Is Butch a pipe dream or a realistic possibility?

[KingRon2]

Schiano...pin those ears back and go. We'll have the best defense in the nation.

I'm fine with Butch, but Schiano would be just as good or better IMO. Butch is a shortsighted hire. Schiano could be here for a long time. He stayed at Rutgers for over a decade! He would be a home run IMO and would fix our defense immediately. Would also toughen us up and said he is open to new and innovative schemes and techniques in an interview! We would be a perrenial top 15 team, which would be great considering our lack of funding, admin support, and a crappy stadium situation!

Schiano was a .500 coach at Rutgers with one good season.

Butch was just above a .500 coach at UNC with no good seasons. What either could do here is way more than what they could do at UNC or Rutgers.

Schiano at Rutgers (minus the first two years that skewed the data): 65-47= .58
Butch at UNC (minus first year that skewed the data): 24-15= .62

So the data says Butch did marginally better at UNC than Schiano at Rutgers, however it really took Schiano 4 years to make Rutgers a solid program. After the first four years where they improved each year,

Schiano went: 56-33= .63

This included an 11-2 year and a 5-1 bowl record. Not sure why you think Schiano is a bad coach. The data says otherwise...Before Schiano got to Rutgers, they went 1-10 in '99 and 3-8 in '00. He took a sorry *** program and made them relevant nationally and in their conference. I know everyone loves Butch (and I wouldn't mind him either), but Schiano is a good choice too!

I'm not here to argue with you. But...After coaching at Rutgers for 9 years, having all of his own players and coaches, reaping the benefits of that 1 year he won double digits.....

He went 13-12 in his last 2 years at Rutgers. 13-12.

They were not relevant nationally. They had one really good year. Several other good years. That is all.

I'm sure he could do a nice job somewhere. Win 8 games a year here. Maybe 9. He is not a great coach, merely a good coach.

I want more than that. I would not be upset if he were hired. Mostly because it would mean golden is not here. But I would have no expectations of greatness with him as coach. Nothing he has ever done would indicate otherwise.

I never mentioned Butch.

 

[drewm3i]

Schiano...pin those ears back and go. We'll have the best defense in the nation.

I'm fine with Butch, but Schiano would be just as good or better IMO. Butch is a shortsighted hire. Schiano could be here for a long time. He stayed at Rutgers for over a decade! He would be a home run IMO and would fix our defense immediately. Would also toughen us up and said he is open to new and innovative schemes and techniques in an interview! We would be a perrenial top 15 team, which would be great considering our lack of funding, admin support, and a crappy stadium situation!

Schiano was a .500 coach at Rutgers with one good season.

Butch was just above a .500 coach at UNC with no good seasons. What either could do here is way more than what they could do at UNC or Rutgers.

Schiano at Rutgers (minus the first two years that skewed the data): 65-47= .58
Butch at UNC (minus first year that skewed the data): 24-15= .62

So the data says Butch did marginally better at UNC than Schiano at Rutgers, however it really took Schiano 4 years to make Rutgers a solid program. After the first four years where they improved each year,

Schiano went: 56-33= .63

This included an 11-2 year and a 5-1 bowl record. Not sure why you think Schiano is a bad coach. The data says otherwise...Before Schiano got to Rutgers, they went 1-10 in '99 and 3-8 in '00. He took a sorry *** program and made them relevant nationally and in their conference. I know everyone loves Butch (and I wouldn't mind him either), but Schiano is a good choice too!

I'm not here to argue with you. But...After coaching at Rutgers for 9 years, having all of his own players and coaches, reaping the benefits of that 1 year he won double digits.....

He went 13-12 in his last 2 years at Rutgers. 13-12.

They were not relevant nationally. They had one really good year. Several other good years. That is all.

I'm sure he could do a nice job somewhere. Win 8 games a year here. Maybe 9. He is not a great coach, merely a good coach.

I want more than that. I would not be upset if he were hired. Mostly because it would mean golden is not here. But I would have no expectations of greatness with him as coach. Nothing he has ever done would indicate otherwise.

I never mentioned Butch.

