How'd we get here?

[miamiphd]

UM saga is similar to USC, although USC had a longer tradition of football greatness. USC went to consecutive National Title games in the 2000s, won one and lost one. Similar to the team Butch built. Like Butch, Pete Carroll went to the NFL, although he managed to stay there a lot longer than Butch. USC hasn't been the same since Carroll left despite big hires at HC and annual claims that USC is a contender. The UM and USC patterns seem similar.

It could be that private universities can no longer compete in football at a championship level. I remember SMU with ****erson as a contender. The team has never recovered from the death penalty after all these years. TCU has had recent success, but I doubt it will last. Tuition-dependent private universities don't have the money to compete with publicly funded flagship universities. Of the three big men's sports, football is by far the most expensive. Could be that schools like UM and USC don't have the money to compete, especially after shelling out so much money for the big name HCs. Perhaps their only hope is to catch lightening in a bottle for a couple years with a young, unknown HC. Isn't that what UM tried to do with Golden? Were it not for his loyalty to a terrible DC, he might have worked out.

 

[flagator86]

Once the mediocrity becomes endemic, it gets harder to escape with each passing season. The names change, the results stay the same.

Yep!! Once Miami decided they had to “clean up their image” and Florida wanted to become the “Harvard of the South” it was a wrap for both of us. People really don’t realize how much it starts at the top

 

[skydogcane6]

“The pride and tradition of the Miami hurricanes shall not be entrusted to the timid or the week”.

Tommy Moffit

The timid and the week ran out anybody that wasn’t. What remained was a spineless bunch of suits that wanted to ride the wave notoriety that came from the football program but were jealous and envious of it. They were also weary of it.
They hated the football team for shining any negativity towards the school and hence content with mediocrity.

A strong minded strong willed school president and AD would’ve easily continued the success we had.
Every kid from key west to Alaska wanted to be a cane. And every kid in the state was a lock. When the school settled for mediocrity the football program was disrupted to the foundation.

Getting back requires a lot and it was gonna be painful. Thinking that it wasn’t because Duke and unc won some games was short sighted.
Wake was killing it a few years ago and they suck today.
This is more than a rebuild. It’s a **** tear down.

Everyone should read this because this nails it. The football program was wildly successful because of the local talent at the time. Period. If the university was anywhere else I doubt you see the success that it had. No, not every player was from here and yes we had legendary coaching but it was all spearheaded by the acquisition of the local talent we have/had here.

Many of the higher ups viewed themselves as more important than they were, and the success of the football program likely rubbed them the wrong way. They were soft, weak minded people who were lucky to even be known because of their affiliation to the school that’s brand had gone global due to the program’s success. There is great people at the University, but it’s also had its fair share of Doug Neidermeyer’s who really play up the fact that they’re high up at a globally known private institution. They were snobby and entitled and thought they were better than those people at state/public schools. Think the nerdy theater geeks from school who now are in positions of power. Very similar to politicians.

The LSU’s, Alabama’s, and OSU’s of the world are all on the same page. Their football teams being bad are an embarrassment to the school, their donors, their alumni, and **** their states/communities. Anything but the best is not accepted. They’re perfectly aligned. **** their school Presidents likely grew up diehard fans of their teams. Their school’s athletic success was probably a main reason they fell in love with the school and the job in the first place. They understand that academic success and athletic success don’t have to be mutually exclusive. And if they don’t? Well guess what they ain’t getting hired. More so, they know that the money from successful athletics in the cash cow that is college football can do great things for every part of their institution. It trickles down.

So, while those schools were doing what they needed to meet those expectations via funding/building networks for the arms race that is CFB, Miami was busy trying to make itself the Vanderbilt of Florida.

From there you just have a cycle of failure. Best players don’t see the investment here that they do elsewhere so they don’t come here —-> football begins losing —> fans don’t show up —> less money and losses lead to justification of less investment —> best players don’t come here —> lose more , etc. you get the picture but just do that over and over for around 2 decades and you got a deep hole to dig yourself out of.

I just want to see an administration that embraces the football team. They basically turned their backs on a program that had done so much for the school, and I think it really made the local community feel alienated because that’s really the only connection most Miamians have to the school. The athletics. And that’s fine! But just know that and treat that with respect.

Embrace its history. Embrace its attitude. Let it connect with the community. Let it be Miami.

Hopefully that is changing

 

[miamicanephins]

Yep!! Once Miami decided they had to “clean up their image” and Florida wanted to become the “Harvard of the South” it was a wrap for both of us. People really don’t realize how much it starts at the top

only at the university of Miami does the BOT/his buddies hire the coach first (because they have so much experience doing so,) THEN they decide to hire the AD. And after that mind blowing display in leadership, they give him a 10 year contract. So you end up with a corch who can make the dumbest decisions in the history of football and keep his job because the AD is basically powerless.

