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[OrangeBowlMagic]

You’re spinning and deflecting. your point is idiotic. Managing something effectively doesn’t guarantee success - it’s a competitive world and people are imperfect. However, managing things poorly (or barely) almost always ensures suboptimal outcomes.

You think dabo doesn’t manage venables? that’s just an idiotic view. it’s wrong. you could contend that there’s no proof he manages him well ... but i think the clemson program is pretty good evidence that dabo is, in fact, a good manager.

so you’re left with whether manny manages well. he has no experience managing and he’s done nothing to suggest he’s good at it. and there’s plenty of reason to doubt he is. but maybe you just fancy he’s a great manager. that’s your right.

He's a good defensive coordinator. Baker is not. That's all there is to it. It's football, you don't have to go deeper than that. Manny is better at Baker's job than Baker is. Period. Compound that with replacing kids like Shaq with players who belong at FIU (absolutely Manny's fault), you get what you got this year. It's just football. Many of the people who coach it have double-digit IQ's. This board acts like getting a football team to beat Duke is the same as running the R&D department at Apple. It's football. Hire someone who knows how to coach it and get really good players to play for you. It's not difficult. But Baker has proven he is not Manny when they occupy the same chair. Manny needs to find someone who is, or he's going to lose his job. As he should.

 

[DTP]

Literally?

The D that Wisconsin raped so bad Richt quit?

Championship D that gave up 24 to Toledo, 27 to each of GT and BC, 20 to Duke. That’s ‘literally a championship caliber d’?

The team that went

Duh. Enough with this "scheme is garbage" nonsense. It was just fine in 2018 when Miami LITERALLY had a championship caliber defense. It's the same scheme. Baker just sucks at diagnosing offenses from play to play, so it suffers. And then exactly what you said. The kids running it this year were not nearly the same as 2018, or really any of the Diaz years.

And before anyone comes at me with "But 750 yards bro", I get it. I'm not defending anything we saw this year. We SHOULD be able to dominate weaker teams every week with the talent we do have. But the DTs this year were not great, the linebackers are literally on milk cartons around the country, the Safety play has taken a complete nosedive since Quan left and we haven't been able to replicate that at all. So miss me with the scheme is garbage nonsense. It has holes, certainly. Every defense does, but the elite coaches mask those holes with really good football players. So what you've seen recently is a decline in talent, opponents having more film on the defense, and a guy running it who simply isn't nearly as good at is as his mentor. Manny also traditionally made FANTASTIC adjustments, mid-game and at the half.

Miami was 6th in the country in opponents PPG in the 2nd half in 2016.
39th in 2017
12th in 2018
…………...
71st this year. Average of 14.0 points allowed in the 2nd half of games this season.

Baker is simply a step down from Manny as a DC. Simple as that.

From 2016-2018, we played 39 games. We allowed over 6 YPP three (3) times.
In 2020, we played 11 games. We allowed over 6 YPP four (4) times. 'Nuff said.

The big difference I see with the defense recently is the way they come out and let the offense dictate what they want to do the first few possessions and then make adjustments. It’s great that you can make adjustments but you’re putting yourself in huge hole by pretty much allowing the opponent to score on their first few drives. It shouldn’t be 21-0 or 17-3 before the DC makes adjustments.

 

[JD08]

All I know is that we'd **** well better do something that Mack Brown can't easily figure out because we can't lose to UNC again.

DEs running past the QB.
DTs getting locked with O linemen.
LBs joining the DTs in getting locked with the O linemen.

That's got to stop. I don't really care how, just get it done. It's like when you have an employee that you've done everything you can to teach and show the right way and you give them one final task and it's finally their time to sink or swim.

