I have a Question on "Verbal Offers".....

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whas the difference between a verbal offer and a written offer?? both are offers correct? Is it because a verbal offer is not commitable? and I see alot of analyst use the word "Commitable Offer" too many times... why give out non-commitable offers when you really dont want that recruit? is it a back up type thing? can someone please explain...thanks
 
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A verbal is something schools tell kids they have before they can give out legit written offers on 1 Sept of their junior year in HS.

That date could have changed so maybe someone can clarify.

Schools like Alabama give out conditional offers because Saban wants them to camp so he can see them in person.
 
Verbal offers are a way of communicating to a kid that you are interested in them. Really, the written offers are a way to do that too, as neither binds anyone to anything.
 
Some people just honestly think they are offered when they are not. I know some of our players thought Missouri was heavily interested in them when they got mail from them everyday. Missouri never even came down to see us once. These kids have never been through a process like this. There is no training course or prep class, and alot of times the coaches will say something and it will be taken the other way. Usually a non-commitable offer is a coach offering a half scholarship or something where they would still have to pay tuition. They usually do that now so that it could be something where if they keep working hard they can give them the full scholarship.
 
A verbal is something schools tell kids they have before they can give out legit written offers on 1 Sept of their junior year in HS.

That date could have changed so maybe someone can clarify.

Schools like Alabama give out conditional offers because Saban wants them to camp so he can see them in person.

thanks bro....I just needed some clarification, and wonder if Holcy fell into this trap...
 
Verbal is what it is....its an offer done verbally whether to a coach or a player.
example:
Coach comes by YMCA High school, sees a prospect run drills and compete. Goes up to coach after practice and says i'm offering Junebug Junebug a scholarship to play @ Everest College. What? Your sitting at home aint doing nothing..come down to Everest college.

* Coach could go tell player he has a schollie to Everest, kid might even commit. But the offer could not be committable it isnt in writing, and their is no sign off to it.

Written Offers for the most part are committable.
These usually come in the mail, are hand written and signed by hc's or assistant coaches.

Schools give out these non committable verbal offers in my opinion to show the prospect a "legit" interest there, and maybe to keep up with the joneses(other schools that may be offering). I think some of our assistants go rogue in this field wayyy to much for my liking under Golden, there's literally one instance of this every year.
Bama offers **** near everybody they can,....they have leverage, and most kids dont even care they just want to be able to say they got an offer from "Bama".
With us it just looks like bad p.r. to me.....i dont think they've develop the art of the slow-play just yet...and they just go gung ho..which in turn ends up with situations liek Holcy.
 
I can basically call a kid and say he's verbally offered but really the only way to know for sure that you're offered is when you receive the hand written letter from the school, not the coaches that you're offered a scholarship for the University. Also to add to what Thread said, i think its 1 Sept of their senior year for sure
 
Verbal is what it is....its an offer done verbally whether to a coach or a player.
example:
Coach comes by YMCA High school, sees a prospect run drills and compete. Goes up to coach after practice and says i'm offering Junebug Junebug a scholarship to play @ Everest College. What? Your sitting at home aint doing nothing..come down to Everest college.

* Coach could go tell player he has a schollie to Everest, kid might even commit. But the offer could not be committable it isnt in writing, and their is no sign off to it.

Written Offers for the most part are committable.
These usually come in the mail, are hand written and signed by hc's or assistant coaches.

Schools give out these non committable verbal offers in my opinion to show the prospect a "legit" interest there, and maybe to keep up with the joneses(other schools that may be offering). I think some of our assistants go rogue in this field wayyy to much for my liking under Golden, there's literally one instance of this every year.
Bama offers **** near everybody they can,....they have leverage, and most kids dont even care they just want to be able to say they got an offer from "Bama".
With us it just looks like bad p.r. to me.....i dont think they've develop the art of the slow-play just yet...and they just go gung ho..which in turn ends up with situations liek Holcy.

Yeah but even the written offer doesn't mean **** come NSD if they don't get the paperwork to fax in.

Holcy wanted to play wide receiver and UM wanted him as a tight end. I don't think the offer wasn't committable, it just wasn't committable as a wide receiver.
 