Very fair post. I don't think he is a GREAT coach either and I don't think Butch is either...I think Butch/Schiano (they are VERY similar) would win 9-11 games a year and contend for the ACC every few years and contend for the NC every 5 years or so. This is 2015 and we are the NEW Miami. We have no Orange Bowl. Everyone else has better facilities. We have no admin support or funding. Etc, etc. Both of these guys would be much better than Golden and would rebuild the talent (yes we have plenty of talent to win most of our games, but we have some major holes i.e. WR, OL, TE, LB), rebuild the fan base, and improve the product on the field. They are also both safe bets: you KNOW what you're getting and that is a good, hard nosed, old-fashioned coach that recruits well. I will take it over some clown like Kiffin, Cristobal, etc.

 

[sabrose]

What Butch did here with 10 scholly sanctions for 2 years is take a team from nowhere that was starting to decline under Erickson and build it into and 11-1 team in 4 years that should have gone to a national championship in 2000.We had beaten FSU and they had one loss too- to us. His players in 2001 won the NC and are considered the greatest college football team ever assembled if you consider their dominance in college and their NFL careers.
How people could ignore that is mind boggling to me. There are no guarantees when you hire a coach but we will be able to afford Butch and he will work his *** off here. it doesnt matter what BOT members say -Its the presidents decision ultimately and it looks like he has delegated power to James unlike Shalala. So if James hires Butch there is nothing the BOT could say about it ,which if you look at the combined idiocy of the BOT and Shalala regarding football since Butch left, is a good thing.
James has said flattering things about Butch before and he has to know the majority of the UM fan base wants him. If Butch can have an impressive group of assistants ready to go if he gets an interview anything can happen.

 

[clg003]

Schiano...pin those ears back and go. We'll have the best defense in the nation.

I'm fine with Butch, but Schiano would be just as good or better IMO. Butch is a shortsighted hire. Schiano could be here for a long time. He stayed at Rutgers for over a decade! He would be a home run IMO and would fix our defense immediately. Would also toughen us up and said he is open to new and innovative schemes and techniques in an interview! We would be a perrenial top 15 team, which would be great considering our lack of funding, admin support, and a crappy stadium situation!

Schiano was a .500 coach at Rutgers with one good season.

Butch was just above a .500 coach at UNC with no good seasons. What either could do here is way more than what they could do at UNC or Rutgers.

Schiano at Rutgers (minus the first two years that skewed the data): 65-47= .58
Butch at UNC (minus first year that skewed the data): 24-15= .62

So the data says Butch did marginally better at UNC than Schiano at Rutgers, however it really took Schiano 4 years to make Rutgers a solid program. After the first four years where they improved each year,

Schiano went: 56-33= .63

This included an 11-2 year and a 5-1 bowl record. Not sure why you think Schiano is a bad coach. The data says otherwise...Before Schiano got to Rutgers, they went 1-10 in '99 and 3-8 in '00. He took a sorry *** program and made them relevant nationally and in their conference. I know everyone loves Butch (and I wouldn't mind him either), but Schiano is a good choice too!

I'm not here to argue with you. But...After coaching at Rutgers for 9 years, having all of his own players and coaches, reaping the benefits of that 1 year he won double digits.....

He went 13-12 in his last 2 years at Rutgers. 13-12.

They were not relevant nationally. They had one really good year. Several other good years. That is all.

I'm sure he could do a nice job somewhere. Win 8 games a year here. Maybe 9. He is not a great coach, merely a good coach.

I want more than that. I would not be upset if he were hired. Mostly because it would mean golden is not here. But I would have no expectations of greatness with him as coach. Nothing he has ever done would indicate otherwise.

I never mentioned Butch.

Schiano will go to some place where he can win 9 games and be happy (liek Rutgers again). He isnt about to come to UM where 9 games will get his name on banners.

 

[UM 2001]

jay paterno needs to be our man

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Ted Hendricks, get in here.

I'm just going to parrot what LuCane has said and what I saw and that is that Butch has adamant supporters on the Board.

He would still have an enormous uphill battle and would be a later phone call rather than an earlier one. The odds wouldn't be in his favor as much as I'd like to have him but he'd have a some form of a chance all be it a small one.

