In my exile, the burning bush spoke to me....

[FullyERicht]

Great post, OP. We've been woefully inept coaching offense and QBs here since Pink Erickson departed. He was our last innovative cutting edge offensive football coach.

Look around football these days. Most teams who are getting great QB play are doing so out of spread attacks. Traditional pound it at you in a phone booth teams like Bama and LSU have been struggling badly at the QB position for awhile even with teams loaded with 4 and 5 star talent.

Meanwhile, a guy like Herman is taking 3rd string QBs at both of his last gigs, including one who was recently a WR at Houston and beating people and piling up offense. Even Mike Leach, who catches a lot of heat, always seems able to plug in a QB and not skip a beat offensively. Baylor does the same thing.

This is why I'm so critical of the thought of hiring a conservative defensive minded HC like Davis or Wrong who have always been behind the times running archaic offenses.

Yup. It's also a matter of bringing us back to our roots. When we were a crap program that everyone laughed at it wasn't crootin' or the 4-3 that gave us life. It was the QB and modern offense. The blueprint is there. We just need to follow it.

 

[01Canes]

......and spoke to me about what first put Miami on the map. It wasn't "swagger". It wasn't "local recruiting ties", or "understanding South Florida". It wasn't even defense.

It was The Quarterback.

For those too young to know, or too old to remember, this place used to be called "Quarterback U". Kelly, Kosar, Vinny and Walsh one right after the next. Innovative offense meets elite QB play. We used to expect it around here.

But then suddenly Miami fans began to take an odd stance: "all we need is a game manager". It's actually Butch's fault; he built a team that was so insanely talented, including the best O-Line in history, that a big-hearted but physically limited Dorsey was able to guide us to title(s).

Now I bet you expect me to rail on our sophomore QB.....but the burning bush reminded me that we have had a half-dozen highly sought after QB recruits since Dorsey left, and they all experience the same troubling pattern:

Young player shows talent but makes expected rookie mistakes. Rookie mistakes never go away even in 3rd and 4th year. Fans determine player a bust. Rinse and repeat.

Those early years QBs were guided by the likes of Howard Schnellenberger (a Superbowl winning OC), Mark Trestman (a future NFC champion OC, AFC champion OC, and three time CFL Champion HC), and Gary Stevens (who ran the Phins offense for a decade with Marino).

Compare that to the likes of Larry Coker, Patrick Nix, Mark Whipple, and the FSU head recruiter whose name I can't even type he's so bad.

So I ask you what is more likely: Bad luck, or horrendously inadequate coaching at the QB position?

I have my preferences for the next HC, but really, what matters more to me than the specific HC is that we get someone in here that understands that the QB is not only the most important position on the field, but it's the most important position in Miami history. It is much easier to take a talented QB and couple him with an ELITE coach, than it is to hope to field a team of probowlers.

It's time to bring explosive offense back to Miami, and it starts with coaching up the QB.

Welcome back. Great post.

It's a big reason why I disagree with those who'd accept hiring a defensive-minded coach who's conservative and/or incompetent offensively. Having Brad Kaaya at QB for the next year or two doesn't mean we'll be competitive as soon as next season if we just fix the defense. The offense is also broken and the QB coaching is beyond inadequate.

When you actually hit on prized QB recruits, you need to maximize their potential through proper development and surround them with as much difference making skill talent as possible. A coach who's conservative by nature and clueless offensively isn't going to help sustain any of that for the long haul.

 

[JaxonCane]

Herman would make all our QB woes disappear.

We don't know that.

He hasn't even been a HC a full year.

Jerry Faust could win in that conference.

Are you really debating if Herman can coach QBs?

I get that you might think he's unproven to be a HC ... But do you really still doubt this guys ability to coach QBs?

No coincidence that the QB play has been rather suspect now that he's gone.

J.Winston did not play as well in 2014 after winning it all in 2103. Did Herman leave their too?

PhuckOuttaHere....LOL


Sonny Long - Ok so don't take this as an insult - but I have heard you say that you played ball (I am assuming college ball - please correct me if I am wrong) So I think you have a lot to add - but your message gets lost because of the constant insults you throw at these guys. I for one would like to hear what you really have to say. And not the general stuff like Winston was worse but Why was he worse? Did they change the offense, were routes different, or was it just a personell thing? Again I think you have some good knowledge and I would encourage you to share it.

 

[jackedaround]

We don't know that.

He hasn't even been a HC a full year.

Jerry Faust could win in that conference.

Are you really debating if Herman can coach QBs?

I get that you might think he's unproven to be a HC ... But do you really still doubt this guys ability to coach QBs?

No coincidence that the QB play has been rather suspect now that he's gone.

J.Winston did not play as well in 2014 after winning it all in 2103. Did Herman leave their too?