 

[Golsen82]

Unicorn sighting.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Also, when you see someone say ‘it’s (just) football’, that’s a sign the speaker is clueless about what running a major program involves. these are complicated organizations and they need to be run effectively. especially at miami where the AD is useless, the HC is on his own. the top level of cfb is bulking up on significant resources for analytics, scouting, recruiting, planning and coaching support. A coach who thinks it’s ‘just football’ as if that means it’s simple or easy, is going to get embarrassed the way manny has.

even the pieces of the role that are said to be ‘just football’ - talent and coaching - require a lot of logistics and support. recruiting is a multi-year activity requiring program wide support, buy-in, data gathering, eval analysis, community relations and the like. And coaching includes detailed breakdown of film, opponents, players, then working back through game plans, and implementing through teaching / practice. This isn’t the 80s. You can say all that is easy but look at the resources Saban puts towards it and tel me why you can compete with a fraction of the resources and less talented resources on top of it all.

 

[DTP]

By every single metric, slugger. Pair the 2018 defense with the 2020 offense and kicking game and you're 12-0 in Charlotte.

Ohio State gave up 25 to a horrible Penn State team, 27 to an even worse Rutgers team and 35 to Indiana and they’re playing for the title. Alabama gave up 48 to Ole Miss and 46 to UF. They’re also playing for the title. No team shuts down every opponent in 2020.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Every year, offensive records are broken, then broken again the next year, then the next, then the next. Wash, rinse, repeat. This year, in the NFL, there were more rushing AND receiving touchdowns scored than in any season in the history of the league. Ever. More TDs of both kind in any season, and they happened in the same year. This ridiculous notion that teams should be pitching shutouts every week is baffling to me. Every rule is geared towards the offense. Defense doesn't win championships anymore, offense does with some selective defense. Ask Uncle Nick about it. The most defensively minded coach you can possibly imagine admitted as such this season. Do people realize that a total of 15 teams gave up fewer than 20 points per game this year? 15.

i have no idea who you’re responding to. is there anyone who said defense is supposed to ‘pitch shutouts’?

our exchange arose because you claimed UM ‘literally had a championship caliber defense’ in 2018. I disagreed. If from that you think that means I’m suggesting they should ‘pitch shutouts’ every week, then you may literally have a reading comprehension problem.

and the idea that defense doesn’t matter in a high scoring world is also so illogical as to be insane. as long as the rules say the winner is the team that scores more than its opponent, both offense and defense will matter greatly. the overall average scoring can go up or down, but you have to slow your opponent to give yourself the chance to put score them. We don’t have to compare average stats across eras because rules change. and even within a year, stats can be misleading depending on situation and opponent. but team dominance isn’t hard to see.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Ohio State gave up 25 to a horrible Penn State team, 27 to an even worse Rutgers team and 35 to Indiana and they’re playing for the title. Alabama gave up 48 to Ole Miss and 46 to UF. They’re also playing for the title. No team shuts down every opponent in 2020.

LSU in 2019 gave 37 points to Ole Miss, 38 to Vandy and both were awful. It happens in today's game.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

We have 1 bad defense performance in 2016, 2 bad in 2017 (and we collapsed in the 2nd quarter after the horrible Rosier interception that changed the momentum of the game, and 2 in 2018 (BC is debatable because Rosier was awful and we mailed it in against Wisconsin).

 

[Category69]

I'm hard on Bumker but Diaz is really the one that left us with a terrible LB squad. Still, guys we have ain't no worse than the guys teams like Cincy have. Getting the best out of what you got, finding ways to change it up, they failed to do that this year. The UNC game was an atrocity.

 

[1mg of Epi]

He isn’t walking away from that money. Diaz isn’t letting Miami off the hook when he is fired like Richt did when he walked away from his huge extension.

Richt quit. He wasn’t fired. He wasn’t owed any money.

 

[Invalid Username]

His scheme is the one that is trash, position coaches can only do so much.

Yeah the scheme is questionable. We were bailed out by JJ back at Safety to hide our miscues and mistakes. I love the aggressive approach but the gimmicky blitz concepts, lack of shutdown corners and **** poor linebacker play since 2017 has killed us.

 

[Hurracanes]

Richt quit. He wasn’t fired. He wasn’t owed any money.

