If we miss ACCCG + CFP, it will come back to one decision (SMU game)

[mosthated305]

Calling that late timeout on 4th and 9 was a boneheaded decision by Mario. I don't like calling timeouts when the offense is out, giving them more time to decide what play they would call. Then Lightfoot doesnt let up in time. Was a weak call especially in that moment of the game.

 

[flips]

he shouldn't have kneeled. he probably did because he had zero faith in beck (that was just 1.5 games removed from beck throwing 4 picks against louisville) -- and I gotta say, he was right.

I had no faith in Beck at that point, but I think Mario and Dawson know they made a mistake in that game and should have trusted him more.

They have mentioned the SMU game as being the pivot when Beck became much more comfortable with the offense, etc. It's odd to say that now and look back at the game and see that: we called 6 straight runs with 3 yards or less to get a first down on those two drives tied 17-17, kneeled before OT, and only threw the ball in OT as a last resort.

 

[AtrainCane]

I’d asssume the fact teams that are good are more often running out the clock to end games is shifting these stats significantly.

It’d be better to just look at first half or something..

I've been watching these teams all year. Unlike some people on this board, I watch teams around the country. When I watch Ole Miss I can tell the difference in the speed the plays are run. With these teams nothing jumps put at me.

 

[UMercury21]

Losing to Louisville was almost inevitable when you go down 14-0 in the first quarter and your QB throws four interceptions, including one on the final drive. I'm not going to waste energy there.

But I just can't get past Mario's decision to kneel the ball to force overtime against SMU in Dallas.

1st and 10, 0:25 seconds left, one timeout at your 25 yard line. Beck was playing well, you were moving the ball in the air, and we have a kicker that can hit from 50+ yards. It just baffles me to this day that he made the call to go to overtime instead of playing to win in regulation.

Two completions + a long kick and we're sitting at 10-1, ACCCG all but locked up and CFP playoff birth waiting for us.

That loss stings almost as bad as the Syracuse loss last year. This is a top-10 team, and we're likely going to be playing in the Pop-Tart bowl again this year...

you do realize that they couldn't go 7 yards earlier in the game for a TD with 1 minute left on the clock right...........

 

[AtrainCane]

Just a comedy of errors in that game. I said it all week the week after. There was about 1 out of 100 paths to take to lose and of course that's the one we walk down.

1st and 10 at the SMU 25 in the first quarter and don't score a point. Don't even attempt a field goal. Just an impossible outcome.

Absolutely perfect pass for a 20+ yard gain that is not only not a 20+ yard gain, but it's a turnover.

1st and goal at the 9 and don't score a TD.

1st and 10 at the SMU 38 in the 3rd quarter and don't score a point/don't even attempt a field goal.

1st and 10 at the SMU 34 and you only get a field goal because you follow up a Beck scramble with YET ANOTHER TWO SHORT YARDAGE RUNS, and you don't convert (shocker) and kick a FG.

The absolutely absurd combo of the Mauigoa hold AND picking up a PI flag on 3rd and 5 that likely ends the game if we convert.

The insane decision to kneel the ball with a multi-millionaire QB with 25 seconds and a timeout.

The 4th and 9 personal foul.

The ridiculously improbable catch by their WR on the sideline to make a 49 yard FG a 38 yard FG.

Throwing a pick in the endzone in Overtime.

Absolutely sickening.

The Mauigoa phantom hold is the one that ****es me off the most. The guy just fell down in front of him, thats just cheating.
same play guy is beat for a touchdown grabs from behind, flag is throw correctly...then picked up. Like you said thats the end of the game.

And the improbable catch wasnt a catch. The definition of a catch as we know it was changed for that play. Sorry man those arent bad calls thats cheating. It should be investigated.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

You’re playing the result not the process. 4th and 9 isn’t 4th and a mile. And what play did they draw up? They didn’t even have to run a play.

I’ll tell you this, if Lightfoot doesn’t run into Jennings, we actually get into the timeout, and when they snap it, they have absolutely nowhere to go with the ball and we stop the play and win, not a single person on this board would be saying “we won but wow what a dumbass move to call timeout and set your defense and give them a rest”. Not one singular person.

This is the definition of playing the result. I’m sure we could all find multiple examples of good coaches playing it like Mario did, and vice versa. There’s no “right” way to do this.

I still disagree. I think in that situation it's a terrible idea to call timeout. The important thing to note here is context. I'm certain as you are that there would be plenty of late game situations where calling a timeout on defense would be a great move. However this was not one of them and that is not playing the result. I had a feeling that Mario was going to do something like that because he has zero feel for game situations.

Look, if SMU was carving us up then yeah I call timeout to break up their rhythm but not on 4th and 9 when our defense had all the momentum and it was obvious that they were scrambling. You and I are for the most part on the same page but I have to disagree here and I would be the one guy on this board who would have said " It's great we won but what a dumbass move by Mario to stop the clock for them and let them draw up a play when our defense had all the momentum."

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

I still disagree. I think in that situation it's a terrible idea to call timeout. The important thing to note here is context. I'm certain as you are that there would be plenty of late game situations where calling a timeout on defense would be a great move. However this was not one of them and that is not playing the result. I had a feeling that Mario was going to do something like that because he has zero feel for game situations.

Look, if SMU was carving us up then yeah I call timeout to break up their rhythm but not on 4th and 9 when our defense had all the momentum and it was obvious that they were scrambling. You and I are for the most part on the same page but I have to disagree here and I would be the one guy on this board who would have said " It's great we won but what a dumbass move by Mario to stop the clock for them and let them draw up a play when our defense had all the momentum."

