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Inexcusable amount of penalties, coaches are not to blame.

datcaneguy said:
Your either coaching it or allowing it. In the end still falls on coaching.
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People keep blaming the players for **** that happens on a weekly basis. You don't just show up disciplined. Discipline is instilled in you on a daily basis. When you see an undisciplined team on Saturdays it's because the coach hasn't beaten the bad habits out of them and he accepts it. It's 100% on the coache who are paid millions to fix those issues through practice. We were more disciplined with Richt but his offensive scheme was garbage. We've been this unorganized messed ever since Manny took over.
 
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Discipline starts in the home. The practice field is home and the coaches are the "parents". If my kid walks into her first grade class and calls someone a mother fvcker - it's not an issue of execution, it's because I didn't teach her that only daddy is allowed to call people mother fvckers.

This lack of discipline and focus has been a hallmark of Mannys tenure.
 
Through 10 games Miami had more penalties and yards vs. opponents and 1 they tied in penalties. They Averaging 7.5 penalties a game and costing them 75yards per game. I’m sorry that’s undisciplined football. We 10 games into the season I put that on coaching. Sloppy tackling weekly coaching. This is not an individual player problem it’s a team problem and IMO that’s on CMD. A coach would sit players who continue to commit dumb penalties. If I can see how bad we tackle surely our head coach would see that and maybe spend time working on that in Practice.
 
FMCANE said:
Better question, why would a player go to Alabama and not Miami? The usual, better facilities, emphasis on football, pubic school money, Saban, blah, blah, blah, same old things. Did you know any athlete not only can go back and complete their degree free of charge (as many colleges offer), that also includes their children? Their children are automatically accepted. Now, I have not seen that in writing; however, a person very familiar with this info. told me this. Also, Alabama players would discipline each other. Do you think Vilma, Dorsey, Gonzales, Reed would allow these penalties when they played? So, you all are telling me these players can't control themselves, their emotions, during a game? This time of year, a coach should not have to coach self discipline in practice. Sure, players make mistakes. Don't players have any responsibility on this issue? Other problems with team and program, all on coaching staff.
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most alabama players barely visit that school when they leave let alone have their kids go there.
 
FMCANE said:
Most of these athletes have been playing football, or another sport, since elementary school. By now, they know the rules and should be disciplined players. The Corey Flagg comments says more about the players than coaches. Why are players needing to taught or coached in practice self discipline or self control? Self discipline is one of the basics of any sportlearned during youth football, basketball, soccer, tennis, swimming, etc. Sure self discipline should be addressed and emphasized during practice. Blame coaches for play calling, game planning, preparation, communication, knowledge of rules, etc. If players were too "hyped"or "shook", etc., (which could happen in this rivalry game) more experienced players should have stepped in and calmed players nerves. Undisciplined penalties, 90% of that responsibility is on players. Just my opinion.
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We have players saying they are undisciplined during practice. The coaches choose not to fix it. it happens in the game. The coaches are shocked it happens.
 
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I do blame the coaches. This was FSU our number one rival. A 3-6 team that we just shouldn’t lose too. The lack of discipline is on the coaches. This was FSU and a game Manny needed to win period.
 
FMCANE said:
Most of these athletes have been playing football, or another sport, since elementary school. By now, they know the rules and should be disciplined players. The Corey Flagg comments says more about the players than coaches. Why are players needing to taught or coached in practice self discipline or self control? Self discipline is one of the basics of any sportlearned during youth football, basketball, soccer, tennis, swimming, etc. Sure self discipline should be addressed and emphasized during practice. Blame coaches for play calling, game planning, preparation, communication, knowledge of rules, etc. If players were too "hyped"or "shook", etc., (which could happen in this rivalry game) more experienced players should have stepped in and calmed players nerves. Undisciplined penalties, 90% of that responsibility is on players. Just my opinion.
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Coaches are to blame for EVERYTHING that happens on their team. They choose which players get scholarships. They decide which assistant coaches are gonna coach them. They decide who's gonna play. They decide how they're going practice.. They decide what gets rewarded and what gets punished. They literally have 100% autonomy.
 
Ended a posting sabbatical because this came back up. As before, a study was made of officiating bias and has been discussed on CIS before in many threads. The Sloan Sports Academic Research Paper on Referee Bias is no longer available, however in this thread I qouted some of their findings )because someone could not get the link to work on their phone):

https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/the-referee-effect-on-the-game.155968/

I am pretty sure new ACC Commisioner James Phillips is aware of this; at least anecdotally, it appears games have been officiated a bit more fairly this year. However, Swofford loyalists still do their dirty work in the "All Carolina Conference" and the crew led by Jeff Flanagan (AKA "Glasses Wearing Southerner Ref") is the epitome of this old mentality. Guess who was working the game last night.

Am I absolving Manny? Quite the opposite. By this time in his DC/HC tenure, he has to know that Flanagan is always going to call hard against Miami and prepare his players accordingly to try and minimize calls and be aware of the mental aspect of not getting calls in your favor (TVD having at least two roughing the passer and one face mask not being called last night) and having resilency to shake it off.

This lack of preperation for an easily planned for detail should be another nail in Manny's HC Coffin.
 
I could buy the title ”coaches and players are to blame”!
Your title blames only blames 50% of the culprit!
 
Who recruited these terrible players who can’t stop committing penalties or missing assignments? BTW, this is the same excuse D’Onofrio would give week after week.
 
FMCANE said:
Most of these athletes have been playing football, or another sport, since elementary school. By now, they know the rules and should be disciplined players. The Corey Flagg comments says more about the players than coaches. Why are players needing to taught or coached in practice self discipline or self control? Self discipline is one of the basics of any sportlearned during youth football, basketball, soccer, tennis, swimming, etc. Sure self discipline should be addressed and emphasized during practice. Blame coaches for play calling, game planning, preparation, communication, knowledge of rules, etc. If players were too "hyped"or "shook", etc., (which could happen in this rivalry game) more experienced players should have stepped in and calmed players nerves. Undisciplined penalties, 90% of that responsibility is on players. Just my opinion.
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Your opinion is clueless and sucks. That’s just my opinion
 
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FMCANE said:
This "fan" has been a "fan" for 57 years. Am not defending the staff, and putting partial blame on players. At least read what I write.
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I read what u wrote, and at the end of the day, players do have responsibilities, but the fact is, if this was a one game or a one season situation, ur point would be valid; but, as I’ve highlighted in another thread, we’ve been in the bottom 3rd in penalties every season under Diaz, and it started IMMEDIATELY after he became coach.

So no, the player angle ain’t gone fly, my guy. This is a poorly coached team, period.
 
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