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How is it N.C. RB Antonio Williams didn't have to sit out a year?

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Kids have to be accountable, and the rule needs to be modified a bit. But just because a kid's buried on the bench and he's not happy about it, there should be a penalty (sit out 1 year) if he wants to transfer. Now on the other hand, if a coach leaves, the players should have window to transfer to a new school without being penalized. They should have a window to try and adjust to the new staff, and if they're not comfortable they should be able to transfer without having to sit.


cowboycane said:
Highly unlikely this happens. Maybe a kid here and there but doesn't check out to me at any sort of scale. Most of the time kids who transfer are seeking playing time, which isn't easy at Alabama...unless you think they are going to stop signing the number one class every year. More likely benefits programs like West Virginia that are already heavily reliant upon the transfer market.



Alabama, Ohio State and Clemson are in the playoff pretty much every year currently. That's how college football works. There are always 8-10 teams with a realistic shot of making a run at the championship, and most of them are the same year in and year out.

I would actually argue the other way...this would break up the monopoly on talent these teams have a little bit. Right now, if you're a sophomore playing backup minutes at Alabama or Ohio State, you have a choice: ride it out and hope they don't recruit over the top of you next year OR transfer and sit out a year, which puts you one year further away from potentially turning pro and making money.

Or what if you're a pocket QB and your coach bails and gets replaced by a coach who wants a threat to run? Why should that kid have to sit out a year if he wants to go to a school with a coach that actually likes him?

Get rid of the one year penalty and you increase the flow of some of that high end talent to other programs.
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If a kid wants to start as a Freshman and is talented enough, they should consider going to a smaller school. Seriously, with the exposure all these schools get it really doesn't matter where they play (Josh Allen-UWy , Marcus Davenport-UTSA, Mike Hughes-CFU, Will Hernandez-UTEP, Dallas Goedert-SDSU, PJ Hall-SHSU) all these kids were 1st or 2nd round picks
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
In your example, the “recruiting” of a “Wentz” would free up a “Tua” or any of the other 5*’s who have transferred from Alabama in the past. Fromm freed up a 5* and if Kirby hands the reigns to Fields it will free up another 5*. To me, that’s the way it should be.

Plus, those are bad examples because they were first round draft picks; their school choice didn’t negatively affect their draft stock/economic opportunity - which is reason enough for a late-blooming athlete who has blossomed to leave a G5, imo.
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No it would free up a player like Hurts because Alabama wouldn't really push too hard for a Wentz with Tua in play. It would ruin every non Power-5 team and every small Power 5 team. Kentucky had a great year, you bet that teams that are "football powerhouses" that have a void in a certain position will raid that team. What would occur is super teams.

And my example does work because you are thinking with hindsight. I'm sure Wentz going into his Redshirt Senior year was having doubts that he was going to be a 1st round pick because of the competition he was playing. I don't know about him personally, but I'm sure many players in that situation would take an opportunity from a big school, especially if they offer incentives. All you heard in the media is yeah he is good, but is it because of the competition he is playing?

Why would anyone want recruiting season every off-season? That is what it would turn into.

Great we just signed a 5 star Runningback!
Oh man he needs to improve his blocking so he is 4th string. Welp, let's see where he ends up this summer.

A smaller school: Wow we had a great year, our QB is awesome
A Big school: Come play for so-and-so and get exposure, chance for championships, money, and fill our whole at QB

High school recruiting would almost turn useless. All of a sudden a team has a bad year, and their whole squad wants to transfer out. It would be terrible.
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
Your first paragraph: that wouldn’t work. If Alabama brought in a Wentz, or even a Mayfield it’s more than likely that a Tua would have left (something Tua mentioned he thought about last year) or Hurts or both ... or maybe for some crazy reason Wentz doesn’t start. Kentucky lost their top recruit to Miami and is probably the surprise of the SEC this year already having beaten UF and MSU. Your Kentucky example doesn’t hold because there are few people on Kentucky that Bama or Georgia or Clemson feel that they need. And, Miami’s recruiting coup has lead to few, if any, meaningful snaps.

Paragraph 2: so what. Shea Patterson was supposed to be the key for Michigan. So far ... meh. Few QB1 picks would try to learn a new system the year before they get drafted first round but even if they did ... it wouldn’t upset the “balance” of college football. There is no balance; it’s not a communist system - that’s left for the capitalists of the NFL. LOL.

For every kid that has to “sit” to learn how to block there is another 5* racking up the yards and that just becomes the whole in his draft profile (not too different from all the freshman P5 QBs starting elsewhere while Miami’s freshman QBs have to redshirt/apprentice.