They had just completed a pass for 10 yards on the previous play. They weren't scrambling. Also, if there's one team who is completely fine going fast, who do you think that would be?

Remember, we got a sack on 2nd down. It was 3rd and 19. They completed a pass for 10 yards to set up the 4th and 9, it's not like they were running a Chinese fire drill out there. The literal play before the 4th down, they ran a play where they gained more yards than they needed on the 4th down. And their offense functions at warp-speed at all times.

My point is, Mario has made dumbass decisions that are clearly wrong (Hello, Georgia Tech). Where virtually any/every coach in history would have made a different decision. Clear -EV decisions. This was not one of them. This is purely a judgement call. Like calling or not calling a timeout in a basketball game down by 1 point with a few seconds left. Some coaches like to call timeout to set up a play. Others like to fly up the court and not let the opposing defense get set. Neither are wrong. There's no data that says one versus the other is right or wrong. It's just what you want to do.

 

[TaylorWalls]

Miami fans in a nutshell:

"We should be playing at a faster tempo because of our talent advantage."

Oh really? Why do the top teams play as slow or slower than we do?

"Duh, they can because they have a talent advantage. Are you stupid?"

 

[FrancisSawyer]

They had just completed a pass for 10 yards on the previous play. They weren't scrambling. Also, if there's one team who is completely fine going fast, who do you think that would be?

Remember, we got a sack on 2nd down. It was 3rd and 19. They completed a pass for 10 yards to set up the 4th and 9, it's not like they were running a Chinese fire drill out there. The literal play before the 4th down, they ran a play where they gained more yards than they needed on the 4th down. And their offense functions at warp-speed at all times.

My point is, Mario has made dumbass decisions that are clearly wrong (Hello, Georgia Tech). Where virtually any/every coach in history would have made a different decision. Clear -EV decisions. This was not one of them. This is purely a judgement call. Like calling or not calling a timeout in a basketball game down by 1 point with a few seconds left. Some coaches like to call timeout to set up a play. Others like to fly up the court and not let the opposing defense get set. Neither are wrong. There's no data that says one versus the other is right or wrong. It's just what you want to do.

Fair enough. I can live with the fact that it is purely a judgement call.

 

[Damiencane86]

There were also a 4th and 1 and a 3rd and 1 play we didn't convert.

Of course we ran both of them right up the middle.

We convert either one and that game is over.

This was no doubt the major turning points we had control over. The other half of the coin was this game also had 3 tremendously suspect penalties called against us which were 3rd down conversions we made that were overturned in SMU's favor. And the no PI call where Marion was clearly impeded on a go route. Tough to win on the road when you arent executing at your best plus have to beat the refs too.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Fair enough. I can live with the fact that it is purely a judgement call.

Respect your opinion. If you think he should've just let it play out, I sure as **** won't disagree nor do I have any data to say you're not making the right decision. I just truly feel this is one that's purely personal preference and what you're feeling in the moment. And, since we're completely and utterly cursed in every single aspect, not only does it wind up being the "wrong" call, but a 1 out of 1000 result happens and we get a 15 yard penalty without them even having to run a ******* play.

Thanks for the discussion. Now I have to pour a drink.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

you do realize that they couldn't go 7 yards earlier in the game for a TD with 1 minute left on the clock right...........

You do realize that we played much better in the second half than the first half IN MULTIPLE GAMES, right?

 

[UMercury21]

You do realize that we played much better in the second half than the first half IN MULTIPLE GAMES, right?

if only we could play other games durring the current game.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Miami fans in a nutshell:

"We should be playing at a faster tempo because of our talent advantage."

Oh really? Why do the top teams play as slow or slower than we do?

"Duh, they can because they have a talent advantage. Are you stupid?"

Them being slow isn’t nearly the same as us being slow. Do you really think OSU’s talent advantage is the same as ours? Do you think our offense is as good as Indiana’s? They are the #1 and #2 scoring defenses in the country. They are #1 and #2 in 3rd down percentage. Both average under 5 penalties per game.

They are machines and we aren’t.

 

[YLCANE]

refs in SMU game should be investigated

Agree but by who? Acc got what they wanted

Fk the acc, its on them to solve the ref issues miami
Has w the questionable calls
It’s up to meathead to solve the stupid penalties we continue to have, even last
Week, we score we kickoff we get a dumb **** penalty at end of play to let vt start at 40

 

[YLCANE]

That’s on the coaches being retarded pussies.

Idgaf what anyone says bringing in a top portal qb, paying him millions, then not BLINDLY 100% trusting him is ******* retarded. And the results after that is entirely on the coaches. You don’t answer a bad performance with FORCING a bad performance.

 

[YLCANE]

The Mauigoa phantom hold is the one that ****es me off the most. The guy just fell down in front of him, thats just cheating.
same play guy is beat for a touchdown grabs from behind, flag is throw correctly...then picked up. Like you said thats the end of the game.

And the improbable catch wasnt a catch. The definition of a catch as we know it was changed for that play. Sorry man those arent bad calls thats cheating. It should be investigated.

Again it’s on the acc to handle their refs!!!
See the pattern?

 

[Memnon]

I blame the fans.

 

[PennsylvaniaCane]

Agree but by who? Acc got what they wanted

Fk the acc, its on them to solve the ref issues miami
Has w the questionable calls
It’s up to meathead to solve the stupid penalties we continue to have, even last
Week, we score we kickoff we get a dumb **** penalty at end of play to let vt start at 40

I’ve never been to a practice at either school but when you see old Saban highlights he’s always getting in someone’s ear about a minor detail. We typically only see grainy satellite imagery of North Korea/Miami practices so I have no idea if people are being held accountable like that.

 

[mr.h]

But we beat ND, Florida and fsu.