Is the decline real at UGA?

[Rellyrell]

Top 5,10, 15 in recruiting rankings? If so, who cares besides you? At this point, it isn’t just about HS kids. Heck, your own post proves it with Vandy taking grandpa.

Land a good class (top 25) annually and clean it up with portal kids, development, and good X/o coaching. Heck, that n Texas coach has identified 4 no bodies at qb that have all turned into d1 starters up to first pick. You don’t need a 5star QB if you can evaluate talent.

to take it a step further, the bag schools are likely miss allocating funds by putting too much into kids that need 2-3 years to develop for their schemes but have high ceilings and low appetites for sitting. Those kids come in, want to play, want paid, and leave for schools more willing to give them PT and more money.

Instead, schools could admit that free agency is better for them and grab kids that have 1-2 year of experience that were lower ranked harder workers…and portal them over(Lucas). This is why I’ve wanted Miami to stop going after HS QBs and just take two from the portal. 1 senior with 3 years experience. 1 sophomore with a year experience(n Texas kid for example, lane taking d2 kid). You then see if Judd/luke develop. Keep taking lower end kids with high ceilings that won’t ask for millions because they want a chance to be Cam, Beck…

So is it coaching, identifying talent or bags? U’re moving & shifting ur argument to fit ur belief system. U’ve went from bags to identifying under the radar talent? Is it bags or utilizing the portal as a FA pool? Like I’m legit confused as to what u’re talking about, b/c now that the Nat’l Title participants, recruiting class powers have been debunked, u’ve shifted towards a whole new subject matter that has nothing to do w the direct rebuttal.

Did I not say the Portal has helped? Yep. Did I know say u guys r conflating good coaching w bags? Yep. Have I not highlighted in previous yrs top talent have gone elsewhere pre-NIL? Yep. So what r u rambling about? I’m legit confused. This thread is about the downfall of UGA, u then mentioned how NIL has created parity. I said what parity? I gave u all the champions & told u how all the bag schools r still dominating recruiting.

Now u’re talking about coaching, picking up under the radar kids, using the portal etc. OK? Was Mike Gundy not doing this at OKSt for yrs? Was Frank Beamer not doing this at VT for yrs? Was Bill Snyder not doing this at K State for yrs? Like what are we talking about?

 

[Rellyrell]

If the AP poll is your metric for parity (the one that still has Texas as the #9 team), then I don't know what to tell you, bruh. Vandy is a perfect example of the level of parity in college football. The fact that Vanderbilt is able to even compete says a lot, along with the Texas Tech's of the world.

All you're talking about here, again, is recruiting and NIL. There's a massive third factor that you haven't been mentioning which is the transfer portal. The teams at the top of the recruiting rankings are simply not able to retain all of that talent like they used to, as that talent is not interested in sitting on the bench anymore. That, to me, coupled with the newfound NIL spending at previously obscure schools, absolutely is leveling the playing field. If nothing else, the fact that this many teams have great rosters says a lot, even if it is still the "blue bloods", more of them have talent than a decade ago, which won't allow any of them to absolutely reign over college football because the talent is more dispersed. The top 4 teams used to ***** slap other top 15 teams in a way that we simply have not seen the past few years (maybe other than O$U over Oregon in the playoffs last year).

Also, to a previous point I made, change takes time. We're going to continue to see the shift of power as the top teams can no longer guarantee a championship every year, and other schools are producing more first round talent (as a product of having better talent on campus). Boosters at current lesser schools will see that the talent is leveling out and step up financially. I don't think we'll ever see parity to the point where anyone in the top 25 could win a championship, but I do believe we're moving towards a scenario where anyone in the 12 team playoff could legitamately make a run. Whereas in the 2010's, the top 4 teams preseason were almost guaranteed to be there at the end of the season.

This isn't based off of 4 games. This is based on trend analysis and using my eyeballs over the past few years to see that the big bad Alabama's and Georgia's of the pre-NIL era just don't exist right now. And thats a great thing.

So clearly u didn’t read. I said recruiting. So what trend analysis r u using? I’ll wait.

 

[90scane]

So is it coaching, identifying talent or bags? U’re moving & shifting ur argument to fit ur belief system. U’ve went from bags to identifying under the radar talent? Is it bags or utilizing the portal as a FA pool? Like I’m legit confused as to what u’re talking about, b/c now that the Nat’l Title participants, recruiting class powers have been debunked, u’ve shifted towards a whole new subject matter that has nothing to do w the direct rebuttal.

Did I not say the Portal has helped? Yep. Did I know say u guys r conflating good coaching w bags? Yep. Have I not highlighted in previous yrs top talent have gone elsewhere pre-NIL? Yep. So what r u rambling about? I’m legit confused. This thread is about the downfall of UGA, u then mentioned how NIL has created parity. I said what parity? I gave u all the champions & told u how all the bag schools r still dominating recruiting.