 

[canes1996]

Ted Hendricks, get in here.

I'm just going to parrot what LuCane has said and what I saw and that is that Butch has adamant supporters on the Board.

He would still have an enormous uphill battle and would be a later phone call rather than an earlier one. The odds wouldn't be in his favor as much as I'd like to have him but he'd have a some form of a chance all be it a small one.

Is the long odds related more to his having Ruffled feathers in the past or because certain BOT members prefer someone else?

 

[KingRon2]

I'm fine with Butch, but Schiano would be just as good or better IMO. Butch is a shortsighted hire. Schiano could be here for a long time. He stayed at Rutgers for over a decade! He would be a home run IMO and would fix our defense immediately. Would also toughen us up and said he is open to new and innovative schemes and techniques in an interview! We would be a perrenial top 15 team, which would be great considering our lack of funding, admin support, and a crappy stadium situation!

Schiano was a .500 coach at Rutgers with one good season.

Butch was just above a .500 coach at UNC with no good seasons. What either could do here is way more than what they could do at UNC or Rutgers.

Schiano at Rutgers (minus the first two years that skewed the data): 65-47= .58
Butch at UNC (minus first year that skewed the data): 24-15= .62

So the data says Butch did marginally better at UNC than Schiano at Rutgers, however it really took Schiano 4 years to make Rutgers a solid program. After the first four years where they improved each year,

Schiano went: 56-33= .63

This included an 11-2 year and a 5-1 bowl record. Not sure why you think Schiano is a bad coach. The data says otherwise...Before Schiano got to Rutgers, they went 1-10 in '99 and 3-8 in '00. He took a sorry *** program and made them relevant nationally and in their conference. I know everyone loves Butch (and I wouldn't mind him either), but Schiano is a good choice too!

I'm not here to argue with you. But...After coaching at Rutgers for 9 years, having all of his own players and coaches, reaping the benefits of that 1 year he won double digits.....

He went 13-12 in his last 2 years at Rutgers. 13-12.

They were not relevant nationally. They had one really good year. Several other good years. That is all.

I'm sure he could do a nice job somewhere. Win 8 games a year here. Maybe 9. He is not a great coach, merely a good coach.

I want more than that. I would not be upset if he were hired. Mostly because it would mean golden is not here. But I would have no expectations of greatness with him as coach. Nothing he has ever done would indicate otherwise.

I never mentioned Butch.

Very fair post. I don't think he is a GREAT coach either and I don't think Butch is either...I think Butch/Schiano (they are VERY similar) would win 9-11 games a year and contend for the ACC every few years and contend for the NC every 5 years or so. This is 2015 and we are the NEW Miami. We have no Orange Bowl. Everyone else has better facilities. We have no admin support or funding. Etc, etc. Both of these guys would be much better than Golden and would rebuild the talent (yes we have plenty of talent to win most of our games, but we have some major holes i.e. WR, OL, TE, LB), rebuild the fan base, and improve the product on the field. They are also both safe bets: you KNOW what you're getting and that is a good, hard nosed, old-fashioned coach that recruits well. I will take it over some clown like Kiffin, Cristobal, etc.

Look at the 2 of us having a civil debate/conversation/disagreement. No immature grade school name calling. No threats to meet in the parking lot and rumble. No references to slurpers or haters. No overuse of the word "this". Anyone else paying attention?

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

No other school has reached out to him in five years, why would the Canes BOT..There is more baggage than most of us know about...

And this is true just because you said so?

Can you verify this claim or are you just pulling thoughts out of your ****** and hoping that they sound credible?

Not so. Maryland wants Butch badly. Went there for grad school and am from the DC area. We lose again because of the damned admins and their inept BOT.

 

[stormbrewing]

We need behind the scenes negotiations with Butch so he his ready when we FINALLY fire Al

 

[UMFarArcher]

Schiano was a .500 coach at Rutgers with one good season.

Butch was just above a .500 coach at UNC with no good seasons. What either could do here is way more than what they could do at UNC or Rutgers.

