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jerzeycane said:
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bAMACANE said:
Tyre Brady looks like the athlete to gain speed over the years. Herb was a 4.7 guy now he's running 4.3s. Expect the same with Brady.
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tyre brady ran around a 4.8 at a couple camps before his Sr year as well. dude just doesnt have that much speed. he'll have to make up for it in other ways.
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Disagree. He just seems like a guy who hasn't been trained to run the 40. Almost positive that he'll be into the 4.5's next year.
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Not an expert in this area, but I've been more or less following this stuff for years and it's my impression that a lot of kids get bigger, stronger and faster over time. They put in the work to do it. I wouldn't be surprised to see a WR running 4.8's end up running around 4.5 after a couple of years of work to get faster. They probably don't have a lot of speed coaching in HS.
 
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Ghandi said:
AUcane said:
Broken down by position. Surprised that: Brady didn't run faster, Kayaa is slow and weak, Harris/McCray/Smith (our rush guys) didn't run faster, Thomas - impressive.

Brad Kaaya: 5.51 40 (5.46 best), 4.80 20, 290 squat, 186 power clean, 205 bench press, 23.5 vertical
Malik Rosier: 4.79 40 (4.69 best), seven reps of 225, 375 squat, 247 power clean, 260 bench press, 28 vertical

Joe Yearby: 4.65 40 (4.62 best), 13 reps of 225, 425 squat, 315 bench press, 28 vertical

Braxton Berrios: Didn't run, 13 reps of 225, 252 power clean, 320 bench press
Tyre Brady: 4.86 40 (4.83 best), 4.48 20-yard shuttle, five reps of 225, 365 squat, 242 power clean, 270 bench press, 34 vertical
David Njoku: 4.76 40 (4.67 best), 4.64 20, nine reps of 225, 275 power clean, 35.5 vertical

Chris Herndon: 4.82 40 (4.79 best), 4.62 20, 17 reps of 225

Joe Brown's results: 5.78 40 (5.74 best), 5.15 20-yard shuttle, 9 reps of 225, 315 squat, 232 power clean, 275 bench press, 22.5 vertical
Trevor Darling: 5.88 40 (5.83 best), 5.52 20, 13 reps of 225, 365 squat, 264 power clean, 315 bench press, 24 vertical
Tyler Grimsley: 5.40 40 (5.34 best), 4.74 20, 25 reps of 225, 405 squat, 308 power clean, 385 bench press, 24.5 vertical
Nick Linder: 5.60 40 (5.53 best), 5.05 20, 21 reps of 225, 405 squat, 252 power clean, 320 bench press, 27.5 vertical
KC McDermott: 5.64 40 (5.56 best), 5.14 20, 22 reps of 225, 365 squat, 276 power clean, 365 bench press, 21 vertical

Trent Harris: 5.09 40 (4.96 best), 4.60 20, 13 reps of 225, 365 squat, 308 power clean, 315 bench press, 26.5 vertical
Calvin Heurtelou: 5.66 40 (5.57 best), 5.17 20, 33 reps of 225, 264 squat, 26.5 vertical
Demetrius Jackson: 4.85 40 (4.71 best), 4.39 20, 15 reps of 225, 345 squat, 252 power clean, 305 bench press, 30 vertical
Courtel Jenkins: 5.53 40 (5.43 best), 5.18 20, 20 reps of 225, 465 squat, 301 power clean, 385 bench press, 19.5 vertical
Chad Thomas: 4.91 40 (4.82 best), 4.50 20, 11 reps of 225, 355 squat, 300 bench press, 27.5 vertical
Michael Wyche: Did not test in running, did 35 reps of 225, 275 squat, 435 bench press, 22 vertical

Terry McCray: 5.14 40 (5.07 best), 4.69 20, eight reps of 225, 335 squat, 132 power clean, 265 bench press
Darrion Owens: 4.79 40 (4.78 best), 4.36 20, 17 reps of 225, 425 squat, 332 power clean, 355 bench press, 29.5 vertical
Mike Smith: 5.22 40 (5.09 best), 4.99 20, 14 reps of 22, 335 squat, 220 power clean, 325 bench press, 22.5 vertical
Juwon Young: 4.75 40 (4.69 best), 4.55 20, 23 reps of 225, 440 squat, 332 power clean, 385 bench press, 32.5 vertical

Marques Gayot: 4.87 40 (4.82 best), 4.29 20, 13 reps of 225, 365 squat, 264 power clean, 300 bench press, 30.5 vertical
Kiy Hester: 4.64 40 (4.57 best), 4.30 20, nine reps of 225, 455 squat, 252 power clean, 285 bench press, 28.5 verticl
Ryan Mayes: 4.66 40 (4.61 best), 4.42 20, for reps of 225, 385 squat, 242 power clean, 245 bench press, 32 vertical
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That's a lot of slow kids...

4.8's and up.
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I'm not too worried. As others more expert than I said here, there are a lot of variables in 40 times--quality of field, technique, etc. I've seen kids improve 40 times a lot. One thing I do not understand is the significance of squats. We had two DTs with relatively mediocre squats: Hourtelou and Wyche. I don't know if that's significant or not. I'd always thought it was important that DTs have strong and explosive lower bodies. I saw kids with big butts who seemed very strong and explosive in their lower bodies who just excelled at DT. Two that come to mind are Jerome Brown and Warren Sapp. I've always had the impression the bigger butt kids generally had a lot more strength and explosiveness, especially when playing low. In an OL, it seems that upper body strength might be valued more. Hard to set rigid rules, but that seems to be what I've observed over the years. if any of the experts have any thoughts, please share them.
 
