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As a Cane kid growing up in the great state of North Florida, I'd ask my dad about this time every year: "When is Miami gonna get a basketball team?"

To which he'd more or less reply "I don't know son. Maybe they just like football and baseball down there."

Made sense, I guess.

In those 14 years the Canes didn't have a basketball program, we won our first National Championship in football and laid the dynasty groundwork for four more. The baseball program was arguably the most consistent in the country, winning two National Championships and reaching the CWS eight times.

Now flash forward four decades.

The basketball team is ranked No. 10. We made the Final Four last year. We've been to the Sweet 16 four times since 2013 while thriving in arguably the most competitive and tradition-rich conference in college hoops.

Meanwhile, in football since 2006 we've had zero finishes in the AP Top 10 and only four in the Top 20. We haven't come close to winning a conference title in perhaps the weakest Power 5 conference.

The baseball program hasn't been to the CWS in 2016 and seems to have lost its way.

As a lifelong UM fan dating back to the mid-70's, the whole dynamic of "what was" and "what is" feels unfathomable: An elite basketball program, while football and baseball just piddle around? How the heck did we even get here?

Is it really just as simple as hiring the right coach while giving him time and support to build something special?

Or are there other factors just as or even more important that have determined the respective trajectories of these three programs?
 
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what's really funny is- my freshman year at UM was 2012-2013. the basketball team reached #2 in the nation, beat the brakes off of UNC and duke, and made the sweet 16, while the football team was mired in al golden mediocrity. the only thing i've ever known as a miami fan is the basketball team being good and the football team sucking lol.
 
Hold My Beer said:
As a Cane kid growing up in the great state of North Florida, I'd ask my dad about this time every year: "When is Miami gonna get a basketball team?"

To which he'd more or less reply "I don't know son. Maybe they just like football and baseball down there."

Made sense, I guess.

In those 14 years the Canes didn't have a basketball program, we won our first National Championship in football and laid the dynasty groundwork for four more. The baseball program was arguably the most consistent in the country, winning two National Championships and reaching the CWS eight times.

Now flash forward four decades.

The basketball team is ranked No. 10. We made the Final Four last year. We've been to the Sweet 16 four times since 2013 while thriving in arguably the most competitive and tradition-rich conference in college hoops.

Meanwhile, in football since 2006 we've had zero finishes in the AP Top 10 and only four in the Top 20. We haven't come close to winning a conference title in perhaps the weakest Power 5 conference.

The baseball program hasn't been to the CWS in 2016 and seems to have lost its way.

As a lifelong UM fan dating back to the mid-70's, the whole dynamic of "what was" and "what is" feels unfathomable: An elite basketball program, while football and baseball just piddle around? How the heck did we even get here?

Is it really just as simple as hiring the right coach while giving him time and support to build something special?

Or are there other factors just as or even more important that have determined the respective trajectories of these three programs?
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Bill Gates and the WEF hate Miami it’s all global plan to kill Miami
 
Obviously the 80’s there was none. Hence we got the best players in the country.

Butch came in when the internet Started. But dial up modem. Inner city probably didn’t have.

Being south Florida and having the best kids, information was local. Just like guys dating today, have to compete with the world for woman because of dating apps and instagram. In the 80’s you just had to be the best guy in your city.

South Florida was closed to most. No recruiting apps. Just a magazine. Blue chip. Miami held all the cards.

Info is now world wide and instant. We lost our fence.

See baseball cards. Internet killed that too. Before could only get at local card store. Now while county is open. Prices dropped immensely. I’ll guess grading cards came some time after internet.
 
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It has affected the big three. They used to get our leftovers and there were always plenty.

Now you have to have the best coach with the best QB to win. See Meyer and Tebow and Fischer and Winston.
 
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We won a football NC and the college World Series in 2001 and there was hardly a mention of it.

I don’t follow the baseball program much so I can’t speak on that, but the issues with the football program have been discussed and debated on here and many other sites endlessly with as many opinions and perspectives as the number of people with them.

It’s been like a perfect storm concerning the downfall of the football program. There are countless reasons for it’s demise but most notably not keeping up with the CFB changing landscape and bad decisions by those in charge.

The success of the football program in the 80’s and 90’s was an anomaly. We hadn’t had the kind of success since the first year of the football program in 1926. Being so unfamiliar with success, maybe the football program, and the university for that matter, was unprepared to handle that success.

The “blue blood” programs - Michigan, Alabama, Notre Dame to name a few - had success for years and knew how to handle it. Programs with long histories of success thus huge fanbases, deep pockets, and systems in place for continued success.
 
Hold My Beer said:
As a Cane kid growing up in the great state of North Florida, I'd ask my dad about this time every year: "When is Miami gonna get a basketball team?"

To which he'd more or less reply "I don't know son. Maybe they just like football and baseball down there."

Made sense, I guess.

In those 14 years the Canes didn't have a basketball program, we won our first National Championship in football and laid the dynasty groundwork for four more. The baseball program was arguably the most consistent in the country, winning two National Championships and reaching the CWS eight times.

Now flash forward four decades.