Schiano at Rutgers (minus the first two years that skewed the data): 65-47= .58
Butch at UNC (minus first year that skewed the data): 24-15= .62

So the data says Butch did marginally better at UNC than Schiano at Rutgers, however it really took Schiano 4 years to make Rutgers a solid program. After the first four years where they improved each year,

Schiano went: 56-33= .63

This included an 11-2 year and a 5-1 bowl record. Not sure why you think Schiano is a bad coach. The data says otherwise...Before Schiano got to Rutgers, they went 1-10 in '99 and 3-8 in '00. He took a sorry *** program and made them relevant nationally and in their conference. I know everyone loves Butch (and I wouldn't mind him either), but Schiano is a good choice too!

I'm not here to argue with you. But...After coaching at Rutgers for 9 years, having all of his own players and coaches, reaping the benefits of that 1 year he won double digits.....

He went 13-12 in his last 2 years at Rutgers. 13-12.

They were not relevant nationally. They had one really good year. Several other good years. That is all.

I'm sure he could do a nice job somewhere. Win 8 games a year here. Maybe 9. He is not a great coach, merely a good coach.

I want more than that. I would not be upset if he were hired. Mostly because it would mean golden is not here. But I would have no expectations of greatness with him as coach. Nothing he has ever done would indicate otherwise.

I never mentioned Butch.

Very fair post. I don't think he is a GREAT coach either and I don't think Butch is either...I think Butch/Schiano (they are VERY similar) would win 9-11 games a year and contend for the ACC every few years and contend for the NC every 5 years or so. This is 2015 and we are the NEW Miami. We have no Orange Bowl. Everyone else has better facilities. We have no admin support or funding. Etc, etc. Both of these guys would be much better than Golden and would rebuild the talent (yes we have plenty of talent to win most of our games, but we have some major holes i.e. WR, OL, TE, LB), rebuild the fan base, and improve the product on the field. They are also both safe bets: you KNOW what you're getting and that is a good, hard nosed, old-fashioned coach that recruits well. I will take it over some clown like Kiffin, Cristobal, etc.

Look at the 2 of us having a civil debate/conversation/disagreement. No immature grade school name calling. No threats to meet in the parking lot and rumble. No references to slurpers or haters. No overuse of the word "this". Anyone else paying attention?

That's because you're an idiot.

Bring Back Butch!

THIS!

 

[drewm3i]

Schiano was a .500 coach at Rutgers with one good season.

Butch was just above a .500 coach at UNC with no good seasons. What either could do here is way more than what they could do at UNC or Rutgers.

Schiano at Rutgers (minus the first two years that skewed the data): 65-47= .58
Butch at UNC (minus first year that skewed the data): 24-15= .62

So the data says Butch did marginally better at UNC than Schiano at Rutgers, however it really took Schiano 4 years to make Rutgers a solid program. After the first four years where they improved each year,

Schiano went: 56-33= .63

This included an 11-2 year and a 5-1 bowl record. Not sure why you think Schiano is a bad coach. The data says otherwise...Before Schiano got to Rutgers, they went 1-10 in '99 and 3-8 in '00. He took a sorry *** program and made them relevant nationally and in their conference. I know everyone loves Butch (and I wouldn't mind him either), but Schiano is a good choice too!

I'm not here to argue with you. But...After coaching at Rutgers for 9 years, having all of his own players and coaches, reaping the benefits of that 1 year he won double digits.....

He went 13-12 in his last 2 years at Rutgers. 13-12.

They were not relevant nationally. They had one really good year. Several other good years. That is all.

I'm sure he could do a nice job somewhere. Win 8 games a year here. Maybe 9. He is not a great coach, merely a good coach.

I want more than that. I would not be upset if he were hired. Mostly because it would mean golden is not here. But I would have no expectations of greatness with him as coach. Nothing he has ever done would indicate otherwise.

I never mentioned Butch.

