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Interesting article about how the NCAA system is going to change. I'm glad to see the players finally getting a share.

Head coach Mike Elko of the Duke Blue Devils celebrates with DeWayne Carter #90 following their 24-21 victory against the Wake Forest Demon Deacons at Wade Stadium on Nov. 2, 2023, in Durham, North Carolina.
Head coach Mike Elko of the Duke Blue Devils celebrates with DeWayne Carter #90 following their 24-21 victory against the Wake Forest Demon Deacons at Wade Stadium on Nov. 2, 2023, in Durham, North Carolina.© Lance King/Getty Images North America/TNS
DURHAM, N.C. — DeWayne Carter attended Duke’s introduction of Manny Diaz as its new football coach on Saturday, mingling with boosters and university executives. For the moment, he’s got one bowl game left to play for the Blue Devils. His name’s about to be known for a lot more than that.


Carter is the named plaintiff in the latest and most dramatic lawsuit against the NCAA, joining with TCU women’s basketball player Sedona Price and Stanford soccer player Nya Harrison to argue that any restriction on player compensation from schools is an antitrust violation. It’s the biggest swipe at the so-called “amateur model” yet, and has the potential to tear down the entire system.

“It’s time for the NCAA to recognize that the rules prohibiting athletes from sharing in the massive revenues we help to generate are harming all college athletes,” Carter said in a statement issued by his lawyers. “There are hundreds of people involved in NCAA sports but the only ones who cannot be paid are the athletes; I’m proud to stand up for all college athletes to correct that injustice.”

Duke would not let the media speak to Carter on Saturday, and whether Carter asked Duke for that protection or merely went along with the university’s wishes, he seemed OK with it. But his time in the spotlight is coming, and it will be extremely bright.

For him and for Duke.

“DeWayne is a fantastic kid,” Duke athletic director Nina King said. “We don’t treat him any differently. We won’t deal with him any differently. But we’re still looking at what all of that means for us.”

The lawsuit means … a lot. It’s an existential threat to the quiet inequity underlying the entire NCAA economy: the players can’t and don’t make any money, because they’re just students in an extracurricular activity jazz band or the chess club, but everyone else does – coaches, administrators, contractors, architects, engineers, consultants, vendors – because the river of cash never stops flowing and it has to go somewhere.

The Carter suit is only one of several now floating around that attempt to hack and whack at various pillars of college sports, even if it wields the biggest weapon of them all.

There’s House v. NCAA, recently granted class-action status, which asks for billions in name, image and likeness payments that it claims were unlawfully withheld – essentially, NIL back pay for athletes who didn’t benefit – as well as a piece of television deals.


There’s State of Ohio et al v. NCAA, which a group of seven attorneys general including North Carolina’s Josh Stein filed last week in an attempt to remove all NCAA transfer restrictions. Stein earlier threatened the NCAA with legal action when it initially refused to grant North Carolina football player Tez Walker and Wake Forest basketball player Efton Reid waivers as second-time transfers before relenting. If the plaintiffs successfully obtain a restraining order in a hearing scheduled for Wednesday, all players awaiting waivers would be immediately eligible.

And there’s Baker vs. NCAA, not actually a lawsuit, but new NCAA president Charlie Baker’s groundbreaking proposal last week to allow some high-revenue schools to start paying some athletes via trust funds. That’s merely fodder for discussion and not a finished product, but it opens doors for debate that had previously been closed, and acknowledges that the foundation of the NCAA’s entire (losing) legal strategy to date is no longer valid. For an organization that too often gets paralyzed by conflicting agendas, Baker’s shot from the top sets a new tone and creates a new imperative.


All of this builds on O’Bannon, which opened the door to the NIL era, and Alston, which had a minor financial impact – allowing narrow “educational” payments to athletes – but set a major precedent when the Supreme Court basically mocked the NCAA’s arguments and, in one particularly scathing concurrence, laid out a road map for future challenges to the NCAA the court would clearly welcome.

