is the true measure of how well you can actually coach, IMO.
 
Among those 204 Florida players, 15 are from St. Thomas Aquinas in Fort Lauderdale, most of any high school. The group includes: Geno Atkins (Bengals), Giovani Bernard (Bengals), Phillip Dorsett (Colts); Marcus Gilbert (Steelers); Rashad Greene (Jaguars); Leonard Hankerson (Falcons), Bobby Hart (Giants); Gabe Holmes (Raiders); Brandon Linder (Jaguars), Cody Riggs (Titans), Marcus Roberson (Rams), Dezmen Southward (Falcons), James White (Patriots) Major Wright (Buccaneers), Sam Young (Jaguars).

Glenville High in Cleveland and Miami Norland each have six; DeMatha Catholic (Hyattsville, Md.) has five; and 15 players have four players.

According to USA Football, Miami has produced 31 active NFL players, followed by 20 for Fort Lauderdale, 16 for Atlanta, 14 for Houston, 13 for New Orleans and Dallas.
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Which state, city and high school has the most current NFL players? | USA Today High School Sports | USA Today High School Sports

This article is from 10 days ago.

I still feel this alone makes UM a very attractive position.

While we'll never land all of the blue chippers, but we'll always get ours and have talent on the roster.

While University administration may not prioritize football, the right coach who utilizes talent properly can still thrive here.

Thing is, UM probably isn't going to be a destination job. The University simply does not allocate the necessary resources to bring in an elite coach or keep a coach who becomes elite.

That said, a Tom Herman-type coach could perform very well here and I feel he'd jump at the opportunity.
 
MIATL said:
I've said it before ... We are Pitt, just with a more recent history of winning.

But between Shannon and Golden, we're at a decade of irrelevance. And the reality is South Florida is a unique place to live. When guys have options, they may not prefer it ... Especially when they have families.

And this antiquated theory that Miami is the only, or fastest, way to the NFL is ridiculous! Oregon, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Penn State are the most recent programs to send their coaches to the pro game. If guys can coach, and the NFL is their goal, they can get there from any Power 5 team. Plus, winning with lesser talent is the true measure of how well you can actually coach, IMO.
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That explains your moronic thought processes and preference for MAC coaches. Of course there's no logic to it, otherwise we'd go hire a high school coach who does more with less.

Golden wasn't a bad coach in the MAC, but it didn't translate well to this level. You're dealing with a different kind of kid in Miami, and we need someone who can get the most out of the talent we have accessible to us
 
If the BOT/admin want to get cheap and hire Mario Cristobal.... keep flying the banners.

Don't let them get away with CHEAPING OUT. Fans deserve a contender.
 
CaneInTheBrain said:
MIATL said:
I've said it before ... We are Pitt, just with a more recent history of winning.

But between Shannon and Golden, we're at a decade of irrelevance. And the reality is South Florida is a unique place to live. When guys have options, they may not prefer it ... Especially when they have families.

And this antiquated theory that Miami is the only, or fastest, way to the NFL is ridiculous! Oregon, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Penn State are the most recent programs to send their coaches to the pro game. If guys can coach, and the NFL is their goal, they can get there from any Power 5 team. Plus, winning with lesser talent is the true measure of how well you can actually coach, IMO.
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That explains your moronic thought processes and preference for MAC coaches. Of course there's no logic to it, otherwise we'd go hire a high school coach who does more with less.

Golden wasn't a bad coach in the MAC, but it didn't translate well to this level. You're dealing with a different kind of kid in Miami, and we need someone who can get the most out of the talent we have accessible to us
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He went 0-14 against MAC teams with winning records despite landing the top recruiting class in the conference 4 out of 5 seasons.

He was a bad coach in the MAC. He grossly underachieved there just as he has done at UM.
 
With the high school talent in UM's backyard, any big named coaching candidate would consider moving down here. The recruiting coupled with the national brand that is theU, Miami is a good destination.

That being said, the BOT and administration will still have to pony up the money for a coach that will take advantage of the talent we have in out backyard.
 
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It's not a top-tier destination because of this administration being notoriously cheap with salaries and maddeningly unwilling to compete with programs that care about winning in the facilities arm race.

But it should be a very attractive vacancy where there is no ceiling on what can be accomplished on the field. Our last three disastrous hires have distorted the perception of what this program is capable of. We're located in the recruiting hotbed of America and have the luxury of playing in the ACC Coastal, the weakest subdivision among the Power 5.

A young coach like a Tom Herman should view Miami as a place where he can take over, have access to a staggering amount of premier talent right in his backyard, and have the opportunity to win big. He, or whoever takes over as Golden's successor, can then use this job as a springboard to land somewhere else that will pay more or try to force the administration's hand to finally spend to contend with increased salaries once success is achieved.
 
mirednmediocrity said:
Have never bought into this being an elite program. For a short time we were like Boise State is now in football, or UNLV in basketball: A chitty bad midmajor program that just stumbled on a few up and coming coaches. Before that, and since 2001, we have gone back to being a chitty midmajor again....and it looks like that's really what we truly are. Coaching here is known as one of the worst jobs in CFB, despite our past brief encounter with glory. Nobody decent is coming here except Butch.
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This is what I was trying to get at. We throw names around like Pinkell, Herman, Fuente, Kelly, etc but would those coaches take the job even if the money was right. I don't know that they would.
 
Dghustla said:
Hate threads like this. We are still pulling top 15 classes with .500 finishes a decade of mediocrity and a horrible coach. Get a competent coach obsessed with winning and we'll be I'm the top 5 in 2 years or less.
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This thread isn't about whether we can win, it's about how coaches around the country view this job.
 
chicanego said:
CaneInTheBrain said:
MIATL said:
I've said it before ... We are Pitt, just with a more recent history of winning.

But between Shannon and Golden, we're at a decade of irrelevance. And the reality is South Florida is a unique place to live. When guys have options, they may not prefer it ... Especially when they have families.

And this antiquated theory that Miami is the only, or fastest, way to the NFL is ridiculous! Oregon, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Penn State are the most recent programs to send their coaches to the pro game. If guys can coach, and the NFL is their goal, they can get there from any Power 5 team. Plus, winning with lesser talent is the true measure of how well you can actually coach, IMO.
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That explains your moronic thought processes and preference for MAC coaches. Of course there's no logic to it, otherwise we'd go hire a high school coach who does more with less.

Golden wasn't a bad coach in the MAC, but it didn't translate well to this level. You're dealing with a different kind of kid in Miami, and we need someone who can get the most out of the talent we have accessible to us
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He went 0-14 against MAC teams with winning records despite landing the top recruiting class in the conference 4 out of 5 seasons.

He was a bad coach in the MAC. He grossly underachieved there just as he has done at UM.
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Please don't engage that potato, he's gonna destroy the thread with his stupidity. He thinks lane kiffin is a good coach.
 
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