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I keep hearing how Miami can't complete with the top NCAA programs.

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Mike Thot said:
Serious question...we have 2 bit players like this on the periphery of this type of behavior just dying to spill their guts for a tiny bit of dap on a message board (no offense of course)...there is no way ex-players, friends of ex-players, girlfriends of ex-players wouldn't be showing up everywhere for a little payola to tell their story.
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Don’t understand what you’re asking.

Maybe rephrase.
 
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Can we compete with the very top programs like Clemson and Bama - NO just don't have the money to cheat along with the money a state university has. Can we complete with the other top 20 programs in the country like Michigan , UF ect - Yes but it is harder for a small private school to of coarse but if we have a great product on the field with good coaches we can . So the OP is both wrong and right.
 
Here’s one thing I wonder..hundreds of elite players have probably been paid over the last decade. Suppose one had a crisis of conscious, or even better decided to “document” the process with an eye on exposing it later on. Someone who didn’t care about ruining his reputation if he were to go pro or alumni recriminations. I am surprised that this had not happened yet.

If I recall correctly, it was a disgruntled player that brought down SMU. What if there was someone similar with Alabama or Texas? Someone with videos of the cash in clothes that come back from the dry cleaners, someone with videos of the $500 handshakes and the bagmen running about? In today’s era, it just seems like a matter of time before someone exposes this concretely and brings the entire thing crashing down.
 
Mike Thot said:
If just armed with knowledge gleaned from reading this board one might think the U was up against all the other second tier schools and the big bad elite programs that are so untouchable they actively provide $$$$ and steroids to their prospects while the NCAA watches to make certain the needles are disposed of properly.

This is folklore my friends.
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Programs have always dropped bags, and always will. And big programs with deep pocketed boosters have always skirted rules, and always will. There’s no debate about this.

It doesn’t matter. So there’s a handful of recruits we aren’t in the market for... so what.

Miami needs to have above average evaluators, recruiters and schemers. That will attract enough talent.
 
D RevLee said:
The University does not financially support the athletic department like it used to. They try to sell Miami as an academic school to students first, football second. Other schools like Alabama,Texas, Clemson sell football first and they pump money into the program. That's fact
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Untrue.

So untrue as to be a lie.
 
GojiraCane said:
Here’s one thing I wonder..hundreds of elite players have probably been paid over the last decade. Suppose one had a crisis of conscious, or even better decided to “document” the process with an eye on exposing it later on. Someone who didn’t care about ruining his reputation if he were to go pro or alumni recriminations. I am surprised that this had not happened yet.

If I recall correctly, it was a disgruntled player that brought down SMU. What if there was someone similar with Alabama or Texas? Someone with videos of the cash in clothes that come back from the dry cleaners, someone with videos of the $500 handshakes and the bagmen running about? In today’s era, it just seems like a matter of time before someone exposes this concretely and brings the entire thing crashing down.
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The bag man is smart enough to not leave a trail. And when he isn’t, nothing comes of it. Think L. Tunstil
 
It's cumulative:

- Miami has minimal bag game and even when Miami gets boosters to help, South Florida provides flashy Nevin types, not Joe Bob putting a second mortgage on the double-wide for the $10,000 needed to close the deal.

- If the latest Hernandez ruling from last night isn't evidence enough, just remember the never ending cloud that Marky Mark Emmert and his NCAA Funky Bunch inflicted on Miami. Fact is, Emmert turned down a lucrative Vanderbilt presidency offer (highest paid university president in the country) because he is at his core a big state school supporter and schools like Miami are anathema to him. The NCAA doesn't have a formal oversight program, they pick and choose who the winners and losers are by fiat. Until Emmert is gone (he has been there since 2010), Miami is at a compliance disadvantage

- Miami's athletic budget is roughly half a top competitor school's budget:

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports...ave-hyde-commentary-1205-20141204-column.html

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

This means not having the money to hire "consultants" nutritionists, "tutors" and the like. Don't forget the built in advantage of a state university's taxpayers. Even when there is no allocation as indicated in the USA Today link, you get the advantages of real-property maintenance (Doak Campbell has classrooms, remember) and a state retirement system many in athletic department's can participate in...Miami has to fund this all itself. Sure ACC network $$$ will help, but F$U, Clemson, VT, etc., are getting the increase too...The B1G and SEC Network payouts will also go up in the out years.