Richt could have easily stayed and not let us off the hook of that great extension. Instead, he did what 99% of what the population wouldn’t do and release himself and the school from any obligation. **** out of here if you think he didn’t do Miami any favors.

 

[1mg of Epi]

Richt could have easily stayed and not let us off the hook of that great extension. Instead, he did what 99% of what the population wouldn’t do and release himself and the school from any obligation. **** out of here if you think he didn’t do Miami any favors.

You’re saying that he would’ve been fired if he didn’t leave? Or are you just saying he saved us from enduring a few more years of ineptitude by walking away from his contract and retiring?

If you’re suggesting the latter, then you’re 100% right and I agree w you. It is rare that people at that level are self aware enough to know when to call it quits.

 

[Hurracanes]

You’re saying that he would’ve been fired if he didn’t leave? Or are you just saying he saved us from enduring a few more years of ineptitude by walking away from his contract and retiring?

If you’re suggesting the latter, then you’re 100% right and I agree w you. It is rare that people at that level are self aware enough to know when to call it quits.

Please reread the conversation. The previous poster suggested, in a joke, that Diaz should resign. I responded there is no way he would walk away from millions like Richt did.

 

[407cane]

manny either needs to save his friend and take over play calling duties (why not, manny was an AMAZING DC and plenty of head coaches call plays on offesnse) or fire baker, no inbetween

 

[Trav]

If Manny does not replace Baker as DC then Manny has sealed His fate after next year as the next ex-head coach at UM. manny can’t win the biggest games with Baker at DC and without those big game wins he’ll be Mark Richt. And that wasn’t good enough.

I think Baker's gone. What Manny doesn't want to do is make it official and gave the position vacant while he's still trying to close on a few recruits/transfers. Not gonna make an announcement til he has his guy.

What I don't get is the who and why leaking all this nonsense about Baker being demoted to a position coach. That just makes no sense.

 

[filmcane]

I think Baker's gone. What Manny doesn't want to do is make it official and gave the position vacant while he's still trying to close on a few recruits/transfers. Not gonna make an announcement til he has his guy.

What I don't get is the who and why leaking all this nonsense about Baker being demoted to a position coach. That just makes no sense.

Agree on Manny and Baker. It’s starting to feel like the scenario you laid out might be happening.

bottom line is, if someone on your organization is not pulling their own weight, you have to cut them out. Baker hasn’t proven to be good at developing players, calling plays, inspiring players with emotion, etc.

At this point, there really is no factual or logical justification for keeping Baker around in any capacity except for perhaps an off the field job, and it just seems like he wouldn’t take that big of a step down in that big of a pay step down and eat all that crow.

Hopefully, we won’t have to wait too much longer to find out.

 

[Ericsoncane]

Nope. Kendrick Norton was the 1 technique tackle. He lined up between the center and guard and was tasked with eating blockers. RJ was three technique and was asked to shoot gaps and get in the backfield.

Without getting into a long discussion on scheme and technique, the major reason the defense fell flat this year after a solid four year run was poor DT play and the worst linebacker instincts I’ve ever seen. If you don’t have tackles that can hold the point and clog running lanes, they better be in the backfield every play. Our guys can’t do either.

And horrible safety tackling and corners giving up easy catches in zone

 

[filmcane]

And horrible safety tackling and corners giving up easy catches in zone

Yessir.

The entire D, from top to bottom, is fundamentally unsound.

Yes, there are specifics inside specific plays that "explain" why UNC ran for 550 yards, but the 30K foot view of it is this - we play with passion (usually), but we are undisciplined, largely unprepared, fundamentally unsound and often confused (especially in the 1st half).

I don't think I'm being overly negative or unfair. It's absolutely fixable. Manny, if he takes the right moves, could literally turn around our D and the team's fortunes, this offseason. He is the offseason king, afterall. But, he can't do that with Blake still on the dole, unless he takes one of these lower-paid off the field jobs.

Need a new DC, not a one year hold over plan, and at least win the Coastal.