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AboutTheU05 said:
Actually this is spot on from the idea that a hierarchy defined by competence will optimize organizational ability and potential while a hierarchy defined by power is ultimately proven invalid..............and I currently serve in the US Army (have for 12 years).
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OriginalGatorHater said:
Just so I understand fully. Are you saying the military follows the optimal way(hierarchy defined by competence) or the invalid way(defined by power)? Thanks.
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I use to be a managing consultant for major corporations for years before I focused on insurance and whenever we would go in to streamline a company, we would start the solution life cycle at it’s leadership. But here’s an excerpt from Napoleon Hill on leadership that synchronizes with the ‘hierarchy defined by competence’:

NAPOLEON HILL THINK AND GROW RICH
THE MAJOR ATTRIBUTES OF LEADERSHIP

11. COOPERATION. The successful leader must understand, and apply the principle of cooperative effort and be able to induce his followers to do the same. Leadership calls for POWER, and power calls for COOPERATION. There are two forms of Leadership. The first, and by far the most effective, is LEADERSHIP BY CONSENT of, and with the sympathy of the followers. The second is LEADERSHIP BY FORCE, without the consent and sympathy of the followers.

History is filled with evidences that Leadership by Force cannot endure. The downfall and disappearance of “Dictators” and kings is significant. It means that people will not follow forced leadership indefinitely.

The world has just entered a new era of relationship between leaders and followers, which very clearly calls for new leaders, and a new brand of leadership in business and industry. Those who belong to the old school of leadership-by-force, must acquire an understanding of the new brand of leadership (cooperation) or be relegated to the rank and file of the followers. There is no other way out for them.
The relationship of employer and employee, or of leader and follower, in the fu- ture, will be one of mutual cooperation, based upon an equitable division of the profits of business. In the future, the relationship of employer and employee will be more like a partnership than it has been in the past.

Napoleon, Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany, the Czar of Russia, and the King of Spain were examples of leadership by force. Their leadership passed. Without much difficulty, one might point to the prototypes of these ex-leaders, among the business, financial, and labor leaders of America who have been dethroned or slated to go. Leadership-by-consent of the followers is the only brand which can endure!

Men may follow the forced leadership temporarily, but they will not do so willingly.
The new brand of LEADERSHIP will embrace the eleven factors of leadership, described in this chapter, as well as some other factors. The man who makes these the basis of his leadership, will find abundant opportunity to lead in any walk of life. The depression was prolonged, largely, because the world lacked LEADERSHIP of the new brand. At the end of the depression, the demand for leaders who are competent to apply the new methods of leadership has greatly exceeded the supply. Some of the old type of leaders will reform and adapt themselves to the new brand of leadership, but generally speaking, the world will have to look for new timber for its leadership. This necessity may be your OPPORTUNITY!

We come now to the major faults of leaders who fail, because it is just as essential to know WHAT NOT TO DO
as it is to know what to do.
 
UMovement said:
I use to be a managing consultant for major corporations for years before I focused on insurance and whenever we would go in to streamline a company, we would start the solution life cycle at it’s leadership. But here’s an excerpt from Napoleon Hill on leadership that synchronizes with the ‘hierarchy defined by competence’:

NAPOLEON HILL THINK AND GROW RICH
THE MAJOR ATTRIBUTES OF LEADERSHIP

11. COOPERATION. The successful leader must understand, and apply the principle of cooperative effort and be able to induce his followers to do the same. Leadership calls for POWER, and power calls for COOPERATION. There are two forms of Leadership. The first, and by far the most effective, is LEADERSHIP BY CONSENT of, and with the sympathy of the followers. The second is LEADERSHIP BY FORCE, without the consent and sympathy of the followers.

History is filled with evidences that Leadership by Force cannot endure. The downfall and disappearance of “Dictators” and kings is significant. It means that people will not follow forced leadership indefinitely.

The world has just entered a new era of relationship between leaders and followers, which very clearly calls for new leaders, and a new brand of leadership in business and industry. Those who belong to the old school of leadership-by-force, must acquire an understanding of the new brand of leadership (cooperation) or be relegated to the rank and file of the followers. There is no other way out for them.
The relationship of employer and employee, or of leader and follower, in the fu- ture, will be one of mutual cooperation, based upon an equitable division of the profits of business. In the future, the relationship of employer and employee will be more like a partnership than it has been in the past.