Have $600 MILLION lying around for athletics? 'Bama does:

https://www.cbs42.com/sports/local-...-director-to-hold-press-conference/1375470007

Sure, Miami may be able to win like the Finns did for the first couple of months of the Winter War against the Soviet Union, but eventually the combination of competitors who can spend more, not fear the NCAA, and have much larger alumni bases, especially in the Southeast, doesn't make for a fair fight.
 
1mg of Epi said:
The bag man is smart enough to not leave a trail. And when he isn’t, nothing comes of it. Think L. Tunstil
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Oh, I agree. But bag men are not infallible, and someone can make a mistake. But more specifically, I’m thinking of what another poster said about Clemson letting people come into the locker room and pay players after the game. So here’s a scenario IF this were true:

1) Kelly Bryant and/or supporting teammates get this in camera with a smart phone. The celebration. The money.

2) When Dabo plans to demote Kelly, his QB responds, “You will not. I start, or I send this out to ESPN. I’ll lose eligibility, but so will everyone else. And you’ll have a decade long show cause.”
 
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CaneFan79 said:
It's cumulative:

- Miami has minimal bag game and even when Miami gets boosters to help, South Florida provides flashy Nevin types, not Joe Bob putting a second mortgage on the double-wide for the $10,000 needed to close the deal.

- If the latest Hernandez ruling from last night isn't evidence enough, just remember the never ending cloud that Marky Mark Emmert and his NCAA Funky Bunch inflicted on Miami. Fact is, Emmert turned down a lucrative Vanderbilt presidency offer (highest paid university president in the country) because he is at his core a big state school supporter and schools like Miami are anathema to him. The NCAA doesn't have a formal oversight program, they pick and choose who the winners and losers are by fiat. Until Emmert is gone (he has been there since 2010), Miami is at a compliance disadvantage

- Miami's athletic budget is roughly half a top competitor school's budget:

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports...ave-hyde-commentary-1205-20141204-column.html

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

This means not having the money to hire "consultants" nutritionists, "tutors" and the like. Don't forget the built in advantage of a state university's taxpayers. Even when there is no allocation as indicated in the USA Today link, you get the advantages of real-property maintenance (Doak Campbell has classrooms, remember) and a state retirement system many in athletic department's can participate in...Miami has to fund this all itself. Sure ACC network $$$ will help, but F$U, Clemson, VT, etc., are getting the increase too...The B1G and SEC Network payouts will also go up in the out years.

Have $600 MILLION lying around for athletics? 'Bama does:

https://www.cbs42.com/sports/local-...-director-to-hold-press-conference/1375470007

Sure, Miami may be able to win like the Finns did for the first couple of months of the Winter War against the Soviet Union, but eventually the combination of competitors who can spend more, not fear the NCAA, and have much larger alumni bases, especially in the Southeast, doesn't make for a fair fight.
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One thing though...Alabama has possibly the highest operating costs in college football, and they have accrued $225M in debt that is due over the next 28 years.
 
Miami can take care of players, i dont know if they can take care of players families to the extent SEC schools do. Recruit the parents
 
1mg of Epi said:
Programs have always dropped bags, and always will. And big programs with deep pocketed boosters have always skirted rules, and always will. There’s no debate about this.

It doesn’t matter. So there’s a handful of recruits we aren’t in the market for... so what.

Miami needs to have above average evaluators, recruiters and schemers. That will attract enough talent.
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Exactly. There’s always been bags, cheating, and shadiness in sports, and it’s something we’ve always been up against. Still found a way to secure 5 (really 6) rings when FSU just mustered up their ******* third just recently. Clemson had a whopping 1 until Dabo righted that ship recently. It comes down to coaches. Once the right regime is in place, we’ll have another fist full of rings to punch those bags with.
 
GojiraCane said:
One thing though...Alabama has possibly the highest operating costs in college football, and they have accrued $225M in debt that is due over the next 28 years.
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From the Bloomberg article which mentioned that figure:

"For some schools, millions in TV money can support a high level of debt service. That includes the University of Alabama, which plays Clemson for the national championship on Monday. The Crimson Tide owes $225 million over the next 28 years."

So if 'Bama isn't on TV, it becomes a problem, but right now ESPN is the 'Bama News Network. And this highlights another advantage: Alabama is too big to fail and the State of Alabama can bail them out...Like Fannie and Freddie, it's the perception of government backing that counts, so debt financing is easy.
 