 

[numbers]

Wanting to be the "Stanford of the East" meant football didn't matter. Say what you will about Mario, but the school has largely given him a blank check and is finally investing in football (and really athletics in general) at a much higher level. Not sure just any coach would have gotten that commitment. Hope we have some success before the empty suits decide it wasn't worth it and go back to underfunding stuff.

 

[drewm3i]

Obviously the 80’s there was none. Hence we got the best players in the country.

Butch came in when the internet Started. But dial up modem. Inner city probably didn’t have.

Being south Florida and having the best kids, information was local. Just like guys dating today, have to compete with the world for woman because of dating apps and instagram. In the 80’s you just had to be the best guy in your city.

South Florida was closed to most. No recruiting apps. Just a magazine. Blue chip. Miami held all the cards.

Info is now world wide and instant. We lost our fence.

See baseball cards. Internet killed that too. Before could only get at local card store. Now while county is open. Prices dropped immensely. I’ll guess grading cards came some time after internet.

This was true for around 2010. Now, SoFla just isn't special for football.

 

[Hurricane23]

Obviously the 80’s there was none. Hence we got the best players in the country.

Butch came in when the internet Started. But dial up modem. Inner city probably didn’t have.

Being south Florida and having the best kids, information was local. Just like guys dating today, have to compete with the world for woman because of dating apps and instagram. In the 80’s you just had to be the best guy in your city.

South Florida was closed to most. No recruiting apps. Just a magazine. Blue chip. Miami held all the cards.

Info is now world wide and instant. We lost our fence.

See baseball cards. Internet killed that too. Before could only get at local card store. Now while county is open. Prices dropped immensely. I’ll guess grading cards came some time after internet.

This actually makes a lot of sense

 

[305to954]

Someone makes this post Every. Single. Holiday. Season

 

[Tempest]

We have a hall of fame basketball coach. We’ve had giant **** sandwiches for football coaches.

 

[Bird4um]

This actually makes a lot of sense

Thanks. It’s my philosophy anyway. It checks all the boxes as to why our rise and fall.

We can return. Just have to be really smart or really lucky.

 

[skydogcane6]

Obviously the 80’s there was none. Hence we got the best players in the country.

Butch came in when the internet Started. But dial up modem. Inner city probably didn’t have.

Being south Florida and having the best kids, information was local. Just like guys dating today, have to compete with the world for woman because of dating apps and instagram. In the 80’s you just had to be the best guy in your city.

South Florida was closed to most. No recruiting apps. Just a magazine. Blue chip. Miami held all the cards.

Info is now world wide and instant. We lost our fence.

See baseball cards. Internet killed that too. Before could only get at local card store. Now while county is open. Prices dropped immensely. I’ll guess grading cards came some time after internet.

This is also a great point that I’ve thought about as well but couldn’t really articulate like you did. Because of the access of information, the world isn’t as scary anymore. Leaving home is almost encouraged. Back in the day I think it was easier to sell S Florida to S Florida recruits with little to no competition.

 

[Bird4um]

This is also a great point that I’ve thought about as well but couldn’t really articulate like you did. Because of the access of information, the world isn’t as scary anymore. Leaving home is almost encouraged. Back in the day I think it was easier to sell S Florida to S Florida recruits with little to no competition.

True. You only saw Alabama in a magazine. Or called with a land line. Almost no access to other schools.

 

[423Hurricane]

Everyone should read this because this nails it. The football program was wildly successful because of the local talent at the time. Period. If the university was anywhere else I doubt you see the success that it had. No, not every player was from here and yes we had legendary coaching but it was all spearheaded by the acquisition of the local talent we have/had here.

Many of the higher ups viewed themselves as more important than they were, and the success of the football program likely rubbed them the wrong way. They were soft, weak minded people who were lucky to even be known because of their affiliation to the school that’s brand had gone global due to the program’s success. There is great people at the University, but it’s also had its fair share of Doug Neidermeyer’s who really play up the fact that they’re high up at a globally known private institution. They were snobby and entitled and thought they were better than those people at state/public schools. Think the nerdy theater geeks from school who now are in positions of power. Very similar to politicians.

The LSU’s, Alabama’s, and OSU’s of the world are all on the same page. Their football teams being bad are an embarrassment to the school, their donors, their alumni, and **** their states/communities. Anything but the best is not accepted. They’re perfectly aligned. **** their school Presidents likely grew up diehard fans of their teams. Their school’s athletic success was probably a main reason they fell in love with the school and the job in the first place. They understand that academic success and athletic success don’t have to be mutually exclusive. And if they don’t? Well guess what they ain’t getting hired. More so, they know that the money from successful athletics in the cash cow that is college football can do great things for every part of their institution. It trickles down.