You’re being hysterical by lamenting the impending death of high school recruiting; labeling it “useless”. Extreme. There will be some high profile changes from time to time, but for the most part football is going to look mostly like it did before the changes.
All your examples treat student-athletes like assets. They’re students. They should make their own choices whether they’re good or bad.
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I'm trying to see it from your point of view, but I just can't. This would just cause super teams. Let's say Tua leaves he will leave to another top team like Auburn or Michigan, he wouldn't go JUCO or to a small school because these top teams would need QBs and he doesn't have to sit out a year. Then Patterson would have to leave as well and you're just causing a carousel is that what you want? If you think it is bad now wait till then.

But the other point you are missing is player development. You are currently looking at it as the only people that will suffer are some schools and the players get a win-win. But what about the countless players that take time to develop into good players. For example a Braxton Berrios, he didn't really reach his potential till his senior year. With all these transfers coming in players need to go out. Now coaches don't have time to develop you and let you grow, they will need you to play now or they can easily find someone that can. And guess what when you do develop in your junior year they will be knocking at your door. And then with Braxton gone to develop at an FCS or non-Power 5, he doesn't get the resources and mentally he is greatly effected and could never makes the NFL.

Saban wouldn't need to recruit high school for offensive line, defensive line, or quarterback. Any position that usually takes time to really learn the college game and develop, they can just get a junior or senior transfer from another school that is proven. Then when those high school recruits turn into Juniors he can recruit them.

Students don't have too much of a choice when huge money is involved. That can be straight up with boosters or when a coach tells you how much better for your draft stock it will be to be in national championship talk and on TV. Look at all the NFL busts that get drafted because they were a part of a powerhouse college. They wouldn't get drafted from a smaller school and would still bust out, but they wouldn't get that rookie deal.

Yes, this is all a little exaggerated, but it is definitely possible. Even people that start at a Power 5 like Duke or North Carolina, if they get offered by Alabama 100k and told they will be the starter there as well, over 80% would say yes especially if it is just for 1 or 2 years.

I don't know, I'm just rambling now, but if you think students athletes are treated like assets and numbers now, imagine if there was this type of free agency.
 
I could see power teams raiding players like OL and DL, especially DT’s once the other school they play for had spent the time and resources into said development only to lose those players to the power teams. It would create no need to do HS recruiting when all you have to do is raid other P5 schools for their developed players. Why go the route of a HS frosh coming in when you can always get a seasone brick house player from another school who’s already proven he can play big time college football. Then if you’re talking about adding bags via boosters to the mix, that just amps up the departures from other schools to these power teams. It would be free agency without any parameters to keep it in check. I don’t see how this would benefit collegiate athletics one bit; in fact, it would only create minority strong teams, while the vast majority of college football would suffer, bringing the overall viewing product down.
 
***** DJ Johnson, if I recall he personally sent his tapes to the Coaches. He knew how deep the Dline was and may have to redshirt at some point. The kid had over 100 offers & chose UM!!! He shouldn't be granted a Hardship Waiver just because his position coach left. Now had the whole staff been replaced it's understandable. He said he was leaving due to family matters but Eugene is still a 3 hour flight from Sacramento, if he was so concerned about the family there are schools a lot closer.
What about the effect it has the team? That's one less Dlinemen we have and have to recruit more for the upcoming season.



Players have already started jumping ship and the sport is still intact (Oklahoma State WR Jalen McCleskey most accomplished player yet to utilize new redshirt rule ). Not knowing the exact reasons … but I’m beginning to think DJ Johnson made the right choice at that time - not knowing that Kul was jumping to Alabama...without having to sit out from his coaching job. Everyone raved about Kuligowski but there is no way an engaged coach could simultaneously NOT recruit any new athletes, while letting his best athletes try their hand at the NFL -though unprepared- and manage to drive away his highest recruited athlete. And, if we’re being real DJ Johnson AND Garvin fell into Kul’s lap. He saw the “adversity” and bounced. Smart kid.

Playing time, or the lacktherof, is a perfectly good reason for a student to transfer. About 10 years ago I read that the #1 reason kids transferred from schools in the south was because they didn’t get into the fraternity/sorority. Let student-athletes have the same agency over their decisions as any other student.[/QUOTE]
 
cowboycane said:
They should get rid of the dumbass rule and not make anyone sit out.
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Its not Florida HS football......if they commit then they should have to sit out....or pay full tuition and board back for the year(s)

Otherwise you wouldnt have kids stay at one school..they would be jumping every season
 
We should have a rule that posters that transfer from other boards have to sit out before they can post. Make this board more selective, so it can be like the Ivy League of boards. Now anybody (or almost anybody) gets in and posts right away. It's like a JUCO board. (Sorry in advance, no offense to any JUCO guys I might offend).

This might eliminate people like that Dan Sileo the Second **** who was a fraudster who led us to to believe we were getting Tyson Campbell.

If the transfer poster has to sit out, they can be given a practice board which they can practice on while they get better and practice on their posts while getting acclimated to how we do things here.

We need to take this board to a higher level.
 
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