Verbal is what it is....its an offer done verbally whether to a coach or a player.
example:
Coach comes by YMCA High school, sees a prospect run drills and compete. Goes up to coach after practice and says i'm offering Junebug Junebug a scholarship to play @ Everest College. What? Your sitting at home aint doing nothing..come down to Everest college.

* Coach could go tell player he has a schollie to Everest, kid might even commit. But the offer could not be committable it isnt in writing, and their is no sign off to it.

Written Offers for the most part are committable.
These usually come in the mail, are hand written and signed by hc's or assistant coaches.

Schools give out these non committable verbal offers in my opinion to show the prospect a "legit" interest there, and maybe to keep up with the joneses(other schools that may be offering). I think some of our assistants go rogue in this field wayyy to much for my liking under Golden, there's literally one instance of this every year.
Bama offers **** near everybody they can,....they have leverage, and most kids dont even care they just want to be able to say they got an offer from "Bama".
With us it just looks like bad p.r. to me.....i dont think they've develop the art of the slow-play just yet...and they just go gung ho..which in turn ends up with situations liek Holcy.

Yeah but even the written offer doesn't mean **** come NSD if they don't get the paperwork to fax in.

Holcy wanted to play wide receiver and UM wanted him as a tight end. I don't think the offer wasn't committable, it just wasn't committable as a wide receiver.

i think so also...it was as TE but not at WR...i think they need to rid themselves of Verbal offers, cause as you can see kids commit on verbal offers and its killing them when they later find out it wasnt a actual offer....
 
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Verbal is what it is....its an offer done verbally whether to a coach or a player.
example:
Coach comes by YMCA High school, sees a prospect run drills and compete. Goes up to coach after practice and says i'm offering Junebug Junebug a scholarship to play @ Everest College. What? Your sitting at home aint doing nothing..come down to Everest college.

* Coach could go tell player he has a schollie to Everest, kid might even commit. But the offer could not be committable it isnt in writing, and their is no sign off to it.

Written Offers for the most part are committable.
These usually come in the mail, are hand written and signed by hc's or assistant coaches.

Schools give out these non committable verbal offers in my opinion to show the prospect a "legit" interest there, and maybe to keep up with the joneses(other schools that may be offering). I think some of our assistants go rogue in this field wayyy to much for my liking under Golden, there's literally one instance of this every year.
Bama offers **** near everybody they can,....they have leverage, and most kids dont even care they just want to be able to say they got an offer from "Bama".
With us it just looks like bad p.r. to me.....i dont think they've develop the art of the slow-play just yet...and they just go gung ho..which in turn ends up with situations liek Holcy.

Yeah but even the written offer doesn't mean **** come NSD if they don't get the paperwork to fax in.

Holcy wanted to play wide receiver and UM wanted him as a tight end. I don't think the offer wasn't committable, it just wasn't committable as a wide receiver.

Oh i know that but @ least with a written offer there is actual "proof" of that offer, which could put egg all over the face of a coach. Verbally its he said she said, and what we got with Holcy, the kid from NW that played db that comitted to us, and others.
 
Verbal is what it is....its an offer done verbally whether to a coach or a player.
example:
Coach comes by YMCA High school, sees a prospect run drills and compete. Goes up to coach after practice and says i'm offering Junebug Junebug a scholarship to play @ Everest College. What? Your sitting at home aint doing nothing..come down to Everest college.

* Coach could go tell player he has a schollie to Everest, kid might even commit. But the offer could not be committable it isnt in writing, and their is no sign off to it.

Written Offers for the most part are committable.
These usually come in the mail, are hand written and signed by hc's or assistant coaches.

Schools give out these non committable verbal offers in my opinion to show the prospect a "legit" interest there, and maybe to keep up with the joneses(other schools that may be offering). I think some of our assistants go rogue in this field wayyy to much for my liking under Golden, there's literally one instance of this every year.
Bama offers **** near everybody they can,....they have leverage, and most kids dont even care they just want to be able to say they got an offer from "Bama".
With us it just looks like bad p.r. to me.....i dont think they've develop the art of the slow-play just yet...and they just go gung ho..which in turn ends up with situations liek Holcy.

Yeah but even the written offer doesn't mean **** come NSD if they don't get the paperwork to fax in.

Holcy wanted to play wide receiver and UM wanted him as a tight end. I don't think the offer wasn't committable, it just wasn't committable as a wide receiver.

