I spoke with a current player.

[NE Canes]

I agree. But I wonder from a college kid's perspective, how they can learn a new offensive system each year. I'm fairly confident Gattis is gone, but I really hope Mario nails the next hire and we have some stability for at least 2 and hopefully 3+ years with OC. Hire, fire, repeat isn't sustainable.

I agree. Generally, it takes more than a year to put in a new offense and running the same system for multiple years is key. But at the same time others have done it. Of course it also depends on the players you have, how similar to other systems, etc.

 

[Marcelo2988]

Michigan recruited football smarts? they didnt do well w gattis either

They went to the playoffs man lol

Dude is an awful fit here and needs to go, but Michigan did well under Gattis.

If they didn't, they wouldn't have made the playoffs

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

OC part is obviously a huge issue and the main focal point.

Nice to hear on S&C, hopefully that leads to less injuries next season; but it’ll continue to be a topic of discussion if we see the sheer number we saw this year.

Structure and order is expected and necessary. If you think Mario is harsh, you deserve Manny and 7-5 results. Part of the reason we sucked this year was because the rot in this roster refused to put in the work necessary. We would have gone 7-5 under Manny this year, but what good would that do for our future? Probably end with a recruiting class outside the Top 20 too.

Dumb is another way of saying they lacked discipline and refused to listen to instructions.

 

[hoops156]

OC part is obviously a huge issue and the main focal point.

Nice to hear on S&C, hopefully that leads to less injuries next season; but it’ll continue to be a topic of discussion if we see the sheer number we saw this year.

Structure and order is expected and necessary. If you think Mario is harsh, you deserve Manny and 7-5 results. Part of the reason we sucked this year was because the rot in this roster refused to put in the work necessary. Dumb is another way of saying they lacked discipline and refused to listen to instructions.

lol coaching was rotten too.

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

lol coaching was rotten too.

Didn’t say it wasn’t. Pick and choose your words though.

Reading comprehension isn’t strong here.

 

[hoops156]

They went to the playoffs man lol

Dude is an awful fit here and needs to go, but Michigan did well under Gattis.

If they didn't, they wouldn't have made the playoffs

Michigan did not do well under gattis. they literally sucked on offense w gattis as sole OC. they hired a co-OC and a new QBC who took over gattis job his last year there.

 

[BS85]

They went to the playoffs man lol

Dude is an awful fit here and needs to go, but Michigan did well under Gattis.

If they didn't, they wouldn't have made the playoffs

Gattis didn't call plays so this is incorrect

 

[Sugarcane521]

I hope people on CIS realize that elite recruits that want to be millionaires thrive off the "drill sergeant" approach and welcome it

 

[Kempo Cane]

what better days if the bum of an OC is still here? the offense will always be a **** show w gattis calling the show

Maybe you should sit this one out and let the grownups do there job, just a thought!

 

[hoops156]

Maybe you should sit this one out and let the grownups do there job, just a thought!

their*

maybe its a message board and you can just ignore my posts if you dont care to read them

 

[Kempo Cane]

their*

maybe its a message board and you can just ignore my posts if you dont care to read them

Maybe if you don't like mine you can do the same...Ace

 

[Bender]

I can only repeat myself, we're done if Gattis is still here.

 

[305407cane]

So was Butch's to a degree...

Yup. Except now the players are legally getting paid. So there shouldn’t be any issue

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Butch seemed like he was heavily involved in all aspects of the program but to a reasonable degree where he didn’t forget that even with all the heavy structure, players still had to play with some looseness alongside the discipline.

Butch let some of the other coaches be the "heavies".

 

[Tru C]

Thanks for the info. Mario needs to win more games and make staff corrections. Thanks

 

[jsy]

Nothing earth-shaking, but this place is pretty slow now anyways. This player is an upperclassmen and was on Manny's teams too. Mature kid.

In no particular order:

• He said that the guys that left had to leave. We've heard that a lot. Still hard for me to digest that 1/5 of the roster had to go.
• He was "surprised" that Darrell Jackson left. He said his loss will hurt.
• He said that the team would have won more games with Manny this season, but that long term, the team is better off with Mario.
• I asked him what he thought of Mario. He said Mario is a "good dude" and "focused." And that he knows how he wants to handle things at this stage of his life. It sounds as if Mario is far more structured than Manny. No surprise there. But I did sense a little reservation re: his thoughts on Mario. Personally, I think Mario may want to dial down the drill sergeant routine, at least once he gets his fingerprints on the roster. I think that'll come with time, particularly when Mario's upper-classmen can teach the under-classmen how to do things.
• He mentioned the injuries as a wild card this year. To my surprise, since I doubt many college-aged kids are familiar with this, he mentioned that this was not S&C but rather "bone" injuries (as he put it). That is a topic I don't want to discuss again but I'm pleased to hear that.
• He said that there are some "good" rooms and some "bad rooms." I mentioned I thought TE was a good room and he agreed and said Arroyo is a beast.
• He mentioned that Will has had 4 offensive coordinators in 5 years.
• That of course led into the topic of our favorite OC.
  • I told him that I didn't think Gattis did a good job of putting pressure on the defense. Little to no tempo. The "check with me" permitted the defense time to take a breather and assess the play. And that the lack of spacing precluded a lot of 1-on-1 opportunities. (I probably should have mentioned the lack of a deep ball too!)
  • He said that that is kind of what he thought early in the season too, but that he spent time in the room and didn't know what else Gattis could have done.
  • He said that he was able to understand what Gattis was conveying but the offense in general wasn't able to. Things were simplified but not understood.
  • He said that day 1 stuff was not understood well into the season. Like foundational stuff.
  • He said we ran a lot of the same stuff we did with Lashlee but with a different terminology but kids couldn't get it. Is this a result of having so much turnover in the offensive staff??
  • He suggested maybe Gattis' failed in regard to communication-although he understood it. Some coaches/individuals have a way of connecting with 18-22 year old kids. It doesn't sound like Gattis was able to connect with the majority of the team.
  • So, apparently, we are not talented on offense and dumb. Luckily, we're no longer broke. Because broke, dumb, and bad would be a bad combination.