Mike Thot said:
You mean this blurb that the chicken littles are running with:
"Privately, UM people from the past two regimes said they can’t get a few of the top players who are inclined to take illegal payments in the corrupt world of college athletics. "

He also mentions, much more substantively btw.."Unlike the 1980s, top players can go to schools that were at one time lower profile (like UCF) and know they will be on TV a lot. That has leveled the field in some ways. " and "But here’s the biggest challenge for Diaz: Winning games begets winning in recruiting. And UM hasn’t done enough winning for 15 years. "

I don't give a flying you know what what the past 2 regimes said about illegal payments. The past 2 regimes were ******* losers and ******* losers are always looking for ways to deflect. Especially ways that simply cannot be verified.

I promise that all things equal the past two regimes would have had a very hard time competing with top schools anyway.
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That's the point, they aren't equal. How about this? Click the vid below, skip to 1:28, and listen to what fcking Eric ****erson has to say. You think he's lying about it? Or what, that's just something that happened that one time but nobody does it anymore?

It is what it is and we need to deal with it and win anyway, but pretending like it doesn't happen is just silly.

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pumbaa said:
Of course they can't be verified, but if there is enough smoke and enough ********* then why have there never been investigations into Bama. LSU, UGA, and others that made it clear as day what is going on.

Bama with the deer antler spray - nothing happens
5 SEC teams have players on an agents payroll with ledger balances and names - nothing happens (broke by the same Yahoo reporter that broke Nevin's Miami story)
Bama players paid for autographs on video - nothing happens,
Ole Miss gets hit with sanctions - overturned after a year and the other teams that paid Leo Lewis including Miss St. who admitted to it had all their names redacted in the report.
Tunsill admits on live tv at the NFL draft he was paid by coaches - nothing happens until Ole Miss gets hit 2 years after when Freeze was calling hookers.
Bama caught paying players and illegal contact with recruits - allowed to fire a single dline coach to fix it (Tressell gets a 5 year no show clause at OSU)
So when the stories and smoke mount up, its more than *********.
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Yea I am good friends with a guy and his brother was a starter for an SEC school in basketball and he told me that his brother got paid thousands of dollars a week during the season by boosters and this was at an SEC basketball program that sucked so I can only imagine what the stud football players at Bama get paid.
 
Ummmm, then there’s this...looks like a very well to do family so I’m sure it’s legit???
 

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kryptonite said:
That's the point, they aren't equal. How about this? Click the vid below, skip to 1:28, and listen to what fcking Eric ****erson has to say. You think he's lying about it? Or what, that's just something that happened that one time but nobody does it anymore?

It is what it is and we need to deal with it and win anyway, but pretending like it doesn't happen is just silly.

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With all due respect the OP isn't debating if it happens or not it's debating whether or not the U can compete with the best of the best without having as deep of pockets. The U won 5 rings after ED was getting his bags....doesn't that mean that we can?
 
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GojiraCane said:
Oh, I agree. But bag men are not infallible, and someone can make a mistake. But more specifically, I’m thinking of what another poster said about Clemson letting people come into the locker room and pay players after the game. So here’s a scenario IF this were true:

1) Kelly Bryant and/or supporting teammates get this in camera with a smart phone. The celebration. The money.

2) When Dabo plans to demote Kelly, his QB responds, “You will not. I start, or I send this out to ESPN. I’ll lose eligibility, but so will everyone else. And you’ll have a decade long show cause.”
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I remember reading that too... but I think the poster said that was back in the day?? Maybe I’m wrong tho.

I gotta think tho in 2019 things are more discreet. Especially at big schools with national media coverage. So yea dudes get paid, and yea sometimes they get paid a lot, but it ain’t in such a way that a ****ed of player would have evidence to bring the whole thing crashing down.

And if he did... like laremy tunsill, nothing happens anyway.
 

With all due respect the OP isn't debating if it happens or not it's debating whether or not the U can compete with the best of the best without having as deep of pockets. The U won 5 rings after ED was getting his bags....doesn't that mean that we can?[/QUOTE]


With all due respect the OP literally said the idea that schools provide money was folklore. And I quote:

"...they actively provide $$$$ and steroids to their prospects..."

and

"...This is folklore my friends."
 
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