That makes the most sense
 
Actually, "verbal" is a poor choice of words because although it sometimes can mean spoken rather than written, another meaning of verbal is simply using words, than an other means of expression.

Since it is spoken, a better choice would be "oral."

As many of you know, oral is the best choice....nothing beats oral.
 
good news… the unions/federal government will insure that every offer is a four year deal with a pension. Every kid will get a salary, car and an HR rep to insure they are treated like flowers. I can't wait to see the law suite's issued for coaches raising their voices in practice. Heaven forbid a union rep witnesses a union member struggle with weights that are to heavy. We will all become fans of soccer and rugby.
 
good news… the unions/federal government will insure that every offer is a four year deal with a pension. Every kid will get a salary, car and an HR rep to insure they are treated like flowers. I can't wait to see the law suite's issued for coaches raising their voices in practice. Heaven forbid a union rep witnesses a union member struggle with weights that are to heavy. We will all become fans of soccer and rugby.
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good news… the unions/federal government will insure that every offer is a four year deal with a pension. Every kid will get a salary, car and an HR rep to insure they are treated like flowers. I can't wait to see the law suite's issued for coaches raising their voices in practice. Heaven forbid a union rep witnesses a union member struggle with weights that are to heavy. We will all become fans of soccer and rugby.
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It's obvious the lefties, progressives and libs are after a manly sport like football. They've been attacking pro football for a while now and now they've found a way to undercut college football. If allowed to stand, and spread to other schools (which it will) you'll have disgruntled players calling for a strike right before a big rivalry game. The schools will pay all the money to refund ticket money, the other money invested will be lost, the TV contracts will be violated, Corso and crew will have to buy some last minute plane tickets to another venue, and they'll be so unprepared they won't even have those mascot heads or whatever it is they wear to pick that days game. It will be a fiasco.

A player will get redshirted, and file a union grievance. An arbitrator will decide if a kid who committed and wants to back out two months after signing day can renege on his commitment--the school will be left holding the bag when it's too late to find a replacement for the kid they were planning as a key part of their season's planning.

If a kid doesn't want to play because he doesn't want to risk further injury that might affect him four months later for the pro combines, he'll sit out.

This could extend to all aspects of student life. If the scholarship player doesn't like his dorm room (and he probably already has the most luxurious dorm on campus) he'll grieve it as a part of his working conditions and be allowed to displace somebody else in another dorm room.

If a coach yells at a player, and the player doesn't like it, he can grieve it as some kind of hostile and adverse working condition. Players will be filing grievances over position changes. When a coach signals in a play that the QB doesn't like, the QB will call time, and come to the sideline and demand that his union steward be present at the conference with the coach.

Of course, this will all work very well for the type of prima donna divas that seem to be emerging among the elite of south Florida talent. I would say, let them go to Alabama or whatever in the SEC and let them destroy those programs from within with all their special demands and expectations. Of course, it might not work, since those are mainly southern right-to-work states. So they might have to agree not to sign a union card as a condition of their scholarship.

What a mess this will be....
 
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good news… the unions/federal government will insure that every offer is a four year deal with a pension. Every kid will get a salary, car and an HR rep to insure they are treated like flowers. I can't wait to see the law suite's issued for coaches raising their voices in practice. Heaven forbid a union rep witnesses a union member struggle with weights that are to heavy. We will all become fans of soccer and rugby.
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It's obvious the lefties, progressives and libs are after a manly sport like football. They've been attacking pro football for a while now and now they've found a way to undercut college football. If allowed to stand, and spread to other schools (which it will) you'll have disgruntled players calling for a strike right before a big rivalry game. The schools will pay all the money to refund ticket money, the other money invested will be lost, the TV contracts will be violated, Corso and crew will have to buy some last minute plane tickets to another venue, and they'll be so unprepared they won't even have those mascot heads or whatever it is they wear to pick that days game. It will be a fiasco.

A player will get redshirted, and file a union grievance. An arbitrator will decide if a kid who committed and wants to back out two months after signing day can renege on his commitment--the school will be left holding the bag when it's too late to find a replacement for the kid they were planning as a key part of their season's planning.

If a kid doesn't want to play because he doesn't want to risk further injury that might affect him four months later for the pro combines, he'll sit out.

