I'm tired of hearing the cupboard was bare.

[MiamisMoperiestMopes]

Why do so many look at the build for dominance for years vs can win now as such a black and white of an argument? You can do both given the division and conference we play in. Not meaning expecting to knock Clemson off their pedestal but rather win our side at least while being competitive when playing them.

I'm not touting giving up on Mario or anything close to that. He just needs to adjust to the reality of what he has available to work w/ right now and max it out best as possible. We've taken three losses that were all winnable games for us. Yesterday and MTSU especially. Enough talent to beat those teams, imo. Had we, the whole perception and mood of the program would be a 150 from what it is now.

Because it’s just easier to deflect criticism that Mario is average coach.

 

[Bird4um]

The coaching has been abysmal.

But who are the best three players on this team?

Hedley is number 1
VanDyke 2
Garcia 3

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

That's their thought process, the problem is that this fanbase and community won't let you build long term. Mario is a "We want to have a dominant program for years to come" hire, the question is can he win enough to keep the idiots at bay and build this roster out. Kiffin is guy that would win immediately(Because he would be able to scheme, especially with TVD), but you have a well defined, non championship ceiling.

Now, maybe with Kiffin winning immediately, the recruiting would pick up and he would be able to succeed, but who knows. I'm not close to giving up on Mario, but I think that I'm a lot more patient than the majority of our fanbase, most of whom ignored what Mario said all offseason about "Getting to work" and wrongly assumed that this wasn't a rebuild. Don't get me wrong, coming out and losing to MTSU is unacceptable, but this team looks exactly like the team we thought it would be, inconsistent as all ****, with a shortage of talent at key positions.

…says the guy who predicted 10 wins or more this year

 

[Lokest]

Yes it would, because every handoff would be getting more yardage with the same blocking. He's a back that can get yards when it isnt blocked up, and outrun the defense when he gets a seam. We wouldnt have to drive the field to score. Thats our main problem, we arent explosive. Next year when you see Ray Ray or B Washington take a bubble screen and break a defenders tackle and go for a 70 yard td you'll see exactly what Im talking about.

Not with Gattis here corchin em up

 

[Atom Atlas]

I can't imagine that USC has had astronomically better recruiting classes than Miami the last 5 years.

And yet they're 5-0 and clearly moving in the positive direction in year 1 of a new Coach.

64-63 vs 61-10..... I know it doesn't mean everything but it means something...

 

[WestEndZone]

USC and TCU must have cheat codes because they’re beating everyone they should be beating in year one.

Everyone is making the same bull**** excuses. Didn’t @DMoney report that the staff was expecting a great year, which would parlay into a “second wave”? They know they should be winning and they’re not. It’s an abject failure at this point.

Now we have threads coming up about returns to average level of play being sold as marginal improvement. We have a program filled with losers and fans buying into loser mentality.

This program died 10-15 years ago. This will take a miracle moment to create something new and completely independent of whatever magic we had before.

Is this toxic? Idk probably for people who don’t want to see the truth. Do recruits read this? Maybe. They also watch the embarrassment on the field and the empty stadium week after week.

I show up and put my money where my mouth is with the program and this is the most disappointed I’ve been. It’s because of the hope and investment we were sold.

We need to fuxking win games now.

 

[dookie blaylock]

It is a forum faux pas to use a second CiS account to agree with a post you make with your first CiS account.

db305 = fraggle. Just want you to know that I know that you know that I know--and I'll be watching.

haha i'm no fraggle fan, but this is one of those times where he's right. broken clocks and such.

 

[chrisRMNU]

I can't imagine that USC has had astronomically better recruiting classes than Miami the last 5 years.

And yet they're 5-0 and clearly moving in the positive direction in year 1 of a new Coach.

Lincoln is an X's and O's coach, and that typically sees instant results. Miami had a choice, instant results, or build a program back up from the foundation. Mario is the guy who tears it all down and builds it back better (hopefully). His success at Miami won't be determined in year 1 or 2, but rather by his ability to flip the culture and win big recruiting battles.

 

[Ironmanfootball]

Riley brought OU's two best players with him and also landed the ******* Biletnikoff winner in the offseason. Can't even compare the two hires

Mario could've brought his Oregon QB but... well... yeah.
Addison could've come to Miami but saw Gattis and Mario and said NOPE rather go to a place where the HC has put some WR's in the NFL in the last 4-5 years.
Why didn't Flowe come to Miami with Mario? Why didn't Dye come to Miami at RB?

 

[UnForgiven]

Okay Fraggle critics take your shots.

There are no Fraggle critics. Only degrees of fans.

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

Lincoln is an X's and O's coach, and that typically sees instant results. Miami had a choice, instant results, or build a program back up from the foundation. Mario is the guy who tears it all down and builds it back better (hopefully). His success at Miami won't be determined in year 1 or 2, but rather by his ability to flip the culture and win big recruiting battles.

When has he ever torn a program down and rebuilt it to be successful? you think Miami hired him thinking this was a rebuild? Yeah right

 

[Rd745]

I can't imagine that USC has had astronomically better recruiting classes than Miami the last 5 years.

And yet they're 5-0 and clearly moving in the positive direction in year 1 of a new Coach.