Napoleon, Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany, the Czar of Russia, and the King of Spain were examples of leadership by force. Their leadership passed. Without much difficulty, one might point to the prototypes of these ex-leaders, among the business, financial, and labor leaders of America who have been dethroned or slated to go. Leadership-by-consent of the followers is the only brand which can endure!

Men may follow the forced leadership temporarily, but they will not do so willingly.
The new brand of LEADERSHIP will embrace the eleven factors of leadership, described in this chapter, as well as some other factors. The man who makes these the basis of his leadership, will find abundant opportunity to lead in any walk of life. The depression was prolonged, largely, because the world lacked LEADERSHIP of the new brand. At the end of the depression, the demand for leaders who are competent to apply the new methods of leadership has greatly exceeded the supply. Some of the old type of leaders will reform and adapt themselves to the new brand of leadership, but generally speaking, the world will have to look for new timber for its leadership. This necessity may be your OPPORTUNITY!

We come now to the major faults of leaders who fail, because it is just as essential to know WHAT NOT TO DO
as it is to know what to do.
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Great excerpt. Thank you for that. It was very interesting. Does the US military follow the leadership by consent or by force?
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
Just so I understand fully. Are you saying the military follows the optimal way(hierarchy defined by competence) or the invalid way(defined by power)? Thanks.
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In terms of MOS specific battalions/companies (like an infantry company, scout platoon, Ranger Bat, Special Forces) it's a power/competence hierarchy. In a setting with multiple disciplines like the one I'm involved with (I'm specifically medical but work in conjunction with operations, combat specific units, engineer units, etc.) it's strictly power based, focused on control without the input of subject matter experts, and inevitably/unfortunately very inefficient. Because certain people obtain certain titles and rank, they have the final say and those who are in those positions want the control. Ultimately complete control is an illusion, mistakes get made which start to make chinks in the armor of those up top displaying weakness.............................and ultimately the environment teaches those below that the way to get to the top is to have the power so if they see weakness what they know is to take it out............................................and of course the cycle just repeats itself. Kind of like good ole Mark Richt and his stubborn *** way of doing the same thing because he knows best.................not because it's actually working.................................. and Blake James following suit because he's the one who hired then extended Mark the tyrant and now must double down to save his own ***.
 
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OriginalGatorHater said:
What do you mean by we never won a ground war? Are you saying we have never won a war that didn't use air planes or boats? Why would we? There is a reason why our Green Berets train other armies across the planet. Obviously we are beyond dominant because we spend the most money and have the best scientists and inventors working on our planes, boats, guns, etc. However, we also have the largest budget for training our troops. Our troops would spank any other countries in a straight out "ground war" because we pay for the best training and the best toys.

If you are talking about taking some random guy out of boot camp or basic training and having him compete in some sort of test of will versus another countries recruit than you may have a point, but no country in the world wants to go toe to toe with Americas infantry.
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I’m not saying what would happen, I’m stating what has happened in the past. Think about it like this: you take a kid from the projects in Miami in the 80s and you put him up against one of these millinneals. They may have the same measureables and same football skills but they’re very different people. One has survival skills, streets smarts, heightened awareness and a conscious volition. He’s a real savage and he’s starving and the only objective for him to make it is to take what you have.

That’s what happens when we send troops to hot zones. We don’t send a bunch special forces and green berets; we send a bunch volunteers with a little training that love cheeseburgers and air conditioning to fight people who have lived in war like conditions for most of their life. We have 100s of mass shootings in the states where 1 gunman takes out several people, what do think a few teenagers from Palestine could come over here and do?

All I’m saying is talk to a history major and they might tell you a different story about the military than you see in the movies. It’s not about money and technology all of the time. Unconventional techniques, gorilla tactics and geographic conditions can decimate and army very quickly. Btw, most of our science and technology comes from other countries. If you want to be a global player in biotech you better be fluent in Mandarin, Hindi, Igbo and Russian... standard German wouldn’t hurt either.
 
mianjomar said:
I think he was a big part of the mid season collapse. Just speculating* but we beat two teams after he left that were better then at least two of the teams we lost to. If I’m right He was a locker room cancer that affected a lot of young players such as Williams, Pope, and Ezzard all of whom indicated they wanted to transfer at one time or other. They’re not going to let him come back.
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JT might’ve been the cancer. But he was on the team for the VT game, and had 2 of the best punt returns I’ve seen since Hester was here. Canes did beat Pitt the week after he left, but that was strictly because of the defense. Don’t get it twisted, team was far better with JT than without JT.
 