Now u’re talking about coaching, picking up under the radar kids, using the portal etc. OK? Was Mike Gundy not doing this at OKSt for yrs? Was Frank Beamer not doing this at VT for yrs? Was Bill Snyder not doing this at K State for yrs? Like what are we talking about?

I'm saying it is everything.

HS, Portal, NIL, X/Os, Program building...

I actually think we are more aligned than you think. Bag schools are still in the lead. They have momentum. I just think the momentum is slowing, not growing.

 

[texascane12]

So clearly u didn’t read. I said recruiting. So what trend analysis r u using? I’ll wait.

Do you not think that more rosters have a higher level of talent than 10 years ago? Do you not think that 10 years ago, 3-4 schools dominated the sport to the point where you could pick the national title winner at the beginning of the year out of those 3-4 schools with 95% certainty? Do you feel like you could do that now? Is that not literally the definition of parity? Bottom line, more schools have a chance to compete for a title or make a playoff run today, than they would have had during the 2010's, due to the dispersion of talent across rosters, due to the transfer portal and NIL leveling out recruiting (and I also believe the expanded playoff is helping parity as well). Even if a Vanderbilt is not recruiting at a higher level, the level of talent ACROSS CFB is dispersed to the point where "any given saturday" is much more prevelant today than it was 10 years ago.

 

[Rellyrell]

Do you not think that more rosters have a higher level of talent than 10 years ago? Do you not think that 10 years ago, 3-4 schools dominated the sport to the point where you could pick the national title winner at the beginning of the year out of those 3-4 schools with 95% certainty? Do you feel like you could do that now? Is that not literally the definition of parity? Bottom line, more schools have a chance to compete for a title or make a playoff run today, than they would have had during the 2010's, due to the dispersion of talent across rosters, due to the transfer portal and NIL leveling out recruiting (and I also believe the expanded playoff is helping parity as well). Even if a Vanderbilt is not recruiting at a higher level, the level of talent ACROSS CFB is dispersed to the point where "any given saturday" is much more prevelant today than it was 10 years ago.

It’s b/c more teams are in the CFP than ever before. In the BCS era it was two, in the AP era it was two, in the CFP infancy era it was 4, & now it’s 12. It has **** to do w “disbursement of talent. I promise u if there wasn’t a 12-team playoff, u wouldn’t be saying this. The playoffs also exposed talent v. Perception .

Boise State as the 3 seed got rocked
ASU as the 4 seed got put out
ND is another bag school, & the Catholics been playing dirty

So the non-traditional bag schools were SMU (so far), ASU, Indiana & Boise St. None made it past their first game.

 

[texascane12]

It’s b/c more teams are in the CFP than ever before. In the BCS era it was two, in the AP era it was two, in the CFP infancy era it was 4, & now it’s 12. It has **** to do w “disbursement of talent. I promise u if there wasn’t a 12-team playoff, u wouldn’t be saying this. The playoffs also exposed talent v. Perception .

Boise State as the 3 seed got rocked
ASU as the 4 seed got put out
ND is another bag school, & the Catholics been playing dirty

So the non-traditional bag schools were SMU (so far), ASU, Indiana & Boise St. None made it past their first game.

Texas sucked *** since 2008. Oregon… a traditional bag school? Notre Dame all of a sudden a traditional bag school? 4 teams totally dominated for over a decade. More teams have a chance now. Not sure we’re watching the same sport.

 

[Rellyrell]

Texas sucked *** since 2008. Oregon… a traditional bag school? Notre Dame all of a sudden a traditional bag school? 4 teams totally dominated for over a decade. More teams have a chance now. Not sure we’re watching the same sport.

So now Texas & Oregon r not bag schools? Listen, I understand when someone “wants” to be right, they’ll go to any lengths to try to prove a point. I’m not w all the back & forth, so believe what u want, but let me be very clear:

If I ever see u on this board remotely saying UT, ND, or UO got a player b/c of bags, I’m going to nuke u to oblivion. U take care.

 

[texascane12]

So now Texas & Oregon r not bag schools? Listen, I understand when someone “wants” to be right, they’ll go to any lengths to try to prove a point. I’m not w all the back & forth, so believe what u want, but let me be very clear:

If I ever see u on this board remotely saying UT, ND, or UO got a player b/c of bags, I’m going to nuke u to oblivion. U take care.

Brother, you haven’t argued with one of my actual points I’ve made, just nit picking little bull**** ancillary points.

Of course they’re bag schools, everyone is a ****** bag school now. But were they dominating similar to Bama, or UGA in the past decade pre-NIL?

But you’re right, this is exhausting going back and forth with you. You take care too.

 

[Coach Macho]

The best DC in football can't stop anyone. there is a such thing as losing control of the team. I've seen this 3 times at UM. Lack of discipline, players not executing, lack of focus, lack of effort, slow starts, and getting into trouble. Kirby is losing the team. Just like Dabo.