PhuckOuttaHere....LOL


Sonny Long - Ok so don't take this as an insult - but I have heard you say that you played ball (I am assuming college ball - please correct me if I am wrong) So I think you have a lot to add - but your message gets lost because of the constant insults you throw at these guys. I for one would like to hear what you really have to say. And not the general stuff like Winston was worse but Why was he worse? Did they change the offense, were routes different, or was it just a personell thing? Again I think you have some good knowledge and I would encourage you to share it.

talent around him got worse. that simple.

 

[mdpcane]

Herman would make all our QB woes disappear.

We don't know that.

He hasn't even been a HC a full year.

Jerry Faust could win in that conference.

Dude won a NC with a 3rd stringer.

it could be argued that with their top receivers all out of the game, Oregon lost that game more than Oh State won it.

 

[jackedaround]

Herman would make all our QB woes disappear.

We don't know that.

He hasn't even been a HC a full year.

Jerry Faust could win in that conference.

Dude won a NC with a 3rd stringer.

it could be argued that with their top receivers all out of the game, Oregon lost that game more than Oh State won it.

what happened to bama then? what happened to their defense? why'd they get 42 hung on them?

 

[FullyERicht]

Herman would make all our QB woes disappear.

We don't know that.

He hasn't even been a HC a full year.

Jerry Faust could win in that conference.

Dude won a NC with a 3rd stringer.

it could be argued that with their top receivers all out of the game, Oregon lost that game more than Oh State won it.

And that had what to do with OSU's offense going ham with a 3rd string QB?

 

[cowboycane]

Herman would make all our QB woes disappear.

We don't know that.

He hasn't even been a HC a full year.

Jerry Faust could win in that conference.

Dude won a NC with a 3rd stringer.

it could be argued that with their top receivers all out of the game, Oregon lost that game more than Oh State won it.

Wisconsin...Alabama...Oregon...that's a trend, mon frere.

Also, they won 42-20. It's not like it was close. So yeah, I guess you could argue that, but it would be a really stupid argument. It's like arguing that we could have beat UNC if the refs weren't awful...even though we lost 58-21.

 

[DiegoCane]

Herman would make all our QB woes disappear.

We don't know that.

He hasn't even been a HC a full year.

Jerry Faust could win in that conference.

Dude won a NC with a 3rd stringer.

it could be argued that with their top receivers all out of the game, Oregon lost that game more than Oh State won it.

Where do you people come up with this stuff? Did you even watch the game?

Ohio St had 4 TOs, Oregon had 1 TO.

Ohio St completely controlled the game

 

[LuCane]

......and spoke to me about what first put Miami on the map. It wasn't "swagger". It wasn't "local recruiting ties", or "understanding South Florida". It wasn't even defense.

It was The Quarterback.

For those too young to know, or too old to remember, this place used to be called "Quarterback U". Kelly, Kosar, Vinny and Walsh one right after the next. Innovative offense meets elite QB play. We used to expect it around here.

But then suddenly Miami fans began to take an odd stance: "all we need is a game manager". It's actually Butch's fault; he built a team that was so insanely talented, including the best O-Line in history, that a big-hearted but physically limited Dorsey was able to guide us to title(s).

Now I bet you expect me to rail on our sophomore QB.....but the burning bush reminded me that we have had a half-dozen highly sought after QB recruits since Dorsey left, and they all experience the same troubling pattern:

Young player shows talent but makes expected rookie mistakes. Rookie mistakes never go away even in 3rd and 4th year. Fans determine player a bust. Rinse and repeat.

Those early years QBs were guided by the likes of Howard Schnellenberger (a Superbowl winning OC), Mark Trestman (a future NFC champion OC, AFC champion OC, and three time CFL Champion HC), and Gary Stevens (who ran the Phins offense for a decade with Marino).

Compare that to the likes of Larry Coker, Patrick Nix, Mark Whipple, and the FSU head recruiter whose name I can't even type he's so bad.

So I ask you what is more likely: Bad luck, or horrendously inadequate coaching at the QB position?

I have my preferences for the next HC, but really, what matters more to me than the specific HC is that we get someone in here that understands that the QB is not only the most important position on the field, but it's the most important position in Miami history. It is much easier to take a talented QB and couple him with an ELITE coach, than it is to hope to field a team of probowlers.

It's time to bring explosive offense back to Miami, and it starts with coaching up the QB.

The QB's play is a mere symptom of mentality and system. Now, of course there are individual/player mistakes, but a lot of our guys have suffered while very average QBs elsewhere do well.

What makes Miami is always being on the cutting edge of...something. And, combining that with an unmatched competitive advantage (access to talent).

 

[Rellyrell]

Herman would make all our QB woes disappear.

We don't know that.

He hasn't even been a HC a full year.

Jerry Faust could win in that conference.

Are you really debating if Herman can coach QBs?