This is all the NCAA’s fault, for taking such a hard line in O’Bannon and Alston instead of finding a way to settle. That left its future open to the whims of the courts and state legislatures, the latter basically imposing the new NIL world upon the NCAA, which continues to complain about a mess of its own making while begging Congress for help.

That legal strategy got president Mark Emmert fired; the new proposal from Baker, his successor, is designed to move the NCAA in a different direction, one where it at least tries to act proactively while Carter and House and Ohio circle it like sharks. Because even if you agree the players should get a piece of the pie, who gets what is an even more complicated question when two sports generate almost all of the revenue.


Baker’s proposal hinted at a new division for schools willing to pay players, one that may be a bridge too far for private ACC schools like Boston College, Duke and Wake Forest compared to their larger Big Ten and SEC peers. Diaz talked Saturday about “competing at the highest level,” which certainly hinted at making that leap, but Duke president Vincent Price told the News & Observer the Baker proposal was never discussed during the hiring process.

We may even be headed toward a new iteration of the model that works for a few small schools like Clarkson, Colorado College, St. Lawrence, Union and RPI that compete in Division I in men’s hockey and one women’s sport, hockey or soccer, but Division III in every other sport.

Either way, the players are going to get their share. It’s just a matter of when, and how, and who pushes the system over the edge.

It could very well end up being DeWayne Carter.

Right now, Carter’s just a Duke defensive lineman getting ready for the Birmingham Bowl and the NFL draft. In a decade, his name could be synonymous with college athletes getting their fair share of the pie, whatever that turns out to be.

©2023 The News & Observer. Visit at newsobserver.com. Distributed at Tribune Content Agency, LLC.
 
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Good. This was an unfair system from its existence In which unpaid labor was used for entertainment and to the financial advantage of others.

By that definition, college sports sounds a lot like _______ (fill in the blank).
Free education was the deal.... No one forced them to sign on the line.... Big difference....
 
The real "head" is the NFL.. they get a free minor league system.

Have a minor leagues and all this goes away... Just no money for most as no one would watch that on tv.

colleges would be nothing but the walk-ons.
 
Free education was the deal.... No one forced them to sign on the line.... Big difference....
Free education which can be taken away at the end of the year by the University, even if the player did everything right, because the university feels someone else is more deserving of the free education?
Players being shuffled into classes to keep them eligible even if it means that they are not progressing towards an actual degree?
No on-going medical treatment despite receiving a life altering injury, all because they were also receiving free education?
Learning after they arrive at college that the University can make money off the players NIL but the player can not?

That is a completely one-sided system. And in football and basketball, the system largely targeted the under educated classes who had no way of understanding the negatives, or how to take advantage of the educational opportunities.
 
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Free education which can be taken away at the end of the year by the University, even if the player did everything right, because the university feels someone else is more deserving of the free education?
Players being shuffled into classes to keep them eligible even if it means that they are not progressing towards an actual degree?
No on-going medical treatment despite receiving a life altering injury, all because they were also receiving free education?
Learning after they arrive at college that the University can make money off the players NIL but the player can not?

That is a completely one-sided system. And in football and basketball, the system largely targeted the under educated classes who had no way of understanding the negatives, or how to take advantage of the educational opportunities.
The juxtaposition of this statement makes little sense. You're talking about a free education being provided essentially to the uneducated for one, so let's let that irony sink in for a bit.

There are plenty of football and basketball athletes that have taken advantage of the education provided and got a degree that they can actually use. Not every athlete goes in and takes a major in General Study, Art History, Sociology, etc.... If a player choses to not take advantage of the educational opportunities that's on them. In terms of medical treatment, I could be wrong, but I'm assuming at minimum, 99% of people that decide to play football are fully aware that there's a risk of partaking in this sport. You could argue semantics, especially at the college level. I believe as it relates to the universities making money off of players and their respective NIL and the can't appears to longer be the issue. The university still cashes in, but players are free to seek NIL opportunities so long as the market is there. Obviously a 5-star QB who will likely only be in college for 3 years is going to have more opportunities than say a long snapper.