Very fair post. I don't think he is a GREAT coach either and I don't think Butch is either...I think Butch/Schiano (they are VERY similar) would win 9-11 games a year and contend for the ACC every few years and contend for the NC every 5 years or so. This is 2015 and we are the NEW Miami. We have no Orange Bowl. Everyone else has better facilities. We have no admin support or funding. Etc, etc. Both of these guys would be much better than Golden and would rebuild the talent (yes we have plenty of talent to win most of our games, but we have some major holes i.e. WR, OL, TE, LB), rebuild the fan base, and improve the product on the field. They are also both safe bets: you KNOW what you're getting and that is a good, hard nosed, old-fashioned coach that recruits well. I will take it over some clown like Kiffin, Cristobal, etc.

Look at the 2 of us having a civil debate/conversation/disagreement. No immature grade school name calling. No threats to meet in the parking lot and rumble. No references to slurpers or haters. No overuse of the word "this". Anyone else paying attention?

+1, So who are your favorite candidates, just curious?

 

[Rellyrell]

I'm fine with Butch, but Schiano would be just as good or better IMO. Butch is a shortsighted hire. Schiano could be here for a long time. He stayed at Rutgers for over a decade! He would be a home run IMO and would fix our defense immediately. Would also toughen us up and said he is open to new and innovative schemes and techniques in an interview! We would be a perrenial top 15 team, which would be great considering our lack of funding, admin support, and a crappy stadium situation!

Schiano was a .500 coach at Rutgers with one good season.

Butch was just above a .500 coach at UNC with no good seasons. What either could do here is way more than what they could do at UNC or Rutgers.

Schiano at Rutgers (minus the first two years that skewed the data): 65-47= .58
Butch at UNC (minus first year that skewed the data): 24-15= .62

So the data says Butch did marginally better at UNC than Schiano at Rutgers, however it really took Schiano 4 years to make Rutgers a solid program. After the first four years where they improved each year,

Schiano went: 56-33= .63

This included an 11-2 year and a 5-1 bowl record. Not sure why you think Schiano is a bad coach. The data says otherwise...Before Schiano got to Rutgers, they went 1-10 in '99 and 3-8 in '00. He took a sorry *** program and made them relevant nationally and in their conference. I know everyone loves Butch (and I wouldn't mind him either), but Schiano is a good choice too!

I'm not here to argue with you. But...After coaching at Rutgers for 9 years, having all of his own players and coaches, reaping the benefits of that 1 year he won double digits.....

He went 13-12 in his last 2 years at Rutgers. 13-12.

They were not relevant nationally. They had one really good year. Several other good years. That is all.

I'm sure he could do a nice job somewhere. Win 8 games a year here. Maybe 9. He is not a great coach, merely a good coach.

I want more than that. I would not be upset if he were hired. Mostly because it would mean golden is not here. But I would have no expectations of greatness with him as coach. Nothing he has ever done would indicate otherwise.

I never mentioned Butch.

Very fair post. I don't think he is a GREAT coach either and I don't think Butch is either...I think Butch/Schiano (they are VERY similar) would win 9-11 games a year and contend for the ACC every few years and contend for the NC every 5 years or so. This is 2015 and we are the NEW Miami. We have no Orange Bowl. Everyone else has better facilities. We have no admin support or funding. Etc, etc. Both of these guys would be much better than Golden and would rebuild the talent (yes we have plenty of talent to win most of our games, but we have some major holes i.e. WR, OL, TE, LB), rebuild the fan base, and improve the product on the field. They are also both safe bets: you KNOW what you're getting and that is a good, hard nosed, old-fashioned coach that recruits well. I will take it over some clown like Kiffin, Cristobal, etc.

Under heavy sanctions, Butch went 4-0 in bowl games, and won the Big East 3x. When the gloves came off, Butch dominated the recruiting trail and games. Would've went 4-0 w a national title had we not got screwed by the BCS.

Schiano don't compare. He sucked his last two yrs at Rutgers and he sucked in the NFL. Get him out of my face

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Ted Hendricks, get in here.

I'm just going to parrot what LuCane has said and what I saw and that is that Butch has adamant supporters on the Board.

He would still have an enormous uphill battle and would be a later phone call rather than an earlier one. The odds wouldn't be in his favor as much as I'd like to have him but he'd have a some form of a chance all be it a small one.