That's all I got.

Reading between the lines
Sounds like u spoke to Flagg
It fits the narrative Mario has created and is pushing
Which is the players are too jag
And it’s not the coaching
Which is true I rarely saw any offensive player win 1 V 1 battles
Also furthe makes me believe we’re riding with gattis
Good thing is gattis only had a 2 yr contract so this is money year for him so hopefully he improves

 

[pyhooya]

He said we ran a lot of the same stuff we did with Lashlee

 

[423Hurricane]

Mario would seem drill Sargent like compared to I just wanna be liked Manny. Gatass may have run the same plays but as many have stated, he has no feel for the game. 9 straight quarters without a TD - nuff said.

 

[rangerbrother305]

So, do the posters of CIS think this is a normal type transition from what we've heard to be a "player's coach/best friend" like Manny to a more strict disciplinarian coach like Mario seems to be? I have ZERO inside information or sources. Absolutely none. All I can pull from is my personal time in the military, both in basic and in SMU (Special Mission Units) type units, and it sounds very similar to what you have described. When we first arrived the drill sergeants hounded us relentlessly. It didn't matter what happened everyone was getting punished and it was usually physical in nature ( a smoking to those who are familiar or who may have served). Some people didn't make it. But, once we were there for a while the drills backed off as we began to learn what was expected of us and leaders began to emerge and took charge within the trainee ranks. We began to police ourselves and put in the necessary work to perform or accomplish whatever task was assigned to us. Like it seems you explained in your post, we also had individuals who just couldn't seem to "pick up" the material no matter how dumbed downed (Barney styled) they presented it.

Again, this is not an apples to apples comparison but it seems to be relatable? There were drill sergeants (coaches in this scenario) that could explain everything down to the level of the lowest common denominator (dumb asses) and those that couldn't. Didn't mean they were terrible at their jobs but more simply that maybe they were best suited in another role. There were also trainees that no matter how hard the drills tried or pushed, they just weren't going to be able to keep up or assimilate. Individuals (trainees, aka players) who by natural ability, or learned ability, eventually came to the front and set the standard that the rest would follow. Is this maybe part of what is being experienced now? Again, I have no idea of the day to day within the program.

Note: I think Gattis should be gone because his scheme doesn't seem to fit and he does not seem to be able to scheme around deficient position groups or call plays in a way that sets up plays for later on in the game. And the recruiting from what we know or have been told by CIS is less than average. Plus, from what we hear, he's an *******. I guess time will tell on this matter.....

I will now prepare myself to annihilated by CIS... LOL

A SMU guy?

 

[WestGA'Cane]

Nothing earth-shaking, but this place is pretty slow now anyways. This player is an upperclassmen and was on Manny's teams too. Mature kid.

In no particular order:

• He said that the guys that left had to leave. We've heard that a lot. Still hard for me to digest that 1/5 of the roster had to go.
• He was "surprised" that Darrell Jackson left. He said his loss will hurt.
• He said that the team would have won more games with Manny this season, but that long term, the team is better off with Mario.
• I asked him what he thought of Mario. He said Mario is a "good dude" and "focused." And that he knows how he wants to handle things at this stage of his life. It sounds as if Mario is far more structured than Manny. No surprise there. But I did sense a little reservation re: his thoughts on Mario. Personally, I think Mario may want to dial down the drill sergeant routine, at least once he gets his fingerprints on the roster. I think that'll come with time, particularly when Mario's upper-classmen can teach the under-classmen how to do things.
• He mentioned the injuries as a wild card this year. To my surprise, since I doubt many college-aged kids are familiar with this, he mentioned that this was not S&C but rather "bone" injuries (as he put it). That is a topic I don't want to discuss again but I'm pleased to hear that.
• He said that there are some "good" rooms and some "bad rooms." I mentioned I thought TE was a good room and he agreed and said Arroyo is a beast.
• He mentioned that Will has had 4 offensive coordinators in 5 years.
• That of course led into the topic of our favorite OC.
  • I told him that I didn't think Gattis did a good job of putting pressure on the defense. Little to no tempo. The "check with me" permitted the defense time to take a breather and assess the play. And that the lack of spacing precluded a lot of 1-on-1 opportunities. (I probably should have mentioned the lack of a deep ball too!)
  • He said that that is kind of what he thought early in the season too, but that he spent time in the room and didn't know what else Gattis could have done.
  • He said that he was able to understand what Gattis was conveying but the offense in general wasn't able to. Things were simplified but not understood.
  • He said that day 1 stuff was not understood well into the season. Like foundational stuff.
  • He said we ran a lot of the same stuff we did with Lashlee but with a different terminology but kids couldn't get it. Is this a result of having so much turnover in the offensive staff??
  • He suggested maybe Gattis' failed in regard to communication-although he understood it. Some coaches/individuals have a way of connecting with 18-22 year old kids. It doesn't sound like Gattis was able to connect with the majority of the team.
  • So, apparently, we are not talented on offense and dumb. Luckily, we're no longer broke. Because broke, dumb, and bad would be a bad combination.

That's all I got.

Thanks Alex; good stuff. May have a pretty good idea who your source is, but I'll keep it to myself.