It's not a one-sided system, it favors the universities for sure. But NCAA athletes, particularly in basketball and football tend to have full rides if they can stay on for four years and get a degree out of it, which is valuable if they took advantage of it. They don't have to maintain jobs and the financial burden of schools and get to forgo student loan debt which has become a hot topic over the last decade.

The lawsuit in question may pose a situation where Pandora's box gets open. For a vast majority of college athletes, they're not going to sniff the professional ranks and will need to rely on a degree. Once there's profit sharing, NCAA athletes will become employees and thus likely lose the benefits of being student athletes. And we won't get into how you exactly split revenue sharing, because let's be real, football is the primary money maker for just about every university - how does that money get distributed in a fair manner (see 5-star QB example).
 
Free education which can be taken away at the end of the year by the University, even if the player did everything right, because the university feels someone else is more deserving of the free education?
Players being shuffled into classes to keep them eligible even if it means that they are not progressing towards an actual degree?
No on-going medical treatment despite receiving a life altering injury, all because they were also receiving free education?
Learning after they arrive at college that the University can make money off the players NIL but the player can not?

That is a completely one-sided system. And in football and basketball, the system largely targeted the under educated classes who had no way of understanding the negatives, or how to take advantage of the educational opportunities.
Not saying it was perfect. And definitely not capitalistic. And a few were making all the money, agree. But _________ it was not.
 
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The juxtaposition of this statement makes little sense. You're talking about a free education being provided essentially to the uneducated for one, so let's let that irony sink in for a bit.

There are plenty of football and basketball athletes that have taken advantage of the education provided and got a degree that they can actually use. Not every athlete goes in and takes a major in General Study, Art History, Sociology, etc.... If a player choses to not take advantage of the educational opportunities that's on them. In terms of medical treatment, I could be wrong, but I'm assuming at minimum, 99% of people that decide to play football are fully aware that there's a risk of partaking in this sport. You could argue semantics, especially at the college level. I believe as it relates to the universities making money off of players and their respective NIL and the can't appears to longer be the issue. The university still cashes in, but players are free to seek NIL opportunities so long as the market is there. Obviously a 5-star QB who will likely only be in college for 3 years is going to have more opportunities than say a long snapper.

It's not a one-sided system, it favors the universities for sure. But NCAA athletes, particularly in basketball and football tend to have full rides if they can stay on for four years and get a degree out of it, which is valuable if they took advantage of it. They don't have to maintain jobs and the financial burden of schools and get to forgo student loan debt which has become a hot topic over the last decade.

The lawsuit in question may pose a situation where Pandora's box gets open. For a vast majority of college athletes, they're not going to sniff the professional ranks and will need to rely on a degree. Once there's profit sharing, NCAA athletes will become employees and thus likely lose the benefits of being student athletes. And we won't get into how you exactly split revenue sharing, because let's be real, football is the primary money maker for just about every university - how does that money get distributed in a fair manner (see 5-star QB example).
Horrible mindset.... Yet many hold it in high regard
 
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Good. This was an unfair system from its existence In which unpaid labor was used for entertainment and to the financial advantage of others.

By that definition, college sports sounds a lot like _______ (fill in the blank).
If all things were equal, none of the other sports which don’t turn a profit would exist. So this football player, whose duke football team I assume is profitable, has a very good argument. Not so sure about the other two joining the case
 
Good. This was an unfair system from its existence In which unpaid labor was used for entertainment and to the financial advantage of others.

By that definition, college sports sounds a lot like _______ (fill in the blank).
What happens when they win this lawsuit and ALL athletes get a portion of proceeds? Bc you know women and men’s non revenue sports athletes are not gonna stand for allocating money based on revenue. How many schools will have to drop sports bc they can’t afford to pay soccer, golf, tennis, etc. from the football and basketball revenue?

This is a very selfish and dangerous game they’re playing. And it has the potential to take away scholarships from thousands of kids who aren’t going to a P5 school.
 
If all things were equal, none of the other sports which don’t turn a profit would exist. So this football player, whose duke football team I assume is profitable, has a very good argument. Not so sure about the other two joining the case
Those other two will have their hand out and if they don’t get a piece, they’ll be right back in the court room arguing that they “deserve it.”
 