This could extend to all aspects of student life. If the scholarship player doesn't like his dorm room (and he probably already has the most luxurious dorm on campus) he'll grieve it as a part of his working conditions and be allowed to displace somebody else in another dorm room.

If a coach yells at a player, and the player doesn't like it, he can grieve it as some kind of hostile and adverse working condition. Players will be filing grievances over position changes. When a coach signals in a play that the QB doesn't like, the QB will call time, and come to the sideline and demand that his union steward be present at the conference with the coach.

Of course, this will all work very well for the type of prima donna divas that seem to be emerging among the elite of south Florida talent. I would say, let them go to Alabama or whatever in the SEC and let them destroy those programs from within with all their special demands and expectations. Of course, it might not work, since those are mainly southern right-to-work states. So they might have to agree not to sign a union card as a condition of their scholarship.

What a mess this will be....

How stupid to try and turn this into a political rant. This has zero to do with politics. I know as many "righties", including some hard core righties, who have been calling for college football to be treated this way for a LONG time. The view of whether players should be paid and be treated as employees, or not, crosses various political bents.
 
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Verbal's are primarily used on underclassmen and serve as incentive to get kids to camp.

Like a coach may have watched your film or something and then will tell your head coach 'player x has an offer depdending on him coming to camp and proving x,y,z. If he camps and we like him we'll go ahead and make it official.'

Or in other instances they like a kid but not enough to offer him outright so they tell him he has an offer if he does x,y,z and improves during his senior year. The player doesn't really have an offer, but it keeps the schools in the game pending further development.
 
good news… the unions/federal government will insure that every offer is a four year deal with a pension. Every kid will get a salary, car and an HR rep to insure they are treated like flowers. I can't wait to see the law suite's issued for coaches raising their voices in practice. Heaven forbid a union rep witnesses a union member struggle with weights that are to heavy. We will all become fans of soccer and rugby.
179.jpg


It's obvious the lefties, progressives and libs are after a manly sport like football. They've been attacking pro football for a while now and now they've found a way to undercut college football. If allowed to stand, and spread to other schools (which it will) you'll have disgruntled players calling for a strike right before a big rivalry game. The schools will pay all the money to refund ticket money, the other money invested will be lost, the TV contracts will be violated, Corso and crew will have to buy some last minute plane tickets to another venue, and they'll be so unprepared they won't even have those mascot heads or whatever it is they wear to pick that days game. It will be a fiasco.

A player will get redshirted, and file a union grievance. An arbitrator will decide if a kid who committed and wants to back out two months after signing day can renege on his commitment--the school will be left holding the bag when it's too late to find a replacement for the kid they were planning as a key part of their season's planning.

If a kid doesn't want to play because he doesn't want to risk further injury that might affect him four months later for the pro combines, he'll sit out.

This could extend to all aspects of student life. If the scholarship player doesn't like his dorm room (and he probably already has the most luxurious dorm on campus) he'll grieve it as a part of his working conditions and be allowed to displace somebody else in another dorm room.

If a coach yells at a player, and the player doesn't like it, he can grieve it as some kind of hostile and adverse working condition. Players will be filing grievances over position changes. When a coach signals in a play that the QB doesn't like, the QB will call time, and come to the sideline and demand that his union steward be present at the conference with the coach.

Of course, this will all work very well for the type of prima donna divas that seem to be emerging among the elite of south Florida talent. I would say, let them go to Alabama or whatever in the SEC and let them destroy those programs from within with all their special demands and expectations. Of course, it might not work, since those are mainly southern right-to-work states. So they might have to agree not to sign a union card as a condition of their scholarship.

What a mess this will be....