So, while those schools were doing what they needed to meet those expectations via funding/building networks for the arms race that is CFB, Miami was busy trying to make itself the Vanderbilt of Florida.

From there you just have a cycle of failure. Best players don’t see the investment here that they do elsewhere so they don’t come here —-> football begins losing —> fans don’t show up —> less money and losses lead to justification of less investment —> best players don’t come here —> lose more , etc. you get the picture but just do that over and over for around 2 decades and you got a deep hole to dig yourself out of.

I just want to see an administration that embraces the football team. They basically turned their backs on a program that had done so much for the school, and I think it really made the local community feel alienated because that’s really the only connection most Miamians have to the school. The athletics. And that’s fine! But just know that and treat that with respect.

Embrace its history. Embrace its attitude. Let it connect with the community. Let it be Miami.

Hopefully that is changing

What many of today’s Miami “ fans” fail to realize is that the football national championships were a fluke and only happened because of what Schnelly did. And that was taking the CFB world by surprise.

It’s also overlooked that there was a 10 year gap between #4 and 5 NC’s due in large part to the Shapiro scandal. That scandal had a more profound affect on the football program, and the university in general, than many realize and drove the powers that be to become ambivalent towards the the football program.

While Miami’s football program floundered because of an abundance of incompetent decisions and scandals, other programs changed with the times leaving Miami in their tracks returning it to the nobodies they were before 1983. Miami didn’t have the history or the resources to recover.

Supposedly, Miami is now investing in the football program trying to catch up to the “blue bloods” that have decades of a head start. Expecting immediate results in year 2 of Mario’s tenure is asinine considering the Mount Everest climb it will now take due to the lack of commitment to the football program since 1926.

Can/will Mario be able to return Miami to it’s short lived glory? I believe the juries still out. Time will certainly tell. And the natives are restless.

 

[Hurricane23]

Thanks. It’s my philosophy anyway. It checks all the boxes as to why our rise and fall.

We can return. Just have to be really smart or really lucky.

It’ll take a little of both, we still get talent. We just haven’t been able to capitalize, we’ve had well enough talent to be competitive in the ACC

 

[numbers]

What many of today’s Miami “ fans” fail to realize is that the football national championships were a fluke and only happened because of what Schnelly did. And that was taking the CFB world by surprise.

It’s also overlooked that there was a 10 year gap between #4 and 5 NC’s due in large part to the Shapiro scandal. That scandal had a more profound affect on the football program, and the university in general, than many realize and drove the powers that be to become ambivalent towards the the football program.

While Miami’s football program floundered because of an abundance of incompetent decisions and scandals, other programs changed with the times leaving Miami in their tracks returning it to the nobodies they were before 1983. Miami didn’t have the history or the resources to recover.

Supposedly, Miami is now investing in the football program trying to catch up to the “blue bloods” that have decades of a head start. Expecting immediate results in year 2 of Mario’s tenure is asinine considering the Mount Everest climb it will now take due to the lack of commitment to the football program since 1926.

Can/will Mario be able to return Miami to it’s short lived glory? I believe the juries still out. Time will certainly tell. And the natives are restless.

The gap in #4 and 5 wasn't shapiro. That came 15 or so years later. The probation in the 90's was financial aid/pell grant related.

 

[Hurracanes]

 

[Jonnyblaze]

Have to hire the right coach. Period.

Bama was trash. Enter Saban.
OU was trash. Enter Stoops.
USC was trash. Enter Carroll.
Texas was trash. Enter Brown….kinda.
OSU couldn’t get over the hump. Enter Tressel
UGA couldn’t get over the hump. Enter Smart.

For years we couldn’t get a top coach because Miami wouldn’t spend top dollar. Now that’s not the case. Jury is still out on Mario.

 

[sccane92]

Someone makes this post Every. Single. Holiday. Season

Because we usually fall of a cliff in November.

 

[simplycanes]

Yep!! Once Miami decided they had to “clean up their image” and Florida wanted to become the “Harvard of the South” it was a wrap for both of us. People really don’t realize how much it starts at the top

You have a refreshingly honest perspective for a Gator fan. Nearly all of your brethren act like Urban Meyer just resigned last week. It's OK, half this board still thinks Butch is available.

 

[305to954]

Because we usually fall of a cliff in November.

That’s way you gotta keep recruiting tho..but our SR QB went heywire during conference play lol..never seen anything like in my lifetime. He single handily cost games..year 2 8 win szn..stack classes & let’s see