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In the simplest terms, why did it take so long for Miami to finally run a 21st century offense?

TemplarCane said:
A lot, or most of us, equated the spread offense to teams with subpar recruiting bases and teams that could not play defense. Teams in the old WAC conference, for example, or Leach at Texas Tech. We'd watch teams score 35-40-45 points but still lose, or crap the bed when they played far superior team.
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The fans that post on here deserve a lot of credit for making a lot of noise about moving to the spread offense. Manny deserves credit for his willingness to adapt & make significant changes. He's done an awesome job of identifying & addressing weaknesses in the offseason.

The addition of a true champion like Ed Reed was also huge for the culture of the program and recruiting (among other things). So grateful for Ed's love of the program & contributions. Legendary Cane that should forever be etched in Hurricane lore.

These are two of the primary reasons our program is on the rise again. It is great to see.
 
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Canegrad89 said:
The fans that post on here deserve a lot of credit for making a lot of noise about moving to the spread offense. Manny deserves credit for his willingness to adapt & make significant changes. He's done an awesome job of identifying & addressing weaknesses in the offseason.

The addition of a true champion like Ed Reed was also huge for the culture of the program and recruiting (among other things). So grateful for Ed's love of the program & contributions. Legendary Cane that should forever be etched in Hurricane lore.

These are two of the primary reasons our program is on the rise again. It is great to see.
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Agreed.

I now want to see Manny address deficiencies in the defense, and recruiting.
 
TemplarCane said:
A lot, or most of us, equated the spread offense to teams with subpar recruiting bases and teams that could not play defense. Teams in the old WAC conference, for example, or Leach at Texas Tech. We'd watch teams score 35-40-45 points but still lose, or crap the bed when they played far superior team.
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A lot of people equated the spread offense with being soft. I had this argument with my football buddies on Facebook many years ago. They would always point to the fact that these spread schools would win a bunch of games and then get slaughtered in a big bowl game by the likes of Alabama or LSU. (teams like Oregon for example)

Two things never occurred to these people...

1. Those schools simply ran into a program (Bama or LSU) that had much more talent than them. It wasn't about scheme.
2. The ONLY reason teams like Oregon were able to even BE IN THAT BIG BOWL game was because of their innovative offenses. Those schools that were ahead of the spread fad wouldn't stand a chance running the Pro Style.

I was told by them that the spread offense would never work against defenses with talent.
Then finally when programs with elite talent started adopting the spread offense as well, like Ohio State and Alabama, my petty a$$ would make sure to bring-up that debate all over again even if it was a year old. (via Facebook history feature)

"That Clemson spread offense is looking real soft running up and down the field on Alabama."
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I wonder how @Coach Macho would feel if we started to implement the 3-3-5 scheme that is starting to get used by more and more teams to stop Spread and Air Raid Offenses. Cause that appears to be the next modern thing.

Specifically tagged him because his defensive insight is pretty interesting to read through.
 
Funny enough, it was Richt who tried implementing a lot of spread concepts into the offense as early as 2016. He ran a simple RPO with a bubble/slant pass option. He ran some zone read with Rosier. He just didn’t have enough experience in it and his entire offensive staff was getting the friends and family treatment so there wasn’t anyone to show him the ropes.

High schools, at least here, have been running spread offenses almost exclusively for 10 years now. The Northwestern teams in the mid-late 2000s were one of the first real powerhouse programs to do it and they killed everyone. Now, almost every team runs almost everything out of the shotgun. If you were running a pro style offense after 2010, you had to teach pretty much every single recruit how to play in your system because none of them did any of that stuff in high school. Jarren Williams and Tate Martell had to learn how to take snaps from under center last year.

A lot of people thought it was gimmicky because it was gimmicky at first. You saw Hal Mumme’s Kentucky teams put up all kinds of crazy passing numbers but still lose by 20 every week. (BTW, he ran the air raid in the SEC over twenty years before Mike Leach) I think Chip Kelly and Gus Malzahn took it to that second level where they incorporated a heavy running game to what was originally a pass only system. Those guys started competing nationally with those systems and it didn’t take long for everyone to follow suit. You even see NFL teams using it now but unless they change the rule on how far linemen are allowed down field on pass plays, coaches will have to alter their system to use it.
 
Coach Macho said:
A lot of people equated the spread offense with being soft. I had this argument with my football buddies on Facebook many years ago. They would always point to the fact that these spread schools would win a bunch of games and then get slaughtered in a big bowl game by the likes of Alabama or LSU. (teams like Oregon for example)

Two things never occurred to these people...

1. Those schools simply ran into a program (Bama or LSU) that had much more talent than them. It wasn't about scheme.
2. The ONLY reason teams like Oregon were able to even BE IN THAT BIG BOWL game was because of their innovative offenses. Those schools that were ahead of the spread fad wouldn't stand a chance running the Pro Style.

I was told by them that the spread offense would never work against defenses with talent.
Then finally when programs with elite talent started adopting the spread offense as well, like Ohio State and Alabama, my petty a$$ would make sure to bring-up that debate all over again even if it was a year old. (via Facebook history feature)

"That Clemson spread offense is looking real soft running up and down the field on Alabama."
crickets GIF
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And Nick Saban, of all coaches, saw the future and revamped his offense and his defense for the spread era. He may not like teams scoring 35-40-45 points on him but he’d rather win those games than lose them.
 
Canegrad89 said:
The fans that post on here deserve a lot of credit for making a lot of noise about moving to the spread offense. Manny deserves credit for his willingness to adapt & make significant changes. He's done an awesome job of identifying & addressing weaknesses in the offseason.

The addition of a true champion like Ed Reed was also huge for the culture of the program and recruiting (among other things). So grateful for Ed's love of the program & contributions. Legendary Cane that should forever be etched in Hurricane lore.

These are two of the primary reasons our program is on the rise again. It is great to see.
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No they don't

The old *** farts here, were prostyle bro for a long time.
 
Same reasons every HC has failed- stubbornness! Also the same thing that gives me hope with Manny. Doesn’t seem stubborn like his predecessors.
 
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