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Good. This was an unfair system from its existence In which unpaid labor was used for entertainment and to the financial advantage of others.

By that definition, college sports sounds a lot like _______ (fill in the blank).
This is such a prole take.

"Unpaid labor"

VOLUNTARILY signing to accept a full-ride scholarship with various stipends, tutors, nutrition, healthcare, and athletic training.

Not to mention the networking, preferential treatment, and opportunities provided that the average student wont get.

That's like saying in the military we only get our paycheck while ignoring BAH, BAS, Tricare, TSP match, TA, and the GI BILL.

I cant imagine being so blind to the world, and so entitled.
 
What happens when they win this lawsuit and ALL athletes get a portion of proceeds? Bc you know women and men’s non revenue sports athletes are not gonna stand for allocating money based on revenue. How many schools will have to drop sports bc they can’t afford to pay soccer, golf, tennis, etc. from the football and basketball revenue?

This is a very selfish and dangerous game they’re playing. And it has the potential to take away scholarships from thousands of kids who aren’t going to a P5 school.

I’ve seen this foolishnesss spewed way, too, often. Our society is so myopic in their views now. It’s the insatiable need to rage against the machine, that little have the foresight to see the bigger picture.

Well put.
 
This is such a prole take.

"Unpaid labor"

VOLUNTARILY signing to accept a full-ride scholarship with various stipends, tutors, nutrition, healthcare, and athletic training.

Not to mention the networking, preferential treatment, and opportunities provided that the average student wont get.

That's like saying in the military we only get our paycheck while ignoring BAH, BAS, Tricare, TSP match, TA, and the GI BILL.

I cant imagine being so blind to the world, and so entitled.
I’ll keep saying this over and over, bc it’s the only solution. Without this, schools with small athletic budgets will drop sports.

Make them choose. You get the full scholarship, or you take the salary. You cant get both. And once you sign on to either one, you forfeit your right to the other. There is no going to court when you change your mind.

If these kids think scholarships aren’t that great and not as valuable as the money they’re “owed” make them prove it.
 
I didn't read the article. Can you ******* summarize? Be a better portster. We only need three things: quick summary; your thoughts; and the link if we want to read more. ****!

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Brevity, the unsung hero of communication, is a casualty in a society that often mistakes quantity for quality. The digital age, with its endless streams of information, perpetuates a culture where brevity is sacrificed at the altar of ceaseless chatter. It is a lamentable truth that our attention spans have dwindled, yet the deluge of words has risen to unprecedented levels.

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In our anger, we must recognize that brevity is not a call for intellectual laziness but a demand for clarity and precision. The resentment stems from a world where the value of words is diluted by their abundance, where meaning is obscured by the sheer volume of language. Brevity is not the enemy of nuance; it is the antidote to obfuscation.

The importance of brevity is not a plea for silence but a rallying cry for intentionality in expression. Each word carries weight, and brevity demands that we choose our words with care. The anger is directed at a society that confuses verbosity with eloquence, as if eloquence were measured by the minutes it takes to convey a message rather than the impact of the message itself.

In the realm of information overload, brevity becomes a precious commodity. It is a rebellion against the incessant demand for our attention, a refusal to contribute to the white noise that drowns out meaningful communication. The anger is directed at a culture that values the sensational over the substantial, the wordy over the worthwhile.

Brevity is not a shortcut but a conscious choice to respect the time and attention of the audience. The resentment is aimed at those who disregard this choice, who burden us with their verbal excesses without consideration for the toll it takes on the collective psyche. The importance of brevity lies in its ability to elevate signal above noise, to convey a message with maximum impact in minimal time.

In conclusion, this exploration of brevity's importance, ironically expressed through a not-so-brief essay, underscores the urgency of the matter. The anger and resentment stem from a genuine concern for the state of communication in a world overrun by words. Brevity is not a call for silence but a demand for thoughtful expression, an insistence that words be wielded with purpose and respect. In embracing brevity, we reclaim the power of our words and resist the tide of meaningless verbosity that threatens to engulf us.
 
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