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If Bama loses we are screwed

Number1CanesFan said:
Yes. That's why Miami could have been ranked #11. Miami has played more dominate games than BYU.

If BYU and Alabama both lose, the committee will move both of them down 1 spot keeping Alabama in at #10. That's the reason why Alabama moved up. The committee is guaranteeing the SEC runner-up is in.

As I wrote in another post in this thread, ND is out regardless of what happens on Saturday. It's going to come down to ND vs Miami. As coach Mario brilliantly said, "We're in. Head to head has to be the #1 comparison in any sport." It was so smart to put that out there. It's literally a bullet point for the committee. They can't dance around it in favor of ND. ND's best argument is having 2 better losses than Miami. That's it. They can't argue any other point. Oth teams are good. Both teams are playoff worthy. Miami owns the head to head. End of story.
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If Bama loses and moves back 1 spot, ND will be up to 9 and the H2H won't matter
 
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I view this as having virtually a 0% chance, but if you are a ********* and want to preserve hope for an absolute MIRACLE (water into wine type ****), I think you root (a) Bama win (or if they lose, lose by 100 so that we preserve an argument to jump Bama (good luck)), (b) BYU lose by 100, (c) Boise and Navy lose by 100 (ND beat Boise and Navy, would slightly hurt their strength of schedule), and (d) Duke and James Madison wins. In that scenario, you could have ND 10 and Miami 11 with no ACC team otherwise making it, pressuring the head to head to win out (optics of the teams being directly next to each other and the ACC being excluded if they don’t swap them as a sweetener; (a) and (b) alone could be enough I guess, but the more pressure, the better).
 
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canes518 said:
If Bama loses and moves back 1 spot, ND will be up to 9 and the H2H won't matter
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100% FALSE. That's not how it works. The committee compares teams in groups of 3 or 4.

ND, Miami, and Alabama will be in comparison. What Alabama does on Saturday is irrelevant. They are jn. That's what the committee did by moving them up. If Alabama loses, they move to #10.

If BYU wins, Miami and ND are out.

If BYU loses, Miami and ND will will be in a head to head comparison. Miami won the head to head. That has to be the #1 comparison point given both teams have the same record and 4 common opponents that Miami beat by a wider margin 3 of the 4. Miami is in with a BYU loss.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
100% FALSE. That's not how it works. The committee compares teams in groups of 3 or 4.

ND, Miami, and Alabama will be in comparison. What Alabama does on Saturday is irrelevant. They are jn. That's what the committee did by moving them up. If Alabama loses, they move to #10.

If BYU wins, Miami and ND are out.

If BYU loses, Miami and ND will will be in a head to head comparison. Miami won the head to head. That has to be the #1 comparison point given both teams have the same record and 4 common opponents that Miami beat by a wider margin 3 of the 4. Miami is in with a BYU loss.
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i agree that's how it should be. but we've been in the same comparative group of 4 with ND for 2 weeks and it hasn't mattered because they've felt there are enough teams between us that the H2H doesn't come into play. last week it was Bama and BYU. this week it's just BYU, which in their eyes is enough. so if Bama loses and drops to 10, next week Bama will be the buffer between us and ND the way BYU is now
 
At the end of the day what ****ed us, besides losing, was the demise of FSU, Fla and USF. We have only 1 ranked win. Those wins were really good early in the year when those teams were thought to be good. Now just another win.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
100% FALSE. That's not how it works. The committee compares teams in groups of 3 or 4.

ND, Miami, and Alabama will be in comparison. What Alabama does on Saturday is irrelevant. They are jn. That's what the committee did by moving them up. If Alabama loses, they move to #10.

If BYU wins, Miami and ND are out.

If BYU loses, Miami and ND will will be in a head to head comparison. Miami won the head to head. That has to be the #1 comparison point given both teams have the same record and 4 common opponents that Miami beat by a wider margin 3 of the 4. Miami is in with a BYU loss.
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So we are up against Mormons and Catholics together... tough
 
coffeecane said:
At the end of the day what ****ed us, besides losing, was the demise of FSU, Fla and USF. We have only 1 ranked win. Those wins were really good early in the year when those teams were thought to be good. Now just another win.
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FSU kept us out of the playoffs, their awful record in ACC play cost us the tiebreaker vs duke and had they beat UVA we would be playing in the ACC champ as well....
 
canes518 said:
i agree that's how it should be. but we've been in the same comparative group of 4 with ND for 2 weeks and it hasn't mattered because they've felt there are enough teams between us that the H2H doesn't come into play. last week it was Bama and BYU. this week it's just BYU, which in their eyes is enough. so if Bama loses and drops to 10, next week Bama will be the buffer between us and ND the way BYU is now
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Where do you get the idea that the comparative group is 4? Could be a comparative group of 3. By definition, one thing it won’t be is a comparative group smaller than 2. So that’s where putting Miami and ND next to each other would force the committee’s hand.
 
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Not true if bama and BYu lose we are in. If anyone is to win we want bama over byu so that we can jumpy them and be sitting at 11 next to ND at 10 and then they have a choice to make either flip us. Or we the tone for schools to not schedule tough OOC games.
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
Where do you get the idea that the comparative group is 4? Could be a comparative group of 3. By definition, one thing it won’t be is a comparative group smaller than 2. So that’s where putting Miami and ND next to each other would force the committee’s hand.
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This describes their voting process
 
canes518 said:

This describes their voting process
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yes- and I think their argument was that we were so far apart on the metrics that with ND at 9 and us at 12, they didn’t have to compare H2H because other factors were in play at the time . With ND at 10 and Miami at 11 (assuming BYU loses) then we get compared being “back to back” (committees words)
 
The committee won’t swap Miami and ND…. Have to accept that. Alabama has to outright get destroyed for Miami to get in (plus a BYU loss). It’s over
 
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Bearly said:
The committee won’t swap Miami and ND…. Have to accept that. Alabama has to outright get destroyed for Miami to get in (plus a BYU loss). It’s over
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No, Bama has to win, along with a BYU loss.

People have to recognize what happened tonight. I’m not blaming anyone for misunderstanding, though, because all of this is convoluted as ****.

We need ND to stay 10, while we move up to 11. How do we ensure that? BYU loss and Bama win. If it’s us vs. them, with no daylight separating our two teams, they will have to put us in over them.

Only reason it didn’t happen already is because that would have required us moving ahead of BYU, which is unfair to them.
 
Genghis Cane said:
No, Bama has to win, along with a BYU loss.

People have to recognize what happened tonight. I’m not blaming anyone for misunderstanding, though, because all of this is convoluted as ****.

We need ND to stay 10, while we move up to 11. How do we ensure that? BYU loss and Bama win. If it’s us vs. them, with no daylight separating our two teams, they will have to put us in over them.

Only reason it didn’t happen already is because that would have required us moving ahead of BYU, which is unfair to them.
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It is convoluted, and feels like they’re (the committee) making **** up as they go along, but will hope those (a bama win, and a byu loss) are the results, to see what the committee ultimately decides.
 
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