MumbleRap said:
JT might’ve been the cancer. But he was on the team for the VT game, and had 2 of the best punt returns I’ve seen since Hester was here. Canes did beat Pitt the week after he left, but that was strictly because of the defense. Don’t get it twisted, team was far better with JT than without JT.
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Thearon collier vs UVA >>>>>>>>.
Which reminds me Collier and JT careers very similar.
 
AboutTheU05 said:
In terms of MOS specific battalions/companies (like an infantry company, scout platoon, Ranger Bat, Special Forces) it's a power/competence hierarchy. In a setting with multiple disciplines like the one I'm involved with (I'm specifically medical but work in conjunction with operations, combat specific units, engineer units, etc.) it's strictly power based, focused on control without the input of subject matter experts, and inevitably/unfortunately very inefficient. Because certain people obtain certain titles and rank, they have the final say and those who are in those positions want the control. Ultimately complete control is an illusion, mistakes get made which start to make chinks in the armor of those up top displaying weakness.............................and ultimately the environment teaches those below that the way to get to the top is to have the power so if they see weakness what they know is to take it out............................................and of course the cycle just repeats itself. Kind of like good ole Mark Richt and his stubborn *** way of doing the same thing because he knows best.................not because it's actually working.................................. and Blake James following suit because he's the one who hired then extended Mark the tyrant and now must double down to save his own ***.
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Very interesting thank you for your insight. I like how you tied it in with Mork Richt. It was spot on.
 
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ilovelamp51 said:
Jeff Thomas is 20. Maybe 21. He's not a kid. What makes you think Richt has earned his respect? Or let's say Thomas Brown? Would you let him disrespect you publically & perhaps even behind closed doors? He'd probably be met with a fist full of resentment. Just a guess.
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WTF are you talking about? No player should disrespect his coach or its time to go period. A coach shouldn't do that either especially publicly. Who the F*** do you think this kid is? No time for Divas!!!! Bye Bye Felicia!!! Keep it movin'!!!
 
UMovement said:
I’m not saying what would happen, I’m stating what has happened in the past. Think about it like this: you take a kid from the projects in Miami in the 80s and you put him up against one of these millinneals. They may have the same measureables and same football skills but they’re very different people. One has survival skills, streets smarts, heightened awareness and a conscious volition. He’s a real savage and he’s starving and the only objective for him to make it is to take what you have.

That’s what happens when we send troops to hot zones. We don’t send a bunch special forces and green berets; we send a bunch volunteers with a little training that love cheeseburgers and air conditioning to fight people who have lived in war like conditions for most of their life. We have 100s of mass shootings in the states where 1 gunman takes out several people, what do think a few teenagers from Palestine could come over here and do?

All I’m saying is talk to a history major and they might tell you a different story about the military than you see in the movies. It’s not about money and technology all of the time. Unconventional techniques, gorilla tactics and geographic conditions can decimate and army very quickly. Btw, most of our science and technology comes from other countries. If you want to be a global player in biotech you better be fluent in Mandarin, Hindi, Igbo and Russian... standard German wouldn’t hurt either.
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Yes, but what other country has fought a strictly ground war in the past few centuries(not counting war lords fighting over land in africa or other 3rd world skirmishes)? I agree partially with your analogy. Obviously if you take a kid from the projects and stick him against some suburban puzzy, all things equal, the Project guy will DESTROY him on the field. However, that is not exactly what it is like. A better comparison would be sending in a savage from the projects who lives of fast food and microwave food, who has no solid coaching of fundamentals, and weight routine consists of a bunch of pullups and pushups. Then sending him against a puzzy suburban kid who eats a healthy diet, has an elite personal trainer, and learned his fundamentals from an elite position coach from childhood. The advantages are to much for even the biggest savage to overcome.