Saban is the only one who was able to keep it going and he was openly paying players.

CIS Dawgs out in full force!

The great Kirby Smart is currently behind the defensive juggernaut in Tallahassee. Genuis or cheater?

Losing the team.
Oh lord.

 

[ShadowSpring]

Losing the team.
Oh lord.

They should be 2-2 right now. Team lacks focus, gets off to slow starts, makes tons of mistakes, lacks discipline, OL plays soft, the DL can barely generate any pressure, etc. They are clearly playing far below talent level. What would you call that? If some of you didn't love the great Kirby Smart, you'd look at this more objectively. They are very clearly a team in decline. Georgia looks like the 2002 or 2003 Canes, very talented but lacking focus. As I said only Saban can keep the machine going.

Georgia fans blamed all their problems on Beck last season because it's easier to blame the qb than accept the program is slipping. I been there before. 2003 blaming the OC and QB, but the problem was far more widespread.

 

[sdaly12]

That means that coaching and player acquisitions are all the more important. Look at what Kiffin is doing with a Division II transfer QB. That's all coaching and player acquisitions. I think the only BCS program to offer Trinidad was Temple. I like what Cristobal is doing. NIL and the portal is exposing coaches who had unfair advantages who were never really good coaches.

no doubt that personnel decisions become even more critical in this new era,FSU hit in portal then whiffed in portal.... I think our talent evals have been very good in portal & NIL is strong

 

[sdaly12]

They should be 2-2 right now. Team lacks focus, gets off to slow starts, makes tons of mistakes, lacks discipline, OL plays soft, the DL can barely generate any pressure, etc. They are clearly playing far below talent level. What would you call that? If some of you didn't love the great Kirby Smart, you'd look at this more objectively. They are very clearly a team in decline. Georgia looks like the 2002 or 2003 Canes, very talented but lacking focus. As I said only Saban can keep the machine going.

Georgia fans blamed all their problems on Beck last season because it's easier to blame the qb than accept the program is slipping. I been there before. 2003 blaming the OC and QB, but the problem was far more widespread.

WR's dropped a couple of passes. 1 would have been a TD, UGA does not have good edge rushers or dominant DT's at the moment. UGA led the nation in dropped passes last year. and it happening again this year.
do not blame Kirby for going for TD late but play call was horrific.
starting slow is all on Kirby

 

[Okefenokee Cane]

Georgia not dominant on either side of the line this year but dem Dawgs are tuff. Juss beat the undefeated and 4th ranked team in the country. Georgia maid the correct evaluation at quarterback a pushed out Carson Beck for Gunner Stockton. A quick glance at the stats for Beck and Stockton tells you why Miami lost and Georgia won this week.

It’s just condom since sun, u want your qwarterback named “Carsun” oar “Gunner”? And then add “STOCKton” iz u sirius? Grate name! U want your qwarterback to drive a Lamberguinea oar an old F-150? Nuff sayed.

 

[TboneJones]

Georgia not dominant on either side of the line this year but dem Dawgs are tuff. Juss beat the undefeated and 4th ranked team in the country. Georgia maid the correct evaluation at quarterback an pushed out Carson Beck for Gunner Stockton. A quick glance at the stats for Beck and Stockton tells you why Miami lost and Georgia won this week.

Georgia is still way more talented than Ole Miss but Kiffin gets more out of his talent. And, Stockton isn't better than Beck. The recency bias in some of you is disturbing.

 

[Okefenokee Cane]

Me thinks reports of Georgia footballs demise have been grately exaggerated. Onlyest reason I can pay my lot rent is the money I make betting on dem Dawgs.

Preech sun! My $10 parley made me purt near $38!

 

[TboneJones]

Georgia is more talented than Ole Miss but not way more talented.

I am big Kiffin fan. Wanted him as coach at Miami over Mario.

If you think Carson betta than Stockton, you haven’t been watching them play this year. Gunner better for half the NIL.

I've watched Stockton multiple times. Quiet as its kept, Louisville if in the SEC may have the best defense in that conference. Stockton is fool's gold who can do little against an athletic, disciplined defense.

 

[TboneJones]

Laugh all you want but I've forgotten more SEC ball than you likely will ever know. And, the defenses are very poor in that conference this season.

 

[Glow]

Laugh all you want but I've forgotten more SEC ball than you likely will ever know. And, the defenses are very poor in that conference this season.

I noticed before our game that Louisville's advanced stats defense was low key good, they might have something

 

[Brains]

They have flaws, but reports of said decline are exaggerated.

 

[TboneJones]

I noticed before our game that Louisville's advanced stats defense was low key good, they might have something

I certainly didn't think Louisville's defense was that good before the game but they made a believer out of me.