They have a top 3 QB, the best WR in the country and the best offensive coach in the country. Do any of those things remind you of what we have?????

 

[PSU Cane]

The empty cupboard thing is an excuse. It's such BS. We are talking So Miss, MTSU, UNC's decrepit defense, etc.....the talent is there to easily win these games. It's not a talent issue. We do not have less talent than UAB, James Madison, App State and others who destroyed MTSU or put points on UNC. It's much deeper and the coaches/players need to look at themselves in the mirror and then look at each other.

On defense we have 3x 5-star kids and a bunch of 4-star kids who are simply not producing. They have talent.
- Rique, JW, Taylor were all highly coveted and would be starting at most programs. Now maybe not the SAME positions, but again, look above.....the kids need to look themselves in the mirror and ask, am i playing the wrong position?
- Avantae and Kam - pretty much recruited by everyone.
- Couch, Harvey, Chantz, Roberts, Keontra, Chase - all 4 star kids recruited by a combination of Michigan, UGA, UF, FSU, Oregon, OU, Pitt, NC State, Penn State. All except Chase were recruited by Michigan.

Then top that off by bringing in a guy like Mesidor, who had 9.5 sacks and 14.5 TFLs in 20 games as a freshman/sophomore. You could talk depth pieces like Jackson and Porter, or incoming freshmen like Kelly, Wes, Rogers, Graves, etc......but even excluding them, you're going to to me there's zero athletic talent in there? Good luck convincing me of that. If you want to say development issue, attitude/culture/work ethic issue, coaching issue, scheme issue, or some other theory......i'll listen.

On offense, the OLine is lacking in talent as a unit but there are talented guys in there with a few hole pluggers. There's also a ton in the RB that can't stay healthy (or get out of their own way ON the field), there's plenty at QB, TE and more than enough at WR to score in this age of CFB. The TE alone should have been putting up points this year......except Arroyo was ignored and Mallory is consistently asked to run routes he struggles with. He's a straight line guy asked to run parallel.....ridiculous. The rest is injuries. Some is bad luck but the rest is on the coaches/S&C staff/players themselves to work on keeping guys healthy with conditioning, treatment and practice habits.

 

[theibisrules]

8-4

 

[NJcane55]

A specialist coach like dykes or lincoln is 5-0 with this roster simple

 

[Meast21]

It’s crazy to type this but I’m watching Gibbs the transfer from Gtech to Bama. And I’m positive if he had transferred here we would be undefeated. That’s how much talent matters. One player and our season is totally different. All those 5 and 15 yard gains we’ve gotten this year would have been possible touchdowns. And don’t say redzone woes because he makes multiple players miss every play. He would have been scoring when we were getting stopped.

Same with Kenneth Walker III at MSU last year who single handedly carried that team.

Despite a mountain of 4 star and some 5 star guys, this team has ZERO playmakers. Not a single player who can break a small gain into a huge one on athletic talent alone. Team desperately misses a stacy coley, duke johnson, jeff thomas type player. Not even talking about 1st round talent just someone with some explosion

 

[miamiphd]

The comparison with TCU depresses me. TCU is a private school, nowhere near the level of UM and USC in terms of desirable location and size. Plus, TCU has to compete for Texas/Oklahoma players against UT, TAM, Baylor, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Yet they are 5-0. Miami, has lost to inferior teams. TAM stinks and UM outplayed them, but gave the game away. MTSU was a debacle. No way, UNC is a good team.

Coaches are to blame? How many HCs has Miami had since Butch? It's a revolving door. Is it the players? I see plenty of less athletic players in the ACC on teams that make UM look like a D-2 team. Or is it something about the culture and the type of players the end up at UM?

I remember a Ray Lewis interview where he said he was a 3-star recruit and his only offer was at UM. Today, he is a Hall of Famer. I just can't imagine that type of success story occurring today at UM.

 

[Biscayne Buckets 8]

He did it at Georgia Tech…..

Agree. He wouldn’t do it here. Running in this scheme with this line? No shot.

 

[AtrainCane]

Agree. He wouldn’t do it here. Running in this scheme with this line? No shot.

Yes he would. our average backs are always one cut and an elite burst of speed from housing runs in this offense and with this blocking. They just cant get there because they dont have the talent and speed.

 

[fraggle]

If the cupboard was bare how come we have 41 4 star or better players on our roster PLUS Hedley, Restrepo and Borregales. What coach would have this record with that many 4+ star players plus a great punter and FG Kicker? Under this staff even Borregales and Mallory and TVD regressed. What has improved? Name something this star coaching staff has improved?

LOOK:

The Cupboard Mario has!

I've loved and followed this team since the 60's and with far less talent I've seen many great games and plays etched in my memory. One thing we always did through the 60's, 70's 80's was leave it all on the field and the teams we played knew it would take their best effort to compete with us. The exception was the 2000, 2001 team they knew what a Hurricane was. Games we lost I knew we had tried our best and we played the game with heart and desire. I rarely walked out of the OB disappointed, the exception was the final game there. Most of those years there were no stared recruits, they were simply Hurricanes and played like such. The games were battles not for the weak of heart, only real injuries kept a player off the field and if replaced the replacement was equal or better. I'll still come, I'll still root and when I bleed it is orange and green.