You are correct we send a bunch of volunteers(paid volunteers), but so does almost every other country. Not many powerhouse countries mandate military enrollment like Israel does. These countries also have volunteers with even less training and they too are puzzies. We can say the same thing about every country. Russia sends a bunch of vodka drinking alcoholics who didn't even graduate from the 3rd grade. England sends a bunch of tea drinking fairies that live off fish and chips. etc. etc. The only countries that are stacked with savages are the 3rd world type countries that have minimal weaponry/technology and they generally do not have the nutrition from childhood to build elite level athletic adults. For example, if you grow up in some war torn part of Africa you may not get the proper amounts of calcium as a child and will end up with weak bones. These countries also don't have as large of a draft pool. If you where to choose the toughest guy out of 1000 suburban millenials or the toughest guy out of 10 guys from a 3rd world country the odds are in the favor of the suburban guy and even if he is not as tough it won't be this massive difference that the difference in youth diet wouldn't compensate for.

You are talking about 1 gunmen taking out a bunch of unarmed civilians. If a few palesitnian teenagers walked into south side chicago with that they would get mugged before they took anyone out. How much havoc do you think a bunch of gang members from chicago or a bunch of rednecks from Alabama would wreak on a wealthy neighborhood in the Middle east where no one has any weapons? How often do you see US troops getting killed by gunfire(instead of IEDs and the like) compared to the Middle Eastern troops.

Lol I love history and I read about it all the time. War is one of my favorite pieces of history. My father is also infantry in the Marines and TONS of my friends are in the military. I know the whole story about the unconventional tactics. Yes, they make up some advantage, but again as stated before there is a reason why these countries are getting absolutely wrecked in the "war on terror" even with these tactics. I am not referring to biotech I am talking about weapons, airplanes, and boat technology. American companies like Lockheed Martin are head and shoulders above other countries in regards to military tech. Just look at how China made schitty bootleg versions of the f-22 and how far behind they are in military tech compared to the US.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
WTF are you talking about? No player should disrespect his coach or its time to go period. A coach shouldn't do that either especially publicly. Who the F*** do you think this kid is? No time for Divas!!!! Bye Bye Felicia!!! Keep it movin'!!!
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SPOT ON ,

Lets use Chickillo as an example he never liked the position and D style yet he put his helmet on every single day and played with the cards he was dealt.
Chick let his attitude and passion do the speaking for himself and when his shot came and went to the next level Pittsburgh Steelers as a free agent it was nothing new to Chick and it showed he did as he was told and the coaches put him in a position to win in and that's what he did.

DIVAS get rooted out eventually and say the rest of there lives " oh my what have I done " when it's too late and look for enabling to survive.
 
UMovement said:
The military? Bad example, our military wins the same way big time programs do, by overwhelming the opposition with resources. If our military had to earn their respect on a level playing field it wouldn’t be close. They never won a ground war ever. But I’ll let that ride because I don’t want to tamper with your behavioral modification.

The parts of the military that do work is because they have good leadership that people follow by consensus, not ‘required respect’ because some automaton has a couple chevrons on his sleeve. My wife is a high ranking officer and I can tell you first hand it’s a **** show that makes Richt look like Saban in comparison. But we do agree that you do need respect but it still has to be earned no matter what level you’re on or you will have mutiny... thus Miami.
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100% spot on.
 
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MumbleRap said:
JT might’ve been the cancer. But he was on the team for the VT game, and had 2 of the best punt returns I’ve seen since Hester was here. Canes did beat Pitt the week after he left, but that was strictly because of the defense. Don’t get it twisted, team was far better with JT than without JT.
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Yeah, JT was also on the field for the GT game. That didn't go so well.
 
Thomas came from virtually nothing in east St. Louis. I’m always for giving second chances rather than having him go back in that environment . If I’m a coach I wouldn’t want a hand in halting their careers and seeing them do nothing like Mullins and sam Bruce in football.

There was a time that there was a window for Thomas to come back as brown was saying he was still on the team but was later dismissed a couple hours after that statement.

Look he messed up but I would rather see him succeed in life, apologize to his coaches and team than to see him go back and be another wasted talent that never materialized and to go to the league.
 
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brock said:
Thomas came from virtually nothing in east St. Louis. I’m always for giving second chances rather than having him go back in that environment . If I’m a coach I wouldn’t want a hand in halting their careers and seeing them do nothing like Mullins and sam Bruce in football.

There was a time that there was a window for Thomas to come back as brown was saying he was still on the team but was later dismissed a couple hours after that statement.

Look he messed up but I would rather see him succeed in life, apologize to his coaches and team than to see him go back and be another wasted talent that never materialized and to go to the league.
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Especially when you preach wanting to help kids. Here is a great opportunity to step in and help.
 
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