Is the long odds related more to his having Ruffled feathers in the past or because certain BOT members prefer someone else?

It's a combination of age/younger options and above all else the perceptions about what happened at UNC.

 

[Insanecane]

UNC- they were not a good program. Yet, when Butch arrived he quickly assembled an assload of talent. That UNC team was starting to look very scary. Even when the sanctions hit that team gave LSU all kinds of trouble in the Bowl game. It was a crazy physical game with lots of punishing hits and blows being traded; UNC, despite playing without their best players, almost pulled it off. That game right there showed me that Butch can coach. He knows how to prepare a team for a game. Is he the best gameday coach? No. But he knows how to recruit, develop players into studs, and game plan for next weeks game.

In college, that is enough.

 

[drewm3i]

Schiano was a .500 coach at Rutgers with one good season.

Butch was just above a .500 coach at UNC with no good seasons. What either could do here is way more than what they could do at UNC or Rutgers.

Schiano at Rutgers (minus the first two years that skewed the data): 65-47= .58
Butch at UNC (minus first year that skewed the data): 24-15= .62

So the data says Butch did marginally better at UNC than Schiano at Rutgers, however it really took Schiano 4 years to make Rutgers a solid program. After the first four years where they improved each year,

Schiano went: 56-33= .63

This included an 11-2 year and a 5-1 bowl record. Not sure why you think Schiano is a bad coach. The data says otherwise...Before Schiano got to Rutgers, they went 1-10 in '99 and 3-8 in '00. He took a sorry *** program and made them relevant nationally and in their conference. I know everyone loves Butch (and I wouldn't mind him either), but Schiano is a good choice too!

I'm not here to argue with you. But...After coaching at Rutgers for 9 years, having all of his own players and coaches, reaping the benefits of that 1 year he won double digits.....

He went 13-12 in his last 2 years at Rutgers. 13-12.

They were not relevant nationally. They had one really good year. Several other good years. That is all.

I'm sure he could do a nice job somewhere. Win 8 games a year here. Maybe 9. He is not a great coach, merely a good coach.

I want more than that. I would not be upset if he were hired. Mostly because it would mean golden is not here. But I would have no expectations of greatness with him as coach. Nothing he has ever done would indicate otherwise.

I never mentioned Butch.

Very fair post. I don't think he is a GREAT coach either and I don't think Butch is either...I think Butch/Schiano (they are VERY similar) would win 9-11 games a year and contend for the ACC every few years and contend for the NC every 5 years or so. This is 2015 and we are the NEW Miami. We have no Orange Bowl. Everyone else has better facilities. We have no admin support or funding. Etc, etc. Both of these guys would be much better than Golden and would rebuild the talent (yes we have plenty of talent to win most of our games, but we have some major holes i.e. WR, OL, TE, LB), rebuild the fan base, and improve the product on the field. They are also both safe bets: you KNOW what you're getting and that is a good, hard nosed, old-fashioned coach that recruits well. I will take it over some clown like Kiffin, Cristobal, etc.

Under heavy sanctions, Butch went 4-0 in bowl games, and won the Big East 3x. When the gloves came off, Butch dominated the recruiting trail and games. Would've went 4-0 w a national title had we not got screwed by the BCS.

Schiano don't compare. He sucked his last two yrs at Rutgers and he sucked in the NFL. Get him out of my face

Butch won the Big Least once, good try though. Schiano also went 5-1 in bowl games. They are almost mirror images of one another...the Butch we would get now is not the young guy we got 20 years ago. I have no problem with Butch or Schiano, but let's stop worshipping him. He is NOT the best coach ever. He is a great recruiter, a poor game day coach, a great talent developer/evaluator, and he has vanilla schemes. I would be thrilled if we got him, but getting Butch doesn't gurantee success. With that said, anyone is better than Al...

 

[Klamalama]

There's a lot of love between the BOT and Butch. You'll see tomorrow on Firing Day.

 

[JoNJoN]

There's a lot of love between the BOT and Butch. You'll see tomorrow on Firing Day.

LOL I see what you did there.......