I get that you might think he's unproven to be a HC ... But do you really still doubt this guys ability to coach QBs?

No coincidence that the QB play has been rather suspect now that he's gone.

J.Winston did not play as well in 2014 after winning it all in 2103. Did Herman leave their too?

PhuckOuttaHere....LOL

Bruh....chill. I'm w/ Butch all day everyday, but you gotta give credit to Herman. He demands respect and the players give it to him. Plus, he's got a good handle on running a team since Urban place complete trust in allowing him to run the offense on a P5 team. If we got him, I think that would be a real win for us.

Of course, I want Butch. If you've seen any of my post, I'll defend him tooth and nail...with that being said, that doesn't make me oblivious to other candidates out there that could do the same, if not a better job than Butch. Butch is my true number one choice. With the U part 2 airing over and over and over again, I think recruits in the backyard will flock right back here. Gundy is my number two guy. The guy just get it and players just respond to that guy; he's got lil brother Ok St stomping w/ big brother OU. It'll be scary to see what he can do w/ true elite talent in the backyard. But I DEFINITELY wouldn't be mad at Herman being at the Helm here.

 

[OBLIVION]

 

[UMFarArcher]

Never seen so many experts in one place.

The quarterback wins.
The spread offense wins.
The defense wins.

Last time I noticed, it's eleven men at a time on that field.

 

[jackedaround]

Never seen so many experts in one place.

The quarterback wins.
The spread offense wins.
The defense wins.

Last time I noticed, it's eleven men at a time on that field.

i wouldnt call our players men. they are mere boys.

 

[FullyERicht]

Never seen so many experts in one place.

The quarterback wins.
The spread offense wins.
The defense wins.

Last time I noticed, it's eleven men at a time on that field.

I can feel your irritability through the screen. With each passing day, you realize more and more Butch Davis is nothing more than a fall back option. You realize that what you heard about Paul DiMare being a one man search party is not true. "I can feeeel your anger...."

 

[deleted3746]

How did Butch and John Shoop develop QBs at UNC?

IIRC, they signed 5*/4* Mike Paulus and 4* Bryn Renner.

 

[dudenate]

OP's premise is all wrong. KD should won the Heisman here. Dude won like 85 games here or something. He wasn't a game manager.

 

[FullyERicht]

OP's premise is all wrong. KD should won the Heisman here. Dude won like 85 games here or something. He wasn't a game manager.

Huh? I could give a **** about the Heisman or how many games he won. I love Dorsey. Actually knew him back when he attended Miami. Great guy. One of the all time greatest Canes and deserves to be revered for eternity.

But the dude played behind the greatest college OL of all time. His Left tackle didn't give up a sack in 2000 or 2001. His running backs were three probowlers, one of whom will be in the HOF (Portis, Willis, and Gore). His wide receivers include 2 Hall of Famers (AJ and Reggie) and a perennial pro bowler (Santana) . His tight ends (Bubba, Shockey, and K2) were all pro bowlers. His defense was stacked with as more or more pro bowl talent. THAT's why he was so good.

Ken Dorsey was a 7th round pick with no arm. I LOVE the dude. But it is absurd to compare his talent level to that of Jim Kelly, Kosar, or Vinny. It's not in the same class at all. Go back and watch a game from that era.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Never seen so many experts in one place.

The quarterback wins.
The spread offense wins.
The defense wins.

Last time I noticed, it's eleven men at a time on that field.

I can feel your irritability through the screen. With each passing day, you realize more and more Butch Davis is nothing more than a fall back option. You realize that what you heard about Paul DiMare being a one man search party is not true. "I can feeeel your anger...."

Irritability - maybe. Doesn't have anything to do with Butch.

I know that Herman's not coming to UM.

Fuentes isn't coming to UM.

I think they're very likely good, upcoming coaches. I think they're onto bigger, better things.

But UM can't afford the risk right now.

Herman comes, I won't complain - but Herman isn't coming.

 

[FullyERicht]

Never seen so many experts in one place.

The quarterback wins.
The spread offense wins.
The defense wins.

Last time I noticed, it's eleven men at a time on that field.

I can feel your irritability through the screen. With each passing day, you realize more and more Butch Davis is nothing more than a fall back option. You realize that what you heard about Paul DiMare being a one man search party is not true. "I can feeeel your anger...."

Irritability - maybe. Doesn't have anything to do with Butch.

I know that Herman's not coming to UM.

Fuentes isn't coming to UM.

I think they're very likely good, upcoming coaches. I think they're onto bigger, better things.

But UM can't afford the risk right now.

Herman comes, I won't complain - but Herman isn't coming.

So you are one of these chicken little fans who think Miami can't afford a good coach? Or that Miami is a loser program?

I mean you are talking about a team that still over the last several decades has won more than any other school. Have some **** pride. Sick of these people who trash their own program.