LexZapata said:
I read somewhere Wyche could squat 600. Maybe he's injured hence why he didn't run....
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That was State of the U quoting this guy Porter I think from the Palm Beach paper. I just saw it. HUDL reported 700 lb squat!!!

With 500 lb bench press. So, make what you want of these reports. Take 'em all with a grain of salt.
 
TheMatador said:
jerzeycane said:
DerekDohrman said:
bAMACANE said:
Tyre Brady looks like the athlete to gain speed over the years. Herb was a 4.7 guy now he's running 4.3s. Expect the same with Brady.
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tyre brady ran around a 4.8 at a couple camps before his Sr year as well. dude just doesnt have that much speed. he'll have to make up for it in other ways.
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Disagree. He just seems like a guy who hasn't been trained to run the 40. Almost positive that he'll be into the 4.5's next year.
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Not an expert in this area, but I've been more or less following this stuff for years and it's my impression that a lot of kids get bigger, stronger and faster over time. They put in the work to do it. I wouldn't be surprised to see a WR running 4.8's end up running around 4.5 after a couple of years of work to get faster. They probably don't have a lot of speed coaching in HS.
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I'm not too worried about Brady. I think he is a very smooth runner. If I had to guess, he needs to train for burst and work on getting off the line.
 
Guys, squats alone WILL NOT make anyone faster. The posterior chain needs to be developed as well (hamstrings, glutes, and low back). Hence, why cleans are probably the most important lift for football. This translates to short area explosion and quick acceleration on the field, along with squats. Squats only help with creating force into the ground, while the posterior chain activates the "pulling" action of the stride. Make no mistake, squats are only beneficial for football players if they are BELOW parallel. This helps get that posterior chain involved and getting the athletes butt out of the "hole".
 
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hollyhood27 said:
On a side note lotus is already benching over 300.
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Long time Hollyhood!!!! Seen some film on him, got a mean streak! It's very tough for guys with long arms to sky rocket their bench press, but it's a part of the process. 5lbs here, 15lbs there, 10lbs here. He must have some decent coaches, don't know much about the guys , but sure they can coach a little ball.
 
Lol not 2014 but I just saw Cronkrite power clean 295 like it was nothing. Kids a freak man we definitely need to hold onto him
 
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Brown and Maye's numbers are less than what I do in my garage! Maybe those receiver 40 times why we recruiting so heavy at WR. Just like the combine, many of the top WR aren't as fast as their production numbers may imply. Guys like Amp Lee (RB) FSU 89-91 put up impressive numbers but was not fast by anybody's standard.
 
Why don't we watch guys in pads, with the lights on before we start calling them slow. Being able to get in and out of breaks and create separation will make them look plenty fast.
 
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Ghandi said:
rudebuddha said:
lauderdaleballer said:
Geo305 said:
Some of the numbers don't add up. Sometimes you can't go by that.

You ever watch Brady play. He has little man feet for a big guy.

Harris, McCray and Smith numbers don't make much sense to me. Neither does wyche.

Can't put much stock into these things either. Very early and guys make big gains in every department in a college weight program.

I remember Hurns was said to have ran 4.7-4.8s way before. Guy ran 4.5 at combine.

I won't put much stock into this. On the field and in the gym are two different animals.
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Hurns was never that slow... He was actually believed to be the best wideout at UF's FNL... The kid always been a 4.5-6 speed... We have an issue with our wideouts speed...
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What issue would that be?
They are going to outrun the qb's arms?

Dorsett could be the fastest guy in college football. Coley, Waters and Lewis seem to all be 4.4 guys.

This is college not the Jamaican Olympic sprint team, and definitely not the NFL.
Reggie Wayne proved that running crisp routes and catching the ball is much more important than blazing speed. Sure it helps to have the whole package, but last time I checked Julio Jones' and Sammy Watkins' are rarities.

We have plenty of enough speed at the skill positions, especially where it counts: wide receiver and running back.
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Reggie Wayne also proved he was an explosive athlete at the NFL combine.

Outside of Coley, most of the explosive players leave the WR position by 2016. You need to get kids that are elite athletes at the position.
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Like Berrios, who put up the top SPARQ results of anyone last year?
 
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Wyche's squat number has to be incorrect or he is injured. No way he could only do 275. H*ll he's 360 pounds walking around, how does he even hold himself up?

40 times are overrated. They are often inaccurate anyway. It's been said ad nauseum but who runs 40 yards straight ahead in shorts and track shoes during a football game? I don't need Stacy Coley's 40 time when I can look at film of him repeatedly running away from DBs who are his peer competition. Those times obscure so many other important factors - like heart, vision, stamina (how fast are you at the end of the game when it matters), change of direction, route running, short area quickness, etc. What did Mike Irvin run when he beat double coverage at FSU in '87 for the game winning come-from-behind TD?

I could careless about our QBs athleticism when the system doesn't call for him to run, again, what does the film show? As someone else posted above, Steve Walsh was a beast, I'd be surprised if his strength numbers were much better than Kaaya's or as good as Olsen's when he was blazing LSU, Arkansas, Wisconsin, Michigan, FSU, Nebraska, etc. in '88.
 
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