How stupid to try and turn this into a political rant. This has zero to do with politics. I know as many "righties", including some hard core righties, who have been calling for college football to be treated this way for a LONG time. The view of whether players should be paid and be treated as employees, or not, crosses various political bents.
how foolish of you not to see this as political. If you believe this is about fair trade you are not paying attention. AND….. wait until the other half gets involved! The IRS is going to want its money too. lol If you think an employee can get a 200,000$ education, food, housing, tutoring, plane tickets, hotel stays, a salary, ect and its all or some portion of it is not taxable… lol you sir need to open your eyes. Don't worry your Government and local union rep has you and your families best interest in mind. For government once that union employee gets paid the tax the schools DO NOT pay on certain revenue streams will be redistributed and become taxable. This is not and will NEVER BE ABOUT THE KIDS. It is about redistributing wealth and insuring the government gets MORE. Wake up Do not fear their is an attorney, accountant, congressman and some other very smart people working much harder than you to make sure everyone (lol) gets theirs. You might want to google about the last NFL and NHL union deals. The players got destroyed, the owners got more money and the unions grew their share. This is big boy time…. children and stupid adults line up in the back. Guessing you thought the health care was going to be free?
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good news… the unions/federal government will insure that every offer is a four year deal with a pension. Every kid will get a salary, car and an HR rep to insure they are treated like flowers. I can't wait to see the law suite's issued for coaches raising their voices in practice. Heaven forbid a union rep witnesses a union member struggle with weights that are to heavy. We will all become fans of soccer and rugby.
179.jpg


It's obvious the lefties, progressives and libs are after a manly sport like football. They've been attacking pro football for a while now and now they've found a way to undercut college football. If allowed to stand, and spread to other schools (which it will) you'll have disgruntled players calling for a strike right before a big rivalry game. The schools will pay all the money to refund ticket money, the other money invested will be lost, the TV contracts will be violated, Corso and crew will have to buy some last minute plane tickets to another venue, and they'll be so unprepared they won't even have those mascot heads or whatever it is they wear to pick that days game. It will be a fiasco.

A player will get redshirted, and file a union grievance. An arbitrator will decide if a kid who committed and wants to back out two months after signing day can renege on his commitment--the school will be left holding the bag when it's too late to find a replacement for the kid they were planning as a key part of their season's planning.

If a kid doesn't want to play because he doesn't want to risk further injury that might affect him four months later for the pro combines, he'll sit out.

This could extend to all aspects of student life. If the scholarship player doesn't like his dorm room (and he probably already has the most luxurious dorm on campus) he'll grieve it as a part of his working conditions and be allowed to displace somebody else in another dorm room.

If a coach yells at a player, and the player doesn't like it, he can grieve it as some kind of hostile and adverse working condition. Players will be filing grievances over position changes. When a coach signals in a play that the QB doesn't like, the QB will call time, and come to the sideline and demand that his union steward be present at the conference with the coach.

Of course, this will all work very well for the type of prima donna divas that seem to be emerging among the elite of south Florida talent. I would say, let them go to Alabama or whatever in the SEC and let them destroy those programs from within with all their special demands and expectations. Of course, it might not work, since those are mainly southern right-to-work states. So they might have to agree not to sign a union card as a condition of their scholarship.

What a mess this will be....

How stupid to try and turn this into a political rant. This has zero to do with politics. I know as many "righties", including some hard core righties, who have been calling for college football to be treated this way for a LONG time. The view of whether players should be paid and be treated as employees, or not, crosses various political bents.

Sorry you don't like my "political rant." Actually, I've seen over the past year or so how politics and stuff extraneous to the sport have entered the picture and a lot of it is just the latest progressive cause--they seem to jump from one to another, they've got this attitude they have to fix everything.

I see it because I see the attacks on the Redskins living here in D.C. Dam, they've had the name for 70 or 80 years, let it be. For all those years, up until now, nobody was offended? How come all of a sudden people are upset? I happen to read the "progressive" press, especially Huffington Post and others and see all of a sudden how much football is under attack from the people on that side of the spectrum, especially over concussions. If you don't want concussions or other injuries don't play football.

I happened to come from the left am still a registered Democrat, and used to work in the labor movement. I've seen too much that's not good with the labor movement and I certainly think major college football is no place for a labor union. My post was tongue in cheek, but wait 'til some of the things I joked about begin to happen, including strikes, work slowdowns, grievances, etc. It will be a disaster. I'm basically in favor of workers being empowered to organize but not college athletes. College athletics is, and has to be, basically a top-down, authoritarian structure. It's not a workforce at an industrial plant, it's more like the military. Don't accuse me of injecting politics, it has become politics because of what has been happening. This NLRB action--which might later be overturned--is the latest injection of leftist politics into an area where it has no business. Now, if the NCAA and its member schools want to reform the system and bring some reasonable compensation for athletes and other benefits including perhaps lifetime coverage of injuries sustained in college sports, that is a great idea.
 
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