The basketball team is ranked No. 10. We made the Final Four last year. We've been to the Sweet 16 four times since 2013 while thriving in arguably the most competitive and tradition-rich conference in college hoops.

Meanwhile, in football since 2006 we've had zero finishes in the AP Top 10 and only four in the Top 20. We haven't come close to winning a conference title in perhaps the weakest Power 5 conference.

The baseball program hasn't been to the CWS in 2016 and seems to have lost its way.

As a lifelong UM fan dating back to the mid-70's, the whole dynamic of "what was" and "what is" feels unfathomable: An elite basketball program, while football and baseball just piddle around? How the heck did we even get here?

Is it really just as simple as hiring the right coach while giving him time and support to build something special?

Or are there other factors just as or even more important that have determined the respective trajectories of these three programs?
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I just used waze
 
Michigan st. And Auburn figured something out back then. They had a pipeline from Dillard with Lo white and hickson.

Bostic and someone in the DB ended up at Auburn. Had a good run.
 
“The pride and tradition of the Miami hurricanes shall not be entrusted to the timid or the week”.

Tommy Moffit

The timid and the week ran out anybody that wasn’t. What remained was a spineless bunch of suits that wanted to ride the wave notoriety that came from the football program but were jealous and envious of it. They were also weary of it.
They hated the football team for shining any negativity towards the school and hence content with mediocrity.

A strong minded strong willed school president and AD would’ve easily continued the success we had.
Every kid from key west to Alaska wanted to be a cane. And every kid in the state was a lock. When the school settled for mediocrity the football program was disrupted to the foundation.

Getting back requires a lot and it was gonna be painful. Thinking that it wasn’t because Duke and unc won some games was short sighted.
Wake was killing it a few years ago and they suck today.
This is more than a rebuild. It’s a **** tear down.
 
To me - Shalala and the hiring of Randy Shannon.

I could understand the school elevating Coker as the OC to HC. We won a lot with him despite a lot of his weaknesses being ignored.

After the Butch foundation started collapsing and they fired Coker the school pivoted to another assistant on the same staff that was never a head coach before, AGAIN!

That started the down fall which then load to Golden and really not caring and understanding the frame work and infrastructure needed to really have a successful program and entrusting it to people without the proper experience required (Shannon, Golden and Diaz).
 
Same thing that happened with UF….an athletic department that treated hiring coaches like Miami/UF are Iowa State status and not the powerhouses they are. When you hire coaches who are CLEARLY unprepared and under qualified….you arrive where both schools are at…muddled in mediocrity.
 
Hold My Beer said:
As a Cane kid growing up in the great state of North Florida, I'd ask my dad about this time every year: "When is Miami gonna get a basketball team?"

To which he'd more or less reply "I don't know son. Maybe they just like football and baseball down there."

Made sense, I guess.

In those 14 years the Canes didn't have a basketball program, we won our first National Championship in football and laid the dynasty groundwork for four more. The baseball program was arguably the most consistent in the country, winning two National Championships and reaching the CWS eight times.

Now flash forward four decades.

The basketball team is ranked No. 10. We made the Final Four last year. We've been to the Sweet 16 four times since 2013 while thriving in arguably the most competitive and tradition-rich conference in college hoops.

Meanwhile, in football since 2006 we've had zero finishes in the AP Top 10 and only four in the Top 20. We haven't come close to winning a conference title in perhaps the weakest Power 5 conference.

The baseball program hasn't been to the CWS in 2016 and seems to have lost its way.

As a lifelong UM fan dating back to the mid-70's, the whole dynamic of "what was" and "what is" feels unfathomable: An elite basketball program, while football and baseball just piddle around? How the heck did we even get here?

Is it really just as simple as hiring the right coach while giving him time and support to build something special?

Or are there other factors just as or even more important that have determined the respective trajectories of these three programs?
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Please buy one of these. I'll get you the plutonium. Go back to 1975 or whenever and slap your young self prior to asking your dad that question. Slap hard. Prevent the question for the future past so you never ask it. Clearly you jinxed the program.

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DONNA SHALALA.

She never invested in the football program and ruined the school by allowing cheap *** hires.

It is 100% her fault. 4 or 5 bad hires later this is what you are left with. We are the Tennnessee of the South.
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No food program for starters. Kids under Shannon were getting their meals from McDonalds. No wonder we saw players deteriorating from when they arrived to when they left.
 
flagator86 said:
Same thing that happened with UF….an athletic department that treated hiring coaches like Miami/UF are Iowa State status and not the powerhouses they are. When you hire coaches who are CLEARLY unprepared and under qualified….you arrive where both schools are at…muddled in mediocrity.
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Once the mediocrity becomes endemic, it gets harder to escape with each passing season. The names change, the results stay the same.
 
How much of baseball comes down to cost of attendance and not being able to provide full scholarships for baseball? Miami is a very expensive school and I can see a of kids that may want to go to Miami for baseball saying 'nah, I can't afford that'.
 
Its all about the right coach.

How was miami at basketball before coach L?

What was jimmy Johnson known for?

Now. Golden, manny, Shannon, mario. Do any of those give a advantage on either side of the ball??? **** no.


Thats why I wanted kiffin. Give me a coach that is great on 